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Donnerberg posted:I can't speak for other posters, but it isn't about talent to me. It's about what's come out of Valve. They help indies with fantastic ideas get their project out under the Valve name, and they hit with sequels that stay close to what came before. A VR Half-Life sequel is to my understanding neither of those two things, so I liken it to Artifact and Condition Zero until we get an indication otherwise. Half Life 2 doesn't fit that criteria either though.
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stev posted:Half Life 2 doesn't fit that criteria either though. Was is that different from the first? I haven't played it in ages, and video games might as well have been magic back then, so when you say that, I don't trust my memory.
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Donnerberg posted:Was is that different from the first? I haven't played it in ages, and video games might as well have been magic back then, so when you say that, I don't trust my memory. Yeah I'd say it was pretty different given its massive focus on physics etc.
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Yeah, fair enough. That was a gamble. Imagine if we didn't enjoy stacking boxes?
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Donnerberg posted:Yeah, fair enough. That was a gamble. Imagine if we didn't enjoy stacking boxes?
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HL1 was still a substantial step forward in interactivity for FPSes IIRC. E.g. crates that didn't exist in a simple binary state of [intact]/[destroyed], but could instead be partially destroyed, breaking off pieces at a time with your crowbar This HN comment explains it well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21574810 quote:Half-Life 1’s “thing” is sort of like Breath of the Wild’s “thing”: every object in the game has physical attributes, and these physical attributes can cause the sim to emit signals from particular objects that interact with other sim objects through general interfaces (rather than only interacting with specific “compatible” objects), with the results differing depending on source attributes, target attributes, and the distance between the source and target; and with the same attribute of the target often taking on a weighted-average of the sum of the input signals it’s been receiving lately.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Imagine parallel universe Ravenholm where the Gravity Gun isn't fun, nobody would ever have beaten the game First time I went through ravenholm I didn't realize you were supposed to use the gravity gun, so I was scraping by the whole time since there's barely any ammo in that place. Coupled with the fact that I was like 12 years old and thought the zombies were really scary, it really enhanced the experience for me.
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Mymla posted:First time I went through ravenholm I didn't realize you were supposed to use the gravity gun, so I was scraping by the whole time since there's barely any ammo in that place. How the hell did you get through the headcrab room at the bottom of the mineshaft
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Cicero posted:HL1 was still a substantial step forward in interactivity for FPSes IIRC. E.g. crates that didn't exist in a simple binary state of [intact]/[destroyed], but could instead be partially destroyed, breaking off pieces at a time with your crowbar Another big thing that HL1 was praised for was the way it handled loading... the game would pause and load as you walked through hallways and vents, creating the impression that the entire game took place on one enormous map. I don't think any other FPS titles did that previously, or if they did, they didn't do it as well.
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Polo-Rican posted:Another big thing that HL1 was praised for was the way it handled loading... the game would pause and load as you walked through hallways and vents, creating the impression that the entire game took place on one enormous map. I don't think any other FPS titles did that previously, or if they did, they didn't do it as well. Boy they really did not carry that lesson forward, did they?
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A big flaming stink posted:How the hell did you get through the headcrab room at the bottom of the mineshaft I don't remember, but I don't think it was very hard compared to the rest of it. Headcrabs die to just one crowbar hit. Pylons posted:Boy they really did not carry that lesson forward, did they? Sure they did? In HL2 you walk all the way to nova prospekt. Mymla fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Nov 20, 2019 |
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Nov 20, 2019 21:25
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Polo-Rican posted:Another big thing that HL1 was praised for was the way it handled loading... the game would pause and load as you walked through hallways and vents, creating the impression that the entire game took place on one enormous map. I don't think any other FPS titles did that previously, or if they did, they didn't do it as well. The only other game I can think of that did that earlier than HL1 was Killing Time on the 3DO and PC, though the load times between segments was longer. I guess technically Strife (the Doom engine game not the other one) did that even earlier?
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Nov 20, 2019 21:26
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Mymla posted:I don't remember, but I don't think it was very hard compared to the rest of it. Headcrabs die to just one crowbar hit. With about a million loading screens.
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Pylons posted:With about a million loading screens. ...Just like in half life 1? I'm honestly not sure what you feel was different in 2 in this regard.
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The good news is that, on an SSD at least, those loading screens are super fast and the end result is a world that does feel large and open.
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Nov 20, 2019 21:50
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Donnerberg posted:Was is that different from the first? I haven't played it in ages, and video games might as well have been magic back then, so when you say that, I don't trust my memory. You’ve got to be loving kidding me with this post lmao. Holy poo poo
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Mymla posted:...Just like in half life 1? I'm honestly not sure what you feel was different in 2 in this regard. Not only did both HL1 and 2 do that, but all the games - HL1 through HL2:EP2 - are unbroken from the perspective of Gordon. Dude hasn't even slept from the moment he started work that morning at Black Mesa, except for the times he's forcibly knocked unconscious.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Not only did both HL1 and 2 do that, but all the games - HL1 through HL2:EP2 - are unbroken from the perspective of Gordon. Dude hasn't even slept from the moment he started work that morning at Black Mesa, except for the times he's forcibly knocked unconscious. He slept enough between HL1 and 2 and he's pretty much asleep permanently now so....he's rested.
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chaosapiant posted:He slept enough between HL1 and 2 and he's pretty much asleep permanently now so....he's rested.
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Technically the time between HL1 and HL2 is just a really big loading time So HL3 is still coming, it's just so big it's taking a long time to load!!!!!
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Nov 20, 2019 22:10
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Polo-Rican posted:Another big thing that HL1 was praised for was the way it handled loading... the game would pause and load as you walked through hallways and vents, creating the impression that the entire game took place on one enormous map. I don't think any other FPS titles did that previously, or if they did, they didn't do it as well. As great as that was those loading screens were a huge immersion breaker on 2004 hardware. A game fully pausing to load without any warning or transition screen feels like it's crashed or your PC is about to explode. The continuous map thing was great though. I'm a sucker for any game that feels like one long road trip.
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God of War on PS4 does an incredible job of this, you go all over the region and even into different dimensions, and it's one long single cut. There's no camera angle suddenly changing, or loading screens. Just one focused on Kratos, from start to finish.
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To be honest just not having to change disc to play the second half of the game was a big enough win for me. I don't mind a loading screen every now and again.. but the major two half-life games have helped define the genre, for better or worse. Probably better
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I was hoping for an Opposing Forces sequel, tbh 
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The REAL Goobusters posted:You’ve got to be loving kidding me with this post lmao. Holy poo poo Yup, you got me. I was disinterested and tried to bail while giving the guy an out to talk about the game he liked. I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling goobusters!
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Nov 21, 2019 00:07
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lmao masterful troll by Valve
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Mr. Clark2 posted:lmao masterful troll by Valve 
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chaosapiant posted:It's cute to me when folks say there's "no game dev talent at Valve" because to me that means you must work there. I'm guessing some folks whose names you recognize left the company, and you thought that was everyone? Or you have, on hand, the resumes of every employee? I'll never understand blanket hyperbole posts like that. it's artifact all over again hahaha
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Entorwellian posted:I was hoping for an Opposing Forces sequel, tbh What, the critically acclaimed official Steam storefront releases Prospekt and Hunt Down The Freeman that were sold for actual money dollars didn't scratch that itch?
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Hunt Down The Freeman is so Chernobylically bad it actually causes itches
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Gnome de plume posted:What, the critically acclaimed official Steam storefront releases Prospekt and Hunt Down The Freeman that were sold for actual money dollars didn't scratch that itch? I'd rather be making GBS threads blood from ebola than play either of those.
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Gnome de plume posted:What, the critically acclaimed official Steam storefront releases Prospekt and Hunt Down The Freeman that were sold for actual money dollars didn't scratch that itch? Black Mesa and Minerva were p. good tho
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I feel like portal would be a much better VR experience. The only thing I ultimately want out of VR is to get myself a really nice steering wheel, and then just have the vr headset so I can do stuff like look at my rear view mirrors and check blind spots in stuff like Forza 7 runaway dog fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Nov 21, 2019 |
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My opinion: Valve had two options: Make Alyx mainly VR but announce and release a port/version of it that isn't VR only, so that people who aren't super-rich or just don't like VR can enjoy another trip into Half-Life's world, and people who are into VR can enjoy a game that serves as a killer app for the very controversial technology making everyone get into arguments. OR Make Alyx only VR and piss off literally the mass majority of people who were annoyed by the silent death of Episode 3 by making them doubt that valve actually is doing this to make another game but merely to create a cash cow, while also causing literally tons of dumb flame wars in literally every single thread or blog post or news or whatever about the game about the EXACT same arguments regarding VR that everyone always makes, and ultimately have yet ANOTHER large controversy that would've killed the company if not for the large amount of money they make literally every second from steam and poo poo, and the circle continues, forever.
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4000 Dollar Suit posted:I feel like portal would be a much better VR experience. I would've preferred L4DVR or PORTAL VR 1000% but then again I haven't seen it yet and maybe they're making those anyway
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chaosapiant posted:It's cute to me when folks say there's "no game dev talent at Valve" because to me that means you must work there. I'm guessing some folks whose names you recognize left the company, and you thought that was everyone? Or you have, on hand, the resumes of every employee? I'll never understand blanket hyperbole posts like that. The idea is that making games require skills, which require practice to maintain and improve. Also that people who are good at making games professionally want to work on making games professionally. Neither of those are things that Valve has done for the last decade. Sally Strawman is an graphics engine programmer who did a bunch of work on the Source engine for HL2, followed by incremental updates for other games that used it. Then Valve stopped making games and Sally gets retasked to work on the Steam backend. So she quits and goes to work at Epic or Unity. Her cousin Stan Strawman is an animator whose best work was animation for HL2 and the TF2 shorts. He's still at Valve, but hasn't done any animation work outside of limited internal demos for five years. Metaphor Mel never worked at Valve. He's a world class chef famous for putting on unique elaborate banquets to near universal acclaim. Then he took a 10 year hiatus. He still cooked little dinner parties for his family occasionally, but nothing big or fancy. How well do you think he's going to do when he gets back into it?
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Metaphor Mel signs a deal with Netflix for his return. What now ???
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Donovan Trip posted:I would've preferred L4DVR or PORTAL VR 1000% but then again I haven't seen it yet and maybe they're making those anyway If Valve went Orange Box style and released three really solid VR games at once it'd be pretty tempting. I imagine Portal would just make me throw up though.
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