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Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Not to mention that if the loan maximum is set at a certain amount then socially rented accommodations in the private sector would set a deposit at that amount, purely for market reasons of course.

E: cat



His name is Bagheera and he likes to play with reeds/pieces of tall grass if you dangle them near him.

Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Nov 21, 2019

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Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

Azza Bamboo posted:

Revoke money?

Whack it on the side of a bus!

Over Jo's face please.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
lol remember when they said that obviously all universities wouldn't instantly raise their tuition fees to the highest possible level because of *competition*

gently caress the pus tories, I hope nick clegg spends eternity getting chewed on by satan in the great lake of ice

not sure what circle of hell squirrel torturers end up in?

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

Robot Mil posted:

No I believe her about not voting Lib Dems but she now sees herself as politically homeless even though I think her political views are in line with Labour policies.

Seems mainly to come down to the idea that he should have won an outright majority in 2017 and because he didn't he's useless, plus a reaction to over zealous twitter people jumping on her for expressing any criticism of Corbyn

I did point this out and tried to bring it back to actually voting for Labour and the good they can do vs Corbyn because he is a perfect leader who can do no wrong.

You could tell her that, in terms of pure numbers:
  • He's the been the most effective opposition leader in terms of government defeats - beating out even Thatcher
  • Under his leadership has increased the labour membership to 500,000+ at its highest - the largest in the UK.
  • Had the largest increase in vote share in UK political history - 10% across the board - after all the braingenius political pundits predicted a labour wipeout - and this was despite internal sabotage attempts from the PLP office (whatever its called) running a defensive campaign.

Tell her that for the criticism of Corbyn, ever since he became Labour leader it's basically been a relentless ongoing smear attempt from various interested parties. (There's an article/analysis out there about the media bias around him), and for that some people get tetchy because (as Divine Shadow said) he's managed to push the overton window leftward, leaving the Tories dashing to catch up, despite being "unelectable" and "useless", and they're sick of hearing it.

Hell, even show her the various Anti/Never Corbyn brainworm tweet crowd as example of the constant endless barrage of poo poo flung at him. Like that Charles Dickens Rabbi or Riley or whoever.

Bringing it round to policy is prob the best option though, if you can't sway her otherwise - I'm having a similar thing with my old man atm, so I'm resorting to emotional blackmail; "Do you want to live in a society where your grandson, etc, etc - well this is what Labour are saying." "And so on.

Rational arguments work against few. Emotional arguments work against many.

Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Nov 21, 2019

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

XMNN posted:


not sure what circle of hell squirrel torturers end up in?

Oh no I'm flushing I'm flushing!

Who would have thought that a good little squirrel would destroy my beautiful clegginess?

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

We will only accept the Remain bonus if Jeremy Corbyn resigns. Otherwise it's No Deal Brexit :smug:

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

XMNN posted:

lol remember when they said that obviously all universities wouldn't instantly raise their tuition fees to the highest possible level because of *competition*

gently caress the pus tories, I hope nick clegg spends eternity getting chewed on by satan in the great lake of ice

not sure what circle of hell squirrel torturers end up in?

+++HUMILIATION FOR DAMNED SOUL CLEGG+++

Edit: But it's Swinson who hates squirrels! Please leave my nuts alone! IT'S NOT IRONIC IF YOU'RE DOING IT TO THE WRONG PERSON! :gonk:

Braggart fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Nov 21, 2019

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Sulphagnist posted:

Who knew that in the land of Jimmy Savile the local version of Qanon would actually be about how Corbyn is a secret racist?

Only if he pronounces it as "Sha-veel".

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
Who was the melt who was *boasting* in a book/interview about lying to Corbyn about them spending money on Facebook ads designed to encourage people to register to vote?

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund
I think the Rachel Riley stuff may have gone too far for folks.

I've seen Americans laughing at her in the "idiots on social media" thread and that never happens!

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

The Libdems are such a seething mess of contradictions :lol:

XMNN posted:

lol remember when they said that obviously all universities wouldn't instantly raise their tuition fees to the highest possible level because of *competition*

gently caress the pus tories, I hope nick clegg spends eternity getting chewed on by satan in the great lake of ice

not sure what circle of hell squirrel torturers end up in?

Third ring of the Seventh circle: violence against God, Art, and Nature.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Who was the melt who was *boasting* in a book/interview about lying to Corbyn about them spending money on Facebook ads designed to encourage people to register to vote?

Tom Baldwin?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-hq-used-facebook-ads-to-deceive-jeremy-corbyn-during-election-campaign-grlx75c27

quote:

...
He quotes an official explaining: “They wanted us to spend a fortune on some schemes like the one they had to encourage voter registration, but we only had to spend about £5,000 to make sure Jeremy’s people, some journalists and bloggers saw it was there on Facebook.
...

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

TheRat posted:

SHOW US YOUR MAP

I don't remember exactly which thread it was that had that long OP along those lines but it should go down in forums history as a warning against political hubris

Trump not winning in 2020 would be pretty nice, though. I wonder if I'll have enough hope left to believe it might happen.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

jaete posted:

The -stein name I've heard the most often is Einstein and I've never heard it pronounced with an sh in there, it's always been Eye-n-st-eye-n. Didn't even occur to me really that -stein could be also pronounced -shtein. Why are names so hard

It's pronounced that way in Hebrew! :eng101: (including Einstein)

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

MrFlibble posted:

Fairly sure Trumps going to get reelected.

In fact I have more hope in our election then the US one as it stands at the moment.

Not if Bernie wins! Which is looking surprisingly likely atm.

I very much feel the opposite, to be honest.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Josef bugman posted:

I think the Rachel Riley stuff may have gone too far for folks.

I've seen Americans laughing at her in the "idiots on social media" thread and that never happens!

There's madness in her eyes in that photo.

I think she's trying to look sincere, but she didn't manage it.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Riley is fuckin nuts. Like absolutely unhinged the poo poo she comes out with. I'm not even sure she believes it.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Barry Foster posted:

Not if Bernie wins! Which is looking surprisingly likely atm.

I very much feel the opposite, to be honest.

I'm so scared for Bernie's health.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

TheRat posted:

A major upside of Trump winning (what a sentence to type out, lmao) was watching all the loving twats in CSPAM who'd been spamming "SHOW US YOUR MAP 4HEAD" for months break down as the result became clear, and then get banned,

I remember posting something in the USPOL thread after the Brexit referendum and having poster after poster condescendingly explain to me that maybe we were dumb crazy fuckers but the US definitely wasn't going to elect Trump, no way, was never going to happen no sirree.

Lol.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Orange Devil posted:

I'm so scared for Bernie's health.

He's doing a lot better now that he's had that surgery. And all he has to do is win, he was always only ever gonna be the vanguard at this point

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Barry Foster posted:

He's doing a lot better now that he's had that surgery. And all he has to do is win, he was always only ever gonna be the vanguard at this point

As long as he avoids the pressure to "balance the ticket" by putting some melt in as VP if he gets the nomination. If he does, and then wins the election, expect his health to have a sudden downturn.

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

feedmegin posted:

I remember posting something in the USPOL thread after the Brexit referendum and having poster after poster condescendingly explain to me that maybe we were dumb crazy fuckers but the US definitely wasn't going to elect Trump, no way, was never going to happen no sirree.

Lol.

I had this exact same conversation with two older gents in the top deck of Comerica Park in Detroit about ten days before the referendum and the three of us were exactly the same: we would never vote for Brexit and they would never vote for Trump

teacup
Dec 20, 2006

= M I L K E R S =
Aussie here. What are the polls looking like? Is there any chance of you guys not having a brexit?

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Did anyone post this yet?

https://twitter.com/bruculino/status/1197279082876198912?s=20

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

goddamnedtwisto posted:

As long as he avoids the pressure to "balance the ticket" by putting some melt in as VP if he gets the nomination. If he does, and then wins the election, expect his health to have a sudden downturn.

Warren's done the melt pivot hardcore recently (to the surprise of no one actually paying attention) but I really don't see that being in Bernie's wheelhouse.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

big scary monsters posted:

With Riley, from what she's said previously, she didn't feel a strong Jewish identity until around the time she got involved in the anti-Corbyn stuff.
Wait what? W-loving-hat? :aaa:

That feels enormously loving appropriative to me. Like I know people code-switch all the time, and increasing antisemitism from the alt-right has caused people to think "well I've never thought of myself as Jewish, but the Nuremberg Race Laws would, so maybe I should talk to some people that do in solidarity before these other cunts tell me whether I'm a Jew or not", but some sort of perverse making Aliyah to anti-Corbynism seems really... off.

:perfect:

Brits and Americans pronouncing German (esp Jewish) names differently has been a comedy trope since the Borscht Belt, it's behind the whole Glouberman/Globerman bit in Big Mouth, and I never in my life thought it would be in any part of a a political controversy but because we live in loving clown dimension of course it has, along with recommending Dickens as an author meaning that you believe all Jews are Fagin Epshtyne, Jewish Pervert.
:hotpickle:

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

Lol

Britain is looking like an outback full of really dry bush on a scorching day in november, the billabong's dry and Boris has just popped down the servo for some matches and a can of guzzolene

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Barry Foster posted:

He's doing a lot better now that he's had that surgery. And all he has to do is win, he was always only ever gonna be the vanguard at this point

Part of my worry is for his actual health, part is that he'll lose votes because of it. He really loving needs to win though.

Barry Foster posted:

Warren's done the melt pivot hardcore recently (to the surprise of no one actually paying attention) but I really don't see that being in Bernie's wheelhouse.

Warren, for all her positive points, used to be a Republican back when she was teaching at Harvard and before that. People can change, but she was always a rather unlikely great progressive hope.

Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 10:25 on Nov 21, 2019

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider
I just went past a Salvation Army charity shop and saw an interesting thing in the window. I debated for a moment whether to go inside, but decided that it didn't mean that I was endorsing them. I looked at the thing, and while I was doing so I decided I might mention my view of the Salvation Army's view of me. Two staff members came out and said hello, so in a friendly tone I responded:

"Hello. I don't normally come in here because I'm gay, but you had an interesting thing in the window."

One of them chuckled and nodded, and the other one huffily said, "I'm not allowed to comment."

I smiled and left.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

teacup posted:

Aussie here. What are the polls looking like? Is there any chance of you guys not having a brexit?

Once you read past the bullshit weightings in the polls I'd give it about a 70% chance of Brexit happening if the election were held right now, of which 40% Johnson's hard Brexit, 10% No Deal and 20% a soft Labour Brexit with customs union.

Other UKMTers will vehemently disagree of course.

Fortunately the polls are mostly heading in Labour's favour and we have 3 more weeks of campaigning to go...

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
lol, nice.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

goddamnedtwisto posted:

As long as he avoids the pressure to "balance the ticket" by putting some melt in as VP if he gets the nomination. If he does, and then wins the election, expect his health to have a sudden downturn.

Common theory is he'll pick Nina turner who is a black woman socialist to really melt brains

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

Wait what? W-loving-hat? :aaa:

That feels enormously loving appropriative to me. Like I know people code-switch all the time, and increasing antisemitism from the alt-right has caused people to think "well I've never thought of myself as Jewish, but the Nuremberg Race Laws would, so maybe I should talk to some people that do in solidarity before these other cunts tell me whether I'm a Jew or not", but some sort of perverse making Aliyah to anti-Corbynism seems really... off.

:perfect:

Brits and Americans pronouncing German (esp Jewish) names differently has been a comedy trope since the Borscht Belt, it's behind the whole Glouberman/Globerman bit in Big Mouth, and I never in my life thought it would be in any part of a a political controversy but because we live in loving clown dimension of course it has, along with recommending Dickens as an author meaning that you believe all Jews are Fagin Epshtyne, Jewish Pervert.
:hotpickle:

I never considered myself Jewish because I grew up secular in Israel where Jews are the majority and the oppressors. I didn't even when I first moved here, but I definitely do now because of these neonazi clowns running around.
If Riley genuinely thinks Corbyn is Hitler then it's a reasonable pivot even if it's a crazy wild reach.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Miftan posted:

I never considered myself Jewish because I grew up secular in Israel where Jews are the majority and the oppressors. I didn't even when I first moved here, but I definitely do now because of these neonazi clowns running around.
If Riley genuinely thinks Corbyn is Hitler then it's a reasonable pivot even if it's a crazy wild reach.

Yeah this was what I thought. I think she and some others are genuinely terrified, as impossible as that is for us to understand, and the Nazis didn't care if those they identified as Jews self-identified as such, so it's a reasonable defensive shift to find solidarity with others you think are going to be targets.

I truly hope she can be rehabilitated once Corbyn ushers in socialism and fucks up the hatemongering press.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

XMNN posted:

lol remember when they said that obviously all universities wouldn't instantly raise their tuition fees to the highest possible level because of *competition*

gently caress the pus tories, I hope nick clegg spends eternity getting chewed on by satan in the great lake of ice

not sure what circle of hell squirrel torturers end up in?

I suspect that depends a lot on squirrel species, at least on ur island

There are lots of squirrels about here. I'd never noticed they get winter coats, but I saw one on the way to work this morning, with a fetching gray coat like this


Urban animals are cool. I had a hedgehog living in the bushes outside my front door this spring, so I bought it a couple of bowls for water and cat food, which smelled nasty as gently caress but it just gulped it down. Then the bowls disappeared one day, likely stolen by some municipal gardener or something, and I thought the hedgehog was gone for good. But a few weeks later, I got back home to see this:


A litter of six little miracles, curiously exploring their neighborhood in typical juvenile mammal fashion, e.g extremely cute. The life of young hedgehogs is a perilous one, but I hope to see more hogs next spring

justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Spangly A posted:

the tories lasted 5 years as a coalition because lib dems are phenominal bootlickers. They hosed up the brexit vote and had their last competent politician moonwalk away whistling the theme from the west wing. They lasted another 2 years on their own, then the most popular politician in UK history became completely paralyzed for another two years after another incredible self-own, all while racking up record defeats and sackings, totally held hostage by a bunch of colonialist savages. Their new PM lasted months as one of the few politicians with cross-party popularity they had left, all while the entirety of British media staged several uncoordinated multi-year propaganda campaigns, which have destroyed what remains of the public faith in media impartiality. We are witnessing, for the 2nd time in two years, a remarkably similar shift in public opinion caused by the opposition simply being allowed to speak to the wider public through a hysterically partisan media. All this while the world literally burns and anti-capitalist sentiment reaches heights not seen in a century. We in the UK must remember that the left is lucky to have an uneasy coalition around the platonic ideal of a social democratic party and leader - we are ahead of the fash here, and we must cherish and use that. Any glorious victories by the conservative party will be like the dying of the egyptian monarchies - announced at ever shorter intervals, ever closer to capital, until suddenly; silence.

[...]

We're going to win this GE, but losing didn't stop us in 2017, or 1938, or 1926. What we see today might even look horribly like feudalism, but we already killed that once, and we will kill it again. No matter what happens, we will eventually rebuild the world as a better place. This threat is uniquely catastrophic, but as far as electoral politics goes in britain today, we've overcome worse to build better. We're going to win.

Thanks, I needed that. Was feeling a bit gloomy yesterday but I'm back to win mode.

- Boris is a bell end, people voted Theresa because she wore nice shoes and appeared sort of boring, so that will swing some
- He has lost almost every vote in Parliament and every Cummings plan has backfired
- The Tories already had a majority of -40 so need to do a lot more for a majority
- They also removed the whip from a bunch of their own MPs and will have a bunch of new ones
- The Brexit Party is collapsing before it even started, and this doesn't necessarily mean more Tory votes
- Jo; is totally mangling the LD campaign and pushes more voters away everytime she speaks
- LD have said they'd never work with Corbyn, but other parties would - think Green might do well
- Trump is visiting the UK just days before the election
- The usual smears against Corbyn are getting more convoluted and ridiculous to the point of failure
- Even things that 'should' have had an impact last election (terrorist attacks, weighted media campaign) didn't so much, and a lot has changed since then
- Labour have great policies and Momentum is running a great campaign, many more people I know are campaigning for Labour than last time
- By not talking only about Brexit, other issues are getting air that are more human rather than bureaucratic
- Corbyn

We'll win.

Sanitary Naptime
May 29, 2006

MIWK!


Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

I suspect that depends a lot on squirrel species, at least on ur island

There are lots of squirrels about here. I'd never noticed they get winter coats, but I saw one on the way to work this morning, with a fetching gray coat like this


Urban animals are cool. I had a hedgehog living in the bushes outside my front door this spring, so I bought it a couple of bowls for water and cat food, which smelled nasty as gently caress but it just gulped it down. Then the bowls disappeared one day, likely stolen by some municipal gardener or something, and I thought the hedgehog was gone for good. But a few weeks later, I got back home to see this:


A litter of six little miracles, curiously exploring their neighborhood in typical juvenile mammal fashion, e.g extremely cute. The life of young hedgehogs is a perilous one, but I hope to see more hogs next spring

Thank you for posting wholesome hog

justcola posted:

Thanks, I needed that. Was feeling a bit gloomy yesterday but I'm back to win mode.

- Boris is a bell end, people voted Theresa because she wore nice shoes and appeared sort of boring, so that will swing some
- He has lost almost every vote in Parliament and every Cummings plan has backfired
- The Tories already had a majority of -40 so need to do a lot more for a majority
- They also removed the whip from a bunch of their own MPs and will have a bunch of new ones
- The Brexit Party is collapsing before it even started, and this doesn't necessarily mean more Tory votes
- Jo; is totally mangling the LD campaign and pushes more voters away everytime she speaks
- LD have said they'd never work with Corbyn, but other parties would - think Green might do well
- Trump is visiting the UK just days before the election
- The usual smears against Corbyn are getting more convoluted and ridiculous to the point of failure
- Even things that 'should' have had an impact last election (terrorist attacks, weighted media campaign) didn't so much, and a lot has changed since then
- Labour have great policies and Momentum is running a great campaign, many more people I know are campaigning for Labour than last time
- By not talking only about Brexit, other issues are getting air that are more human rather than bureaucratic
- Corbyn

We'll win.

gently caress yes we will.

Also, echoing the thanks to Spangly A for a Good Post.

Looking forward to this manifesto drop today :getin:

Zedsdeadbaby
Jun 14, 2008

You have been called out, in the ways of old.
Lower your expectations. Ludicrous optimism gives way to depression and despair.

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lol the bbc deleted that priti patel laughing at the government being responsible for child poverty tweet

this one

https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1197452853784252416?s=20

Jose fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Nov 21, 2019

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