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Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


no cool hobby
no great body
no social butterflying
no activism or accolades
just Pollyanna

I do have money though

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Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Pollyanna posted:

no cool hobby
no great body
no social butterflying
no activism or accolades
just Pollyanna

I do have money though

i don't have any of those or money lol

you don't gotta be the ambassador to all of queerdom 24/7

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Improbable Lobster posted:

i don't have any of those or money lol

you don't gotta be the ambassador to all of queerdom 24/7

Trying to control the world? I see you won't succeed.
The world is a spiritual vessel And cannot be controlled. Those who control, fail. Those who grasp, lose.
Some go forth, some are led, Some weep, some blow flutes, Some become strong, some superfluous, Some oppress, some are destroyed.
Therefore the Sage Casts off extremes, Casts off excess, Casts off Extravagance.

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Pollyanna posted:

hey here’s a thing I’ve got on my mind. I feel like I’m a bad representative for trans people because I’m a loser shutin who doesn’t like doing stuff and prefers to nap with cats
1)You're selling yourself short 2) Still better than Natalie or Blaire

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Fatty Crabcakes posted:

1)You're selling yourself short 2) Still better than Natalie or Blaire

1. it is an unnatural compulsion to compare myself thrust upon me by social media, so it won’t be reasonable
2. who

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

i assume Blaire is Blaire White, i have no idea who Natalie could be

maybe the porn star?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


what do trans porn stars do when they hit their 30s and/or lose popularity

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


that sounds depressing as poo poo

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


it is important that all lifestyles and beliefs be represented so that everyone can see that they don't have to conform to a certain image of trans-ness.


except being a chud. great loving job giving cover to fascism there Caitlyn Jenner.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Pollyanna posted:

what do trans porn stars do when they hit their 30s and/or lose popularity

probably the same thing cis porn stars do, get behind the camera or get out of porn

or die mysteriously i guess

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

also like

Pollyanna posted:

hey here’s a thing I’ve got on my mind. I feel like I’m a bad representative for trans people because I’m a loser shutin who doesn’t like doing stuff and prefers to nap with cats

honestly i'd argue you're a good representative for trans people because you are a normal human who does boring normal human things, not whatever the hell bigots claim transpeople are. while protesting and activisim and community engagement and all that is important, it's also important to just be a normal-rear end person, the kind of person that makes people think "wait a minute, i work / am neighbors / relatives / whatever with Pollyanna and they sure seem pretty normal, why shouldn't they be treated like normal people?"

i'm sure some of them will just file you under "one of the good ones" and continue to be lovely in general, but I still think it helps for a lot of less-awful people. like when my wife came out as trans to my family, my dad (who's normally fairly non-political but leans kinda-sorta-centrist-y and can be weird about certain things) was like "oh i work with a transperson and we get along great and they're completely fine and normal" and that was that, no problems at all.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
you feel like you're "a bad representative for trans people"?

hmm. gonna have to disagree with that one.

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

Fatty Crabcakes posted:

1)You're selling yourself short 2) Still better than Natalie or Blaire


gonna just assume Natalie Portman and uhh Blaire Witch

Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.
From The Facts of Life maybe? Still don't get the reference though.

Ms. Twiggy
Sep 9, 2018

Floppy drives should be stylish and fun

Progressive JPEG posted:

gonna just assume Natalie Portman and uhh Blaire Witch

The Natalie in question is very probably Contrapoints.

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Pollyanna posted:

what do trans porn stars do when they hit their 30s and/or lose popularity
Well that Natalie is like 35 so I guess continue working?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

a friend of mine met her once and said she was real cool, i hope she's not the natalie being talked about :ohdear:

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Zamujasa posted:

you feel like you're "a bad representative for trans people"?

hmm. gonna have to disagree with that one.

in the “I thought people who transition were bright and happy and successful I don’t want one who failed” sense

that might be my parents speaking tho

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


no idea who Natalie or Blaire are

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

Pollyanna posted:

no idea who Natalie or Blaire are

you’re better off not knowing them

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer
contrapoints is fine. the endless purity testing of her sense of humor is irritating

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

Pollyanna posted:

in the “I thought people who transition were bright and happy and successful I don’t want one who failed” sense

you can't "fail" at being trans. qed

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

jit bull transpile posted:

contrapoints is fine. the endless purity testing of her sense of humor is irritating

isn't she the one that kept tweeting about how much she hates nb/gnc people


idk who she is or what she actually does

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
pointless pontificating, but bein honest about one not being successful / bright / happy is important.

if the only "right" representation was of people who were all smiles 100% of the time, it could lead to other people feeling invalidated, because they aren't happy/successful all the time.

and the fact is, nobody is. being trans, or lgbtqia+ in general, is fuckin hard as hell. everyone's got their struggles. it's important to remember that. we all gotta be there for one another.


social media's a gently caress about this sometimes because it can let people put only their best appearance out there. you don't see the daily struggles they have, just the moments they thought were worth sharing.


i guess the short version is: not being what people call "normal" is normal. things ain't perfect. we're all human.

do what you can for yourself and others. that's what matters.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Improbable Lobster posted:

isn't she the one that kept tweeting about how much she hates nb/gnc people


idk who she is or what she actually does

that's a pretty extreme mischaracterization of what she said. she tweeted about how othering it is for a bunch of cis people to start a pronoun circle when she's the only trans person in the room and then joked that woke cis people being fixated on nb pronouns right now makes it hard for a "passable tran" like her. that last part is pretty obviously a self-deprecating joke if you know her work at all but people latched onto it as proof that she hates all nb people and is totally a secret alt right.

she's a YouTube personality who does dialectic videos on queer adjacent topics but she has a very internet sense of humor so every time she says or does anything Twitter people come out of the woodwork to scream about her ideological purity and accuse her of being counter revolutionary. because if you're trans and in public the you have to be a perfect member of the vanguard and how dare you not conform to my every expectation.


Blair white is an actual piece of poo poo who is basically a trans minstrel show to support people like Ben Shapiro.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

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i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING
I can't speak about the current controversy, but I wrote her off years back when she repeatedly volunteered to be the "good one" showing up to alt-right fundraiser events as a counterpoint voice in the room. Yes. Raise money for these dipshits. Great move.

I'm just saying at some point the benefit of the doubt goes for me and one of these is "oops", two+ is "hey wait..."

RustyKnight
Jul 11, 2016

every day is a new horror



Came out to everybody in my team at work, was reeeeeeally nervous, but even though this is Poland and all of them but one are poles it went pretty good, people asked me for my chosen name, how would I like them to address me. Once again people started telling me how brave I am but I still feel like a scared possum.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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RustyKnight posted:

Came out to everybody in my team at work, was reeeeeeally nervous, but even though this is Poland and all of them but one are poles it went pretty good, people asked me for my chosen name, how would I like them to address me. Once again people started telling me how brave I am but I still feel like a scared possum.

good work and congratulations

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

jit bull transpile posted:

that's a pretty extreme mischaracterization of what she said. she tweeted about how othering it is for a bunch of cis people to start a pronoun circle when she's the only trans person in the room and then joked that woke cis people being fixated on nb pronouns right now makes it hard for a "passable tran" like her. that last part is pretty obviously a self-deprecating joke if you know her work at all but people latched onto it as proof that she hates all nb people and is totally a secret alt right.

again, i don't watch her videos but the reason why i thought that was because screenshots i've seen of her tweets are super loving gross to anyone that isn't assimilated and passing as cis


e: i should add that i don't feel strongly about this, and that i believe that you are right and that cherrypicked tweets probably aren't an accurate representation of her

Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Nov 23, 2019

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

RustyKnight posted:

Came out to everybody in my team at work, was reeeeeeally nervous, but even though this is Poland and all of them but one are poles it went pretty good, people asked me for my chosen name, how would I like them to address me. Once again people started telling me how brave I am but I still feel like a scared possum.

great to hear :3:

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

RustyKnight posted:

Came out to everybody in my team at work, was reeeeeeally nervous, but even though this is Poland and all of them but one are poles it went pretty good, people asked me for my chosen name, how would I like them to address me. Once again people started telling me how brave I am but I still feel like a scared possum.

gently caress yeah

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus


jit bull transpile posted:

. every time she says or does anything Twitter people come out of the woodwork to scream about her ideological purity and accuse her of being counter revolutionary. because if you're trans and in public the you have to be a perfect member of the vanguard and how dare you not conform to my every expectation..
Yes and no? There was some of that, but attributing even the bulk of the criticisms to screechy tumblr types WHO WON'T EVER BE SATISFIED BY ANYTHING UGH is a dodge and just dismissive of the people whose feelings were genuine and not part of some TEH LEFT IS EATING ITSELF AGAIN narrative.

She really didn't help things with that guff about zoomers and being the last of the old-school transsexuals when a lot of the people saying nothing more than "poo poo take, Natalie" had transitioned years and decades before. Then she hired Buck fuckin Angel and then made a bunch of excuses for his lovely rear end when people went "hey, wait a sec here..."

Also, there's a lot of context...

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Fatty Crabcakes posted:

Yes and no? There was some of that, but attributing even the bulk of the criticisms to screechy tumblr types WHO WON'T EVER BE SATISFIED BY ANYTHING UGH is a dodge and just dismissive of the people whose feelings were genuine and not part of some TEH LEFT IS EATING ITSELF AGAIN narrative.

She really didn't help things with that guff about zoomers and being the last of the old-school transsexuals when a lot of the people saying nothing more than "poo poo take, Natalie" had transitioned years and decades before. Then she hired Buck fuckin Angel and then made a bunch of excuses for his lovely rear end when people went "hey, wait a sec here..."

Also, there's a lot of context...



like you say it's really complicated, but the predominant discourse I see online is "she's bad and a traitor unequivocally" and I'm mostly reacting to that. there's plenty to criticize but the conversation doesn't usually involve good faith criticism.

that said I don't think it's that unusual for binary trans people to miss the days of stealth. I certainly find it othering and embarrassing when a room full of cis people I haven't even disclosed to are fawning all over themselves sharing pronouns, or when something queer related comes up and every head swivels in my direction. it fuckin sucks to not be able to just be another person in the room when you're around trans-accepting cis people these days. the sad reality is that for some (privileged) subset of us increased visibility has made things worse in some ways.

that doesn't mean I want to change things in a way that would make it worse for nb people or people who don't want to be stealth, but I also think it's totally fair for those of us who are stealth in our offline lives to be able to bitch about our own issues a bit without being accused of betraying the revolution. Natalie's sense of humor means she gets taken way too seriously on idle bitching way more often than others

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013
I just reserve this kind of hatred for actual Nazis like Blair White, why on earth should I bother getting angry at the YouTuber who seems dumb and does bad skits? All it did was make her delete her Twitter, nothing at all was gained, nothing was learned, and meanwhile you’ve got that dipshit Blair repeating Republican and fascist talking points about trans people basically unopposed apart from, I dunno, some stupid Twitter thread from that boring gently caress with the sloth avatar about how it’s bad and nothing else.

RustyKnight
Jul 11, 2016

every day is a new horror



went to deans office at uni with paper from psychologist to ask if it would be possible to change my name on lists, got response that it has to be a legal change to do anything and to gently caress off, cool, so when my tits start to grow and I wont be able to just crossdress I’ll still need to respond to my old name, this is gonna be fun, I hope i will keep up my fighting spirit or this is really gonna hurt. Studying in Poland is poo poo and i wish i could stop, but i already paid for this semester for fucks sake. I am not sure if i even menage to learn anything here when lectures are either just reading powerpoints out loud or rushing through everything so nobody understands nothing. Also people who already work in tech and asks to skip topics because they already know poo poo really piss me off.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

RustyKnight posted:

Also people who already work in tech and asks to skip topics because they already know poo poo really piss me off.

loving techies

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

jit bull transpile posted:

I certainly find it othering and embarrassing when a room full of cis people I haven't even disclosed to are fawning all over themselves sharing pronouns, or when something queer related comes up and every head swivels in my direction.

ugh i've seen both of these happen (the first to someone i know, the second to me and everyone else queer that i have ever known) :witewater:

at work a while ago one customer of ours wanted to replace their "M/F" radio buttons with a dropdown selection of different genders, not ideal but eh at least they're trying. after the initial bizarre confusion went around of "why would they need more than two genders??? gosh customers are so weird!" everyone realized it was One Of Those Queer Things and without even thinking automatically came to me to ask about it lmao

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

RustyKnight posted:

went to deans office at uni with paper from psychologist to ask if it would be possible to change my name on lists, got response that it has to be a legal change to do anything and to gently caress off, cool, so when my tits start to grow and I wont be able to just crossdress I’ll still need to respond to my old name, this is gonna be fun, I hope i will keep up my fighting spirit or this is really gonna hurt. Studying in Poland is poo poo and i wish i could stop, but i already paid for this semester for fucks sake. I am not sure if i even menage to learn anything here when lectures are either just reading powerpoints out loud or rushing through everything so nobody understands nothing. Also people who already work in tech and asks to skip topics because they already know poo poo really piss me off.

i think i said it before but you're like, super brave and cool and are tackling a lot of this poo poo head-on really fast in a country that's not exactly happy with your existence, and that's awesome even if they're trying to make it as hard as fuckin' possible.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-jammyozzy.gif"><br>Is that a challenge?

jit bull transpile posted:

or when something queer related comes up and every head swivels in my direction.

Haha gently caress, this absolutely perfectly describes my experience of being the only gay in the office.

Another guy in the company came out recently, but he works in the office downstairs, so I'm still the only point of contact for all the STEM-lords I work with day to day.

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The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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love to have the tsa take out and individually examine each of my four successively larger dilators in front of 50 people.

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