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silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

Ibram Gaunt posted:

How do you get new steam injectors in the base campaign of tome? I need a new steam implant so I can actually use both my sustains but I dunno how to get more since they aren't in shops like they are in EoR.

Find them as random loot (rare that you'll get one with decent stats) or buy them from the automated vendor, which can only be accessed after rescuing a Lost Tinker escort quest and choosing the last reward option... or install the mod that adds tinker stores to Last Hope.

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Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Ah...It seems the tinker NPC won't spawn if you are a tinker (I used a escort selector addon to get tinkers on other guys, and I could choose it but it just made my first escort a random one instead...)
And you can't use new addons midgame so I guess I'm just going to have to tough it out for now.

Jawnycat
Jul 9, 2015
Hunting patrols can help with getting steam stuff to drop, they always seem to drop butloads, but is yah know, very dangerous.

Razakai
Sep 15, 2007

People are afraid
To merge on the freeway
Disappear here
I think I'll make a new thread for ToME seeing as it's getting a bit more interest post 1.6. Any good title suggestions? As much as I'd like to title it "Tales of Maj'eyal: I assume this is a Razakai class?" that's a bit self indulgent.

(p.s. I have a bunch of anni fixes ready to merge now, but nerfs and buffs will come later. turrets are certainly stronger now though just by being less dumb!)

Lambo Trillrissian
May 18, 2007
Tales of Maj'eyal 1.6: New and Improved Player Complaint AI

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

More TOME Kombat: Annihilation

I just got a key for Nova Drift from Celerity, which was nice because I've been looking at it for a while and waiting for a sale. Can someone tell me more about how to get started?

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

I decided to try out Archer in TOME on a whim and wow, this really is as loving crazy as people were murmuring about.

megane
Jun 20, 2008



Jedit posted:

More TOME Kombat: Annihilation

I just got a key for Nova Drift from Celerity, which was nice because I've been looking at it for a while and waiting for a sale. Can someone tell me more about how to get started?

It's not too complicated, just shoot mans and don't get hit. If you want a solid, basic build, just get split shot or dart for your weapon, the assault body, any shield but bastion, and then take all the red upgrades except siege and charged shot (which are very powerful, but dangerous and generally bad for fast-firing guns, respectively).

Magitek
Feb 20, 2008

That's not jolly.
That's not jolly at all!

Ibram Gaunt posted:

I decided to try out Archer in TOME on a whim and wow, this really is as loving crazy as people were murmuring about.

No dude, you’re playing the nerfed version. Initial reworked release was pure comedy.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Lol seriously? I'm playing on nightmare and just breezing by, about to hit dreadfell. Havent run into any issues other than being unable to kill the weirdling beast yet. I cant imagine how busted this was if this is post nerf. Was it just number changes?

Magitek
Feb 20, 2008

That's not jolly.
That's not jolly at all!
I can't remember the specifics, but IIRC it wasn't too difficult to get 100% uptime on the speed bonuses from both Trueshot and Bullseye. That's in addition to nerfs to various damage numbers

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

Jedit posted:

Can someone tell me more about how to get started?

If you want some absurd funtimes try considering that talk of shields and weapon upgrades and do the exact opposite: take Pulse or Flak weapon and Hullbreaker ship and get Rapid Reconstruction and all the hull/speed upgrades and just headbutt the entire universe to death.

Crash builds get even more bonkers once you've got Hidden Power and Dying Star unlocked and can set everything on fire (including yourself) which lets you ignore all the wimpy enemies that only exist long enough to get vaporized, in favor of stacking enough crash damage to oneshot the big things.


Other than "Nova Drift's tutorial ends when you unlock Mayhem difficulty" just play until you find whatever is fun for you. There are a lot of ways to roll, and Wild Metamorphosis is explicitly intended to make it more roguish and less predictable as to what mods you get, so it might be better to leave that off until you've got a feel for when to reroll or which mods to take in a given order.

silentsnack fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Nov 24, 2019

Lambo Trillrissian
May 18, 2007
Bows also no longer have a default 125% attack speed, which is a huge difference and was always a little goofy, and the Munitions tree is gone because it had just one too many shenanigans in a class with a lot of shenanigans going on. The class still has a really robust kit (the Reflexes tree is your friend,) it just didn't need 5 different sources of speed stacking on top of an already fast base attack speed.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Razakai posted:

I think I'll make a new thread for ToME seeing as it's getting a bit more interest post 1.6. Any good title suggestions? As much as I'd like to title it "Tales of Maj'eyal: I assume this is a Razakai class?" that's a bit self indulgent.

(p.s. I have a bunch of anni fixes ready to merge now, but nerfs and buffs will come later. turrets are certainly stronger now though just by being less dumb!)

If I were making the ToME thread, I would probably title it that. :v:

Your work on the game is a bigger part of the appeal of ToME to me than most of the original content.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Jedit posted:

More TOME Kombat: Annihilation

I just got a key for Nova Drift from Celerity, which was nice because I've been looking at it for a while and waiting for a sale. Can someone tell me more about how to get started?

It's asteroids with perks, there is no before play reading required just jump in and you'll figure it out.

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:

Jedit posted:

I just got a key for Nova Drift from Celerity, which was nice because I've been looking at it for a while and waiting for a sale. Can someone tell me more about how to get started?

Your first few hours will mostly be learning the basic mechanics. It'll feel like a pretty basic shmup at first, but it really kicks into overdrive once you've unlocked more gear/mods/challenges. I spent a lot of time just finding out what weapons I liked while getting as many of the weapon mods as possible and ignoring most anything else. Real boring way to play, looking back.

If there are gear/mods that make you think "why would I ever want this?", do a quick google/Youtube search to see if anyone's come up with a build for it. Seeing awesome builds in action is a surefire way to start thinking more creatively. I barely even touched constructs or crash damage until yesterday, and today they gave me my top two scoring runs.

Shmups aren't typically my style, but I've already clocked 22 hours after learning about this game's existence and buying it on sale this week. It has so much mechanical depth and while being super fast-paced, which is my crack. It's so easy to spend 20 minutes on a good run, die abruptly, then go "ok, one more try". And suddenly it's 5 hours later.

This Youtube channel's great for inspiration and showing off what crazy poo poo you can pull.

Chin Strap
Nov 24, 2002

I failed my TFLC Toxx, but I no longer need a double chin strap :buddy:
Pillbug
Nova Drift needs to get on switch

Arbetor
Mar 28, 2010

Gonna play tasty.

silentsnack posted:

Crash builds get even more bonkers once you've got Hidden Power and Dying Star unlocked and can set everything on fire (including yourself) which lets you ignore all the wimpy enemies that only exist long enough to get vaporized, in favor of stacking enough crash damage to oneshot the big things.

My absolute best run was in this vein. I went with a crash build, but kept my shield and focused on breaking the shield, with both upgrades that cause massive explosions when your shield breaks, and then rapidly getting it back up. No weapon, just shield explosions and collision damage.

I ended up walking away from the game, and it still took 3 or 4 minutes without any input from me before the ship exploded. And this was when the game was tossing multiple bosses at a time at me.

As a newer player, I found that drone and ally builds were the most reliable for me. Favorite run was going for the achievement to launch a certain number of salvo missiles at once, and using drones and allies to make up the damage while I saved missiles.

megane
Jun 20, 2008



You can make almost anything in ND work if you're crazy enough. I just broke a million with a build that had no weapon and instead killed things with the Halo shield (which does constant burning damage) and a ton of shield-damage-retaliation mods. My standard way of killing bosses was to blink inside of them, taking big chunks of damage in the process (normally if you want to crash into stuff you get a super-tough hull and/or disposable flash shields; I did neither of those), but triggering my retaliation shields repeatedly and instantly vaporizing the boss.

Just about the only things that you can't make work in the long run are the Helix shield (which is apparently going to be completely reworked) and poor unloved Salvo.

e: Well, there is a Salvo build, which I would describe as "do your best to pretend you're not using Salvo."

megane fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Nov 25, 2019

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.
Yeah Salvo was fun to me at first but eventually you're just making a construct build and if you're doing that you're probably better off using Blade. It's a cool idea for a weapon though and I hope they find a way to make it more viable

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
I like using salvo while putting together a crash damage build. It takes care of a lot of early game BS without requiring any investment into weapon trees. Of course, that's not quite the same as having a salvo-focused build.

The thing that seems pointless to me right now is the dickship viper. The venom stuff doesn't seem that great, and neither does +20% burn duration. Maybe if it were +20% burn damage.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Anyone play a Temporal Warden recently in TOME? It says the Arrow Stitching ability will swap to my bow if I have one in the other slot but it doesn't work, says I need a bow equipped. The Blade one that swaps instantly from bow to daggers works though.

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Anyone play a Temporal Warden recently in TOME? It says the Arrow Stitching ability will swap to my bow if I have one in the other slot but it doesn't work, says I need a bow equipped. The Blade one that swaps instantly from bow to daggers works though.

Yeah I was wondering about that as well. Thought I'd broken something via modding but 1.6/1.6.1 may have changed something.

e: apparently others have reported the same issue as well... http://forums.te4.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=50255

e2: as mentioned in that thread it looks like the problem is with Embers, because disabling it makes warden instaswap work again.

silentsnack fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Nov 25, 2019

Happylisk
May 19, 2004

Leisure Suit Barry '08
While we're talking about ToME, would it be worthwhile to choose the Adept prodigy as a psiblade/dreamhammer solipsist? I have points in lots of mitigation categories like fungus/antimagic/solipsism, and have to imagine that buffing all of them would be beneficial.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
It's been like 2 years since i played this and i wanna pick it back up. Might be time to finally unlock the wildfire and, uuh.. wild...ice? talents. But i'm at, uh *checks* 7k ice damage dealt out of a friggin million. Wanna play archmage with these two unlocked, so what are the best classes to unlock these talents that AREN'T archmage?

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

I am cool.
Just download a mod to unlock everything in ToME, that poo poo sucks.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

RyokoTK posted:

Just download a mod to unlock everything in ToME, that poo poo sucks.

yep

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

RyokoTK posted:

Just download a mod to unlock everything in ToME, that poo poo sucks.

I only play to unlock stuff, basically; when i mod it away, there's nothing left for me to play :shrug:

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

Frost Wyrmic would be your best bet maybe?

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

HenryEx posted:

I only play to unlock stuff, basically; when i mod it away, there's nothing left for me to play :shrug:

The unlock mod still lets you get achievements, even including the ones for "unlocking" characters. Play for those, get the gameplay benefits up front, best of both worlds.

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

Adventurer :v:

Take the Reaving Combat and Finer Energy Manipulations trees to triple-wield staves, then play as either an Alchemist/Archmage/Necromancer caster or a Reaver/Marauder/ArcaneBlade or for bonus points go pseudo-Warden

silentsnack fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Nov 25, 2019

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

...
...



if you're playing purely to unlock things in tome then presumably you'll eventually at some point over the next decade unlock the things and then i guess promptly stop playing and not use the things you unlocked?


???

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

That's why a key game design tenet is making one or two unlocks almost impossible :colbert:

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer

Johnny Joestar posted:

if you're playing purely to unlock things in tome then presumably you'll eventually at some point over the next decade unlock the things and then i guess promptly stop playing and not use the things you unlocked?


???

I'll use archmage w/ wildfire to unlock something else, duuuuh

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


This is making me want to reinstall ToME and try out one of the classes I haven't really given a fair shake, like Archer or Wyrmic

I don't think I can deal with the goddamn Prides again, though.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Johnny Joestar posted:

if you're playing purely to unlock things in tome then presumably you'll eventually at some point over the next decade unlock the things and then i guess promptly stop playing and not use the things you unlocked?


???
I won't answer for the guy, but sometimes I like working toward unlocking characters and whatnot because it helps with trying to decide what the hell kinda character I'm going to play, and gives me a metagoal to shoot for until the game's explicit goals start clicking.

Stelas
Sep 6, 2010

the real galaxy brain is to look at your 'Winners' page on the TOME4 site. You get a biiiig table full of empty cells to fill in.

Herbotron
Feb 25, 2013

Tangledeep expansion is out. I haven't had the chance to play it yet but it has dragons.

Ibram Gaunt
Jul 22, 2009

ToxicFrog posted:

This is making me want to reinstall ToME and try out one of the classes I haven't really given a fair shake, like Archer or Wyrmic

I don't think I can deal with the goddamn Prides again, though.

This latest patch did some stuff with them, dunno the extent yet.

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Too Shy Guy
Jun 14, 2003


I have destroyed more of your kind than I can count.



Herbotron posted:

Tangledeep expansion is out. I haven't had the chance to play it yet but it has dragons.

I'm playing it right now! https://www.twitch.tv/goldplatedgames

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