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Data Graham posted:The chud in my life has shifted ever-so-slightly to touting military porn as his reason for being behind Trump 100%. Last week he went off on a long awe-filled tangent about a military friend of his and how he got to see some top-secret Navy technology that blew him away (and sounded to me like a 3D fishfinder you can buy for $400 on Amazon) and was only made possible because of all the money Trump is giving the military. "Ivan thinks he can go toe-to-toe with us now", he said, "but they have NO IDEA how far ahead we are" For sure the military probably has some real cool, top notch poo poo that we don’t know about. It has been that way for a really long time and Trump has nothing to do with it. He just likes to take credit for literally everything. https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1197874166768291840?s=21 Literally everything.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Very normal man returned to Twitter with a very normal post Dude is projecting so hard right now.
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Nov 22, 2019 16:01
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Bubbacub posted:I might have said something akin to this playing Harpoon when I was 12. Hell, I was saying this last year playing Cold Waters. I was the terror of troop convoys until I blundered into an ASW group and got murdered.
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Nov 22, 2019 16:02
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Very normal man returned to Twitter with a very normal post Why does he look like Pewdiepie?
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Nov 22, 2019 16:03
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:wegothim: right? I mean, that's literally him saying that he fired Comey because he was being investigated. Data Graham posted:The chud in my life has shifted ever-so-slightly to touting military porn as his reason for being behind Trump 100%. Last week he went off on a long awe-filled tangent about a military friend of his and how he got to see some top-secret Navy technology that blew him away (and sounded to me like a 3D fishfinder you can buy for $400 on Amazon) and was only made possible because of all the money Trump is giving the military. "Ivan thinks he can go toe-to-toe with us now", he said, "but they have NO IDEA how far ahead we are"
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Nov 22, 2019 16:04
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Slowpoke! posted:For sure the military probably has some real cool, top notch poo poo that we don’t know about. It has been that way for a really long time and Trump has nothing to do with it. He just likes to take credit for literally everything. Oh, of course. If they have some awesome new tech that's currently demoable, it was in development as of like 2012
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Nov 22, 2019 16:05
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Minenfeld! posted:Hell, I was saying this last year playing Cold Waters. I was the terror of troop convoys until I blundered into an ASW group and got murdered. Where'd that contact go? Oh it's close. Oh hey it's a Kirov. Oh gently caress it's right in top of me gently caress gently caress launch transients shiiiit!
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Nov 22, 2019 16:05
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Lote posted:Dude is projecting so hard right now. 
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Nov 22, 2019 16:06
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Just donated to AOC, I'm sure she'll be reelected and she's not anywhere near being my rep, but I want her to stay in the house and hopefully become a senator soon. gently caress all the chuds.
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Nov 22, 2019 16:09
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Minenfeld! posted:Hell, I was saying this last year playing Cold Waters. I was the terror of troop convoys until I blundered into an ASW group and got murdered.  I'm unstoppable in deep Atlantic water, but I'm a blundering torpedo magnet in the China Sea.
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Nov 22, 2019 16:11
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TulliusCicero posted:Why does he look like Pewdiepie? To quote Crow T. Robot, "he has the look of a man who's just been hit with a fish."
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Nov 22, 2019 16:11
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ewiley posted::wegothim: right? I mean, that's literally him saying that he fired Comey because he was being investigated. He said that already, a couple days after the fact. 
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Nov 22, 2019 16:12
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this is an interesting theory. to summarize, the house managers can issue subpoenas for testimony during the senate trial, and Justice Roberts directly and immediately rules on any objections to those subpoenas. Given that you won't enforce a subpoena without Roberts' vote anyway, this will allow the House to get what is effectively an immediate supreme court ruling on the testimony of any of the witnesses who have refused to appear - and accordingly, they're not giving up the chance to get testimony from people by quickly moving to a trial.quote:I’m a former federal corruption AUSA and also a former DOJ attorney. Let me tell you why I think the House isn’t going to court over the failure of Bolton, Pompeo, etc. to appear for testimony. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/read-this-11
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Nov 22, 2019 16:13
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So my brother texted me asking me, in all seriousness, why is it acceptable for left wing groups to pass around guillotine/eat the rich memes, and why would that be acceptable, instead of being seen as anything other than left wing ISIS. I don't wish for privacy reasons to post the whole text, but I would like to respond to him in depth, except for the fact that having only a very surface level general knowledge of marxist critiques; is there anyone who I could PM or discuss on discord my brother's text, compile a list of videos or articles for him to watch. The goal wouldn't be to convert him or anything, but at least outline the arguments, calmly and rationally, with as much evidence as possible so he can at least acknowledge socialism as a valid economic-political ideology even if he won't explicitly support it.
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Nov 22, 2019 16:14
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Raenir Salazar posted:So my brother texted me asking me, in all seriousness, why is it acceptable for left wing groups to pass around guillotine/eat the rich memes, and why would that be acceptable, instead of being seen as anything other than left wing ISIS. Because we're talking about like 30 guys who are destroying the whole country. These couple-of-dozen dudes have made it so that your grandma has to eat cat food and that when she gets an infection in her leg, she just has to fuckin' die instead of getting treatment. They literally deserve the guillotine.
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Nov 22, 2019 16:17
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Nail Rat posted:Just donated to AOC, I'm sure she'll be reelected and she's not anywhere near being my rep, but I want her to stay in the house and hopefully become a senator soon. gently caress all the chuds. Her district is D+29. The Republicans running against her will mount a different type of campaign. Rather than trying to win, they’ll probably just mount a huge disinformation campaign to damage the Democratic Party at large. Basically anchor her progressive agenda to other more vulnerable Democrats and the party itself and try to characterize them as dangerous socialists. It won’t work in NY-14 but there are a lot of districts where it could turn the tide or at least prevent other progressive Dems from winning their primaries.
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Nov 22, 2019 16:19
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Cause the rich only serve themselves and horde all their money and never reinvest it. There’s nothing you can show someone to make them understand. If he needs a reason just say for the same reason it’s acceptable for Facebook and Twitter to deem it ok to let people disseminate easily verifiable fake information and Nazi propaganda.
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Nov 22, 2019 16:19
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There are a few different angles but the main one is satire and lack of means. When ISIS makes a threat there is reason to believe they will attempt to carry it out. When someone posts Time for Guillotines on Facebook it's clearly a joke. Even if they built a physical guillotine there's no path forward for implementation. That matters because first amendment protects even calls for violence as long as they aren't imminent threats. You can repost the Jefferson "tree of liberty must be watered with blood of Patriots" quote as an example. That's allowed because it isn't a specific imminent threat, it's just an abstract call for violence at an unspecified point in the potential future.
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Nov 22, 2019 16:20
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Raenir Salazar posted:So my brother texted me asking me, in all seriousness, why is it acceptable for left wing groups to pass around guillotine/eat the rich memes, and why would that be acceptable, instead of being seen as anything other than left wing ISIS. Explain to him that there is a vast gulf of difference in that no one in the Democratic Party's mainstream--Bernie included--that actually advocates violence against billionaires. The same cannot be said of Trump, Republicans, and anyone with skin browner than a paper bag.
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Nov 22, 2019 16:20
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Is Steve Doocy part of the cult? Because if he is, this is big. https://twitter.com/impeachcast/status/1197889857365917696?s=19
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Raenir Salazar posted:So my brother texted me asking me, in all seriousness, why is it acceptable for left wing groups to pass around guillotine/eat the rich memes, and why would that be acceptable, instead of being seen as anything other than left wing ISIS. it seems he's objecting to joking about violence not about economics, so "here are some treatises on why i agree with the economics" is unlikely to be pursuasive
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Raenir Salazar posted:So my brother texted me asking me, in all seriousness, why is it acceptable for left wing groups to pass around guillotine/eat the rich memes, and why would that be acceptable, instead of being seen as anything other than left wing ISIS. The people those memes are about are the same people who pass legislation that leads to disasters like Grenfell Tower, austerity and the privatisation of the NHS, all of which have body counts. They kill people for their own enrichment. Edit: Oops, I'm in the USPol thread. Imagine I was talking about mass shootings, privatised healthcare, and the Bhopal disaster instead. Gort fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Nov 22, 2019 |
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Is Steve Doocy part of the cult? Because if he is, this is big. he said that a month and a half ago or so when he thought there was no way that'd get proved, in a moment of accidental honesty he has been reprogrammed with the current propaganda
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Nov 22, 2019 16:21
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Raenir Salazar posted:So my brother texted me asking me, in all seriousness, why is it acceptable for left wing groups to pass around guillotine/eat the rich memes, and why would that be acceptable, instead of being seen as anything other than left wing ISIS. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/i-dont-know-how-to-explain-to-you-that-you-should_b_59519811e4b0f078efd98440
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Raenir Salazar posted:So my brother texted me asking me, in all seriousness, why is it acceptable for left wing groups to pass around guillotine/eat the rich memes, and why would that be acceptable, instead of being seen as anything other than left wing ISIS. ISIS literally enslaves human beings en masse, and tortures people to death and posts the videos online as propaganda. Massive corporations and hyper-wealthy people create policies that create de facto slavery and leave people to die in agony because they're not profitable. People who are angry about that make slightly edgy jokes and music videos. That's not even close to comparable to ISIS.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There are a few different angles but the main one is satire and lack of means. When ISIS makes a threat there is reason to believe they will attempt to carry it out. When someone posts Time for Guillotines on Facebook it's clearly a joke. Even if they built a physical guillotine there's no path forward for implementation. This is probably the best response Raenir Salazar.
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theflyingorc posted:Because we're talking about like 30 guys who are destroying the whole country. The whole loving planet really
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A lot of good posts that respond to a very small and specific tidbit, but I'd like very much to pm one or two people who I can show the whole text to because it isn't something that can be resolved with just a single paragraph.evilweasel posted:it seems he's objecting to joking about violence not about economics, so "here are some treatises on why i agree with the economics" is unlikely to be pursuasive That's because I didn't post the whole text and it goes much further, I think constructing an argument that validates socialism as a ideology is the right tactic because his thinking I am pretty sure, stems from not seeing it as valid, ergo its memes/jokes aren't valid; to put it simply. I have no idea who he's talked to or what he's read to inform his position so I'd like to make a crash course sort of attempt. e: Hieronymous Alloy posted:There are a few different angles but the main one is satire and lack of means. When ISIS makes a threat there is reason to believe they will attempt to carry it out. When someone posts Time for Guillotines on Facebook it's clearly a joke. Even if they built a physical guillotine there's no path forward for implementation. In fairness though revolutionary socialism does call for some amount of violence.
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Prester Jane posted:Personally I think they should make the election about embracing a vision of a better future as clearly articulated by the Democratic candidate. This. I think we should use progressive policy ideas to create a competing narrative to trumps. I have a feeling trump is going to run attack ad after attack ad no matter who the nominee is so I think we should let people know what we actually stand for. Progressive policy polls pretty freaking well.
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theflyingorc posted:Because we're talking about like 30 guys who are destroying the whole country. Not entirely certain that a poster with a "let them eat cake" attitude towards rural folk should be talking so eagerly about guillotines.......
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It saddens me that so many people only seem to talk about guillotines as a rhetorical device. Billionaires really shouldn't be allowed to keep their wealth, and if they resist they should be separated from both their assets and their heads, in that order
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Raenir Salazar posted:So my brother texted me asking me, in all seriousness, why is it acceptable for left wing groups to pass around guillotine/eat the rich memes, and why would that be acceptable, instead of being seen as anything other than left wing ISIS. It's all about context and intent. There are plenty of right-wing memes that nobody takes seriously like the 'tree of liberty watered with blood of patriots'. Satirical violence as a means to an end has been a part of political discourse forever. The fact that the meme incorporates an unrealistic historic trope (no one would literally have their heads cut off with a guillotine or be eaten) signals that it's just a metaphor. This is in direct opposition to dogwhistles or outright calling for murder, like lynching, which is a recent historical fact and calls for direct violence. These are especially true for violence directed toward minorities rather than a class of people. Then you could also look at statistical evidence--white supremicist terrorists have actually murdered hundreds of people in the last few years, what do their propaganda look like? Vs left wing violence which IIRC no one in the US has been killed by since the 60's and mostly by blowing themselves up with bombs.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There are a few different angles but the main one is satire and lack of means. When ISIS makes a threat there is reason to believe they will attempt to carry it out. When someone posts Time for Guillotines on Facebook it's clearly a joke. Even if they built a physical guillotine there's no path forward for implementation. yeah the problem with this answer is that we hear the "its satire" in a pretty different context and have no issues realizing that what is a joking threat to the in-group can still be perceived as extremely threatening to the person being joked about when discussing right-wing memes. the secondary problem is that the idiots who don't realize it's a joke start one-upping the people making jokes until you've created a self-radicalized group of morons being 100% serious, better known as the "lf problem" so while "left-wing isis" is a stretch the question is "why is this different from chuds 'joking' about violence"
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Failed Imagineer posted:It saddens me that so many people only seem to talk about guillotines as a rhetorical device. Billionaires really shouldn't be allowed to keep their wealth, and if they resist they should be separated from both their assets and their heads, in that order I don't think billionaires should be killed, that's too easy. They should be stripped of their wealth and forced to experience living in conditions they precipitate.
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evilweasel posted:this is an interesting theory. to summarize, the house managers can issue subpoenas for testimony during the senate trial, and Justice Roberts directly and immediately rules on any objections to those subpoenas. Given that you won't enforce a subpoena without Roberts' vote anyway, this will allow the House to get what is effectively an immediate supreme court ruling on the testimony of any of the witnesses who have refused to appear - and accordingly, they're not giving up the chance to get testimony from people by quickly moving to a trial.
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Maybe we have it all wrong and Graham is the only one who knows that boot leather is an exquisite, delectable delicacy
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FlamingLiberal posted:In theory this is a good idea, but in practice you are putting your faith into John Roberts which is a bad idea you're missing the second half of the argument, which is "if roberts is willing to squelch the subpoenas at the trial, he was going to be the fifth vote to squash the subpoenas when it reached the supreme court anyway so you've saved six months minimum of waiting around"
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ewiley posted:I don't think billionaires should be killed, that's too easy. They should be stripped of their wealth and forced to experience living in conditions they precipitate. I appreciate the sentiment, but really I believe when you have spent the majority of your life spreading diffuse harm around society, society should have no obligation to support you even in a meagre fashion. I could definitely be content with this outcome tho
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Why is everyone assuming that Roberts will do anything to protect Trump that would significantly diminish either the actual or perceived power of the Supreme court? It's seriously the dumbest loving thing that keeps getting brought up edit: literally the only thing that ousts Roberts is a complete constitutional crisis and meltdown. The Chief Justice openly defying every norm and standard is the best way to create open revolt among the populace oxsnard fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Nov 22, 2019 |
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