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euphronius posted:He literally stands up mid stage and soliloquies about how hope is the only thing he fears and lmao that’s what does him in Uh, Snoke doesn't say anything like this. Between this and the 'the Resistance has no uniforms' guy, it makes sense that people defend these films because they're just... imagining things. Here is what Snoke says: quote:SNOKE: Come closer, child. So much strength. Darkness rises, and light to meet it. I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger, his equal in the light would rise. Skywalker... I assumed. Wrongly. Closer, I said. He's not scared of hope. If anything, he's contemptuous of it.
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Horizon Burning posted:Uh, Snoke doesn't say anything like this. Between this and the 'the Resistance has no uniforms' guy, it makes sense that people defend these films because they're just... imagining things. Earlier than that At the beginning of the movie
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Nov 21, 2019 05:09
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euphronius posted:Earlier than that Do you mean this line? quote:SNOKE: Skywalker lives. The seed of the Jedi Order lives. As long as it does, hope lives in the galaxy. I thought you would be the one to snuff it out. Alas, you're no Vader. You're just a child in a mask. Still no fear.
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Nov 21, 2019 05:11
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euphronius posted:But for Rey he’d still be alive Kylo's a mad dog that was definitely going to kill his master at some point. If it wasn't Rey it would have been something else
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Nov 21, 2019 05:12
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If he’s not afraid why does he even care Come on. Make inferences
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Nov 21, 2019 05:12
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CharlestonJew posted:Kylo's a mad dog that was definitely going to kill his master at some point. If it wasn't Rey it would have been something else Yes if you imagine a different movie I’m talking about this movie
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Nov 21, 2019 05:13
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euphronius posted:But for Rey he’d still be alive so kylo kills snoke because of reyhope but then immediately afterwards reyhope rejects him because he lacks reyhope
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Nov 21, 2019 05:14
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euphronius posted:If he’s not afraid why does he even care If he's afraid of Skywalker, how come his plan to find him consists of 'do basically nothing' and why does he speak of hope with contempt? People aren't afraid of things they hold contempt for. Why does Snoke even care is precisely the thought you should be having, given how Luke was going to hang on that planet until he died anyway. Come on. Watch the movie.
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He's not afraid of hope, he just needs to kill it in order to finally solve the Anti-Life Equation
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Nov 21, 2019 05:15
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Brother Entropy posted:so kylo kills snoke because of reyhope but then immediately afterwards reyhope rejects him because he lacks reyhope Yes, yes He’s not a good dude. He def hosed up the follow through there He knows it too as evidenced by his complete loving breakdown through out the rest of the movie
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Nov 21, 2019 05:16
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euphronius posted:Yes if you imagine a different movie it's real hard to tell sometimes, your version of events of TLJ rarely matches up with what actually happened
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Nov 21, 2019 05:17
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Horizon Burning posted:If he's afraid of Skywalker, how come his plan to find him consists of 'do basically nothing' and why does he speak of hope with contempt? People aren't afraid of things they hold contempt for. ?? His whole motivation is find and kill skykwalker
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Nov 21, 2019 05:18
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CharlestonJew posted:it's real hard to tell sometimes, your version of events of TLJ rarely matches up with what actually happened Fair enough I’ve seen it like 40 times I don’t think I’m misremembering things but maybe
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Nov 21, 2019 05:18
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euphronius posted:Yes, yes you're making about as much sense as TLJ did
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Nov 21, 2019 05:19
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I thought he was just taking the Brick Tamland approach to space sorcery.
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Nov 21, 2019 05:19
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Brother Entropy posted:you're making about as much sense as TLJ did What are you confused about
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euphronius posted:What are you confused about if kylo kills snoke because of hope why does the avatar of hope immediately reject him
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Nov 21, 2019 05:21
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Brother Entropy posted:if kylo kills snoke because of hope why does the avatar of hope immediately reject him Rey does not immediately reject Ren
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Nov 21, 2019 05:22
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euphronius posted:Rey does not immediately reject Ren alright if you wanna be pedantic about it they murk some guards and then she rejects him
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Nov 21, 2019 05:24
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euphronius posted:?? Okay, but why? Skywalker has gone into exile. His school is lost, his students dead (or converted), and the Jedi seem to have faded back into myth and legend. No one knows where Luke is, no one knows what he's doing. What we find out as an audience member is that Luke has gone to Ach-To in exile, seemingly to wait out his days and die. He's even cut himself off from the Force. At this point, Snoke has won. It's not like Snoke is particularly concerned or scared or paranoid about Skywalker. He wants to kill him to snuff out hope, whatever that means, but Luke isn't exactly a hopeful dude we meet him and he hardly inspires Rey to deal with Snoke. Snoke setting up the Force Skype is what killed Snoke. Besides, that's not motivation - that's a goal. Motivation is what gives Snoke that goal, and 'I want to kill the concept of hope' isn't motivation because it's meaningless.
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Nov 21, 2019 05:24
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euphronius posted:Rey does not immediately reject Ren she rejects him less than a minute later are you really going to resort to pedantics now
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Brother Entropy posted:alright if you wanna be pedantic about it they murk some guards and then she rejects him She doesn’t reject him until he claims the Sith throne Her Hope in Ren leads her to reject luke and make a seemingly suicide mission to Ren (she literally arrives in a coffin) where he accepts her Initially which leads to the throne room scene where she inspires Ren to kills Snoke Then Ren goes bad because he’s an evil piece of poo poo a the end of it all
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Nov 21, 2019 05:27
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CharlestonJew posted:she rejects him less than a minute later Something important happens in the intervening moments
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euphronius posted:She doesn’t reject him until he claims the Sith throne Snoke and Ren aren't Sith.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I’ve read a bunch how Star Wars movies do very poorly in China, compared to most other American major franchises I think they simply do not have the cultural nostalgia other Western countries do towards Star Wars and god knows how much that franchise relies on nostalgia as a selling point. Other franchises like F&F, Transformers, the MCU and Avatar really came to prominence during Chinas big theater expansion so for a large portion of their population these are the first American franchises they feel a part of.
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aren't the sith one of the explicit things kylo brings up as a part of the past he wants to get rid of
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Horizon Burning posted:Okay, but why? He wants to kill luke not only to snuff out generalized hope but becuase he foresees his own death through luke which happens The force Skype was Greek tragedy. His own hubris took him down
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Nov 21, 2019 05:33
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Horizon Burning posted:Snoke and Ren aren't Sith. It’s literally stated in the movie It’s not even like an inference on my part although it also is a fact based on inference Jesus Christ the movie has been out for years
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Brother Entropy posted:aren't the sith one of the explicit things kylo brings up as a part of the past he wants to get rid of Sales pitch to Rey He didn’t believe it and she didn’t buy it Two minutes later he’s a Sith Lord in charge of the first order.
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euphronius posted:It’s literally stated in the movie Okay, well, you might want to tell the boffins at Wookieepedia. quote:Snoke, a Force-sensitive humanoid alien male, was a mysterious being who rose to power as Supreme Leader of the First Order during the New Republic Era. Although he was a master of the dark side of the Force, Snoke was not a member of the Sith Order, which became extinct as a result of the deaths of the last two Sith Lords, Darth Sidious and Darth Vader. And JJ Abrams: quote:"Kylo Ren is not a Sith. He works under Supreme Leader Snoke, who is a powerful figure on the Dark Side of the Force." And Andy Serkis: quote:"He’s [Snoke] definitely not a Sith, but he’s certainly at the darker end of the Force. Without giving too much away, that begins to unfold a little in this one." Maybe you can provide the literal statement in TLJ? euphronius posted:He wants to kill luke not only to snuff out generalized hope but becuase he foresees his own death through luke which happens I'm sorry? When does Snoke claim he's foreseen his death through Luke? What're you talking about? Snoke can't even foresee Kylo Ren killing his 'true enemy!'
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Nov 21, 2019 05:38
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euphronius posted:Sales pitch to Rey oh well if we're just making up that characters are lying despite zero evidence
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Quoting Wikipedia ok whatever What is a Sith ?
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Brother Entropy posted:oh well if we're just making up that characters are lying despite zero evidence ?? He wants to destroy the Sith (he claims) and then 100% acts like a Sith ? Maybe he was lying ? Maybe evil people lie ?
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Wow who else asked people to join them to take over the universe What kind of character is that. Hmm. No relevant character that I can think of
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euphronius posted:?? he's not lying, he's always honest with rey. you're trying to reconcile the shitiness of the writing in the third act by just throwing your hands up the same way people mad that rey was a nobody with 'welp kylo must be lying despite zero indication of any dishonesty!'
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euphronius posted:Quoting Wikipedia ok whatever Look, if the Wookieepedia guys say 'he's not a Sith' then he's probably not a Sith. Those guys tend to be pretty obsessive about getting things right. Like, if there was a quote where Snoke said he's a Sith then they probably wouldn't say he's not a Sith in the opening abstract of his article. A Sith a specific form of dark side Force user. They have specific traditions, such as the Rule of Two with one Master and one Apprentice, and ritualized ascendancy by the latter betraying the former. Another of these traditions is a Sith name and usage of the title 'Darth'. For example, Darth Sidious, Darth Vader, Darth Maul, and Darth Tyrannus. Every Sith we meet across six films has the title Darth. Ben Solo took on the name 'Kylo Ren' and Snoke seemingly didn't take one at all. euphronius posted:It’s literally stated in the movie So, provide this literal statement.
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Horizon Burning posted:Look, if the Wookieepedia guys say 'he's not a Sith' then he's probably not a Sith. Those guys tend to be pretty obsessive about getting things right. Like, if there was a quote where Snoke said he's a Sith then they probably wouldn't say he's not a Sith in the opening abstract of his article. Ren says it. It doesn’t matter tho . if you are hung up on wookiepeida nothing I say or the movie says will convince you Like a literally Sith Lord worshiping a Sith Lord referring to himself as Sith and you are looking at wookioedia What ever . Fine He’s not Sith . He’s Sith-like Ok so instead of Sith imagine I said Sith-like Are you happy Sith-like
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euphronius posted:Ren says it. It doesn’t matter tho . if you are hung up on wookiepeida nothing I say or the movie says will convince you Euphronius, if I put on a fancy suit and adopt a bad Italian accent when I go out to rob a bank, does this make me a member of the Mafia? Look, you're the one who said there's a literal statement of Snoke and/or Kylo Ren's specific allegiance to the Sith. Provide it. I'll give you a hint: there's exactly one line mentioning the word Sith in The Last Jedi, and it doesn't say what you think it does.
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I'll win if I just keep posting, I will! I'll show them all
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