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Dapper_Swindler posted:its like i feel like the GOP is hosed either way. eithr they throw trump under the bus for the country and some lose the primaries or they gently caress everyone over and transparently let him walk and aquite, than they get crushed in 2020. I wish that I could have your optimism. I think Congressional Republicans are going to stick with Trump no matter what and rely upon, among other things, unprecedented amounts of SuperPAC money, their in-built advantages of the electoral college and state-level gerrymandering, and a potentially unpopular Democratic candidate to try holding in 2020. The fact that our president openly and proudly commits crimes in broad daylight is 100% cool with his supporters, in fact it's probably a plus for them. The GOP doesn't have to hold all houses of government or even win any, all that's needed to stop a progressive Democratic agenda is for them to fight close enough to make passing legislation extremely difficult. The overwhelming amounts of dark money that flowed into RNC congressional races in the month before the 2016 election should be the precedent for what their strategy will be here. As much as I'd like to believe that Trump will get annihilated in 2020 there's too much time between now and next November for the American public to even remember the specifics of impeachment. Much like the same way Trump killed DACA, or the Paris climate accords, or implemented travel bans on Muslim nations, or defended nazi rallies, or fired the FBI Director, or tried to ban transgender people from joining the military, or promoted a rapist to the Supreme Court. Fifty years or so ago when this administration began those actions might have caused a stir, but if you were to poll Republicans about all those things now they would say "actually I'm 100% okay with nazis." Such as it will be re: impeachment one year from now.
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FizFashizzle posted:Nunes is only on intelligence for some reason. For irony
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His point still holds true. Dems "okay you got me, I'll resign on Tuesday". Republicans go "gently caress you.". They defend each other in the face of overwhelming evidence and very rarely resign. At what point do the Democrats say enough is enough. You obviously aren't changing the Republican party, and the Dems just are fine with rolling over.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Katie Hill is a piece of poo poo who was using her position to exploit people. The revenge porn is loving gross as a concept but her lovely behavior is the root cause. Darko posted:Hill lost her seat because she pulled a Bill Clinton, etc. by abusing her authority by having sex with an underling; she just attempted to shift the narrative in what was essentially her resignation speech and a lot of people fall for the spin or just didn't care about what she did because they still don't see a problem with it. As mentioned, King was basically rendered completely ineffective. Your point is correct, but those are bad examples. She hired a person she was in a relationship with to work on her campaign staff. The photos were of the two of them during a poly amorous relationship with her now ex-husband. It wasn't "an affair". The story was sold by her estranged ex-husband to Red State, but more specifically to two writers at Red State who were campaign workers for the congressman she defeated in 2018, and who is running for the seat again in 2020. It's not ~good~ to be "sleeping with a campaign staffer", but it's not illegal or even a congressional ethics violation, and also not what she was doing. She hired a person she was in a relationship with to work on her campaign staff... something almost every congressman in America does when hiring their spouse. She didn't quit because of "the scandal". She quit because of the revenge porn. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Nov 24, 2019 |
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Zotix posted:His point still holds true. Dems "okay you got me, I'll resign on Tuesday". Republicans go "gently caress you.". They defend each other in the face of overwhelming evidence and very rarely resign. At what point do the Democrats say enough is enough. You obviously aren't changing the Republican party, and the Dems just are fine with rolling over. I think it depends on if you favor ethics over winning, and/or the ends justifying the means
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Chilichimp posted:She hired a person she was in a relationship with to work on her campaign staff. The photos were of the two of them during a poly amorous relationship with her now ex-husband. It wasn't "an affair". yeah fyi this particular story is a very, very common and horrible one for young lesbians. fall for older woman in position of power who uses you basically as a sex toy for her and her husband, split second husband starts feeling weird about it the whole thing collapses in hatred and recriminations and your sole remaining use is as blackmail reservoir for the divorce. it is, in fact, not good to be loving someone ten years younger than you who works for you. i would go as far as to say it is bad.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:yeah fyi this particular story is a very, very common and horrible one for young lesbians. Is there some evidence of wrongdoing or are we just supposed to assume every poly relationship is predatory?
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Chilichimp posted:katie hill Papercut posted:we just supposed to assume every poly relationship is predatory? this is a thread about the impeachment investigation, not USPOL, kindly take any arguments about katie hill or the Ethics Of Polygamy elsewhere
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eke out posted:this is a thread about the impeachment investigation, not USPOL, kindly take any arguments about katie hill or the Ethics Of Polygamy elsewhere Yeah, I'm super not the poster who started this, so, please also issue call-outs to the posters who started the derail. edit: but yeah I'll drop it, thank you. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Nov 24, 2019 |
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exquisite tea posted:I wish that I could have your optimism. I think Congressional Republicans are going to stick with Trump no matter what and rely upon, among other things, unprecedented amounts of SuperPAC money, their in-built advantages of the electoral college and state-level gerrymandering, and a potentially unpopular Democratic candidate to try holding in 2020. The fact that our president openly and proudly commits crimes in broad daylight is 100% cool with his supporters, in fact it's probably a plus for them. The GOP doesn't have to hold all houses of government or even win any, all that's needed to stop a progressive Democratic agenda is for them to fight close enough to make passing legislation extremely difficult. The overwhelming amounts of dark money that flowed into RNC congressional races in the month before the 2016 election should be the precedent for what their strategy will be here. As much as I'd like to believe that Trump will get annihilated in 2020 there's too much time between now and next November for the American public to even remember the specifics of impeachment. Much like the same way Trump killed DACA, or the Paris climate accords, or implemented travel bans on Muslim nations, or defended nazi rallies, or fired the FBI Director, or tried to ban transgender people from joining the military, or promoted a rapist to the Supreme Court. Fifty years or so ago when this administration began those actions might have caused a stir, but if you were to poll Republicans about all those things now they would say "actually I'm 100% okay with nazis." Such as it will be re: impeachment one year from now. i dont think the GOP will vanish or the dems will get magically better(they can but thats a different thread) i am just saying in the short term the GOP is between a rock and hard place and the Hardline chuds, the ones that cheer for every awful act are a minority and one they can solely rely on for a 2020 win. also all trump does is gently caress up and act like dumb prick, he has never done any good or noble actions and won't do any to win more people outside the chud sphere. I don't know why both USpol and now this thread go into deep states of melancholy at the drop of hat.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i dont think the GOP will vanish or the dems will get magically better(they can but thats a different thread) i am just saying in the short term the GOP is between a rock and hard place and the Hardline chuds, the ones that cheer for every awful act are a minority and one they can solely rely on for a 2020 win. also all trump does is gently caress up and act like dumb prick, he has never done any good or noble actions and won't do any to win more people outside the chud sphere. :nothingmatters: has been a problem since the Trump Threads of Yore.
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# ? Nov 24, 2019 17:18 |
this piece is a pretty good timeline of the Black Ledger story from Sergei Leshchenko https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1198611480557563905
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Chilichimp posted::nothingmatters: has been a problem since the Trump Threads of Yore. It's the combined PTSD of election night 2016 and the long, slow burn of watching Trump and McConnell destroy our institutions without repercussion for the past three years
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I don't know why both USpol and now this thread go into deep states of melancholy at the drop of hat.
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FilthyImp posted:The knowledge that slightly less than half of the dicks that dragged themselves to vote in 2016 saw a racist, doddering old sack of new money poo poo that wrapped himself in gold foil and empty promises and thought "yep, that's the guy!" is pretty depressing Yes, and that's where I was for a long time. On the plus side, only 60% of the voting age population showed up to vote. Add the fact that at least a certain percentage of voters are generally clueless or vote the way they do for very dumb reasons. This means that the truly aware Trump die harders are a small minority of the us population, probably less than 20% I've found it's helpful to look at it with this perspective to avoid feeling utter desperation. Hope is the best motivator for political action going forward
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Chilichimp posted::nothingmatters: has been a problem since the Trump Threads of Yore. sure but i don't get it. if we had multiple red waves than i would get it and i get that 2020 will still be fight but jesus, some of this nothing matters poo poo is dumb and weird as hell. FilthyImp posted:The knowledge that slightly less than half of the dicks that dragged themselves to vote in 2016 saw a racist, doddering old sack of new money poo poo that wrapped himself in gold foil and empty promises and thought "yep, that's the guy!" is pretty depressing and some of them probably hate him now, not for reasons we would agree with, but possibly enough that they will stay home. alot of those photos from his rallies show half empty stadiums with bored or sleeping chuds because trump doesnt get them upped anymore. he is just crying and bitching about the same 10 topics and than he blue balls them every time. DarkHorse posted:It's the combined PTSD of election night 2016 and the long, slow burn of watching Trump and McConnell destroy our institutions without repercussion for the past three years well make 2020 their repercussion than. these fuckers lost the house, make them lose everything else.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i dont think the GOP will vanish or the dems will get magically better(they can but thats a different thread) i am just saying in the short term the GOP is between a rock and hard place and the Hardline chuds, the ones that cheer for every awful act are a minority and one they can solely rely on for a 2020 win. also all trump does is gently caress up and act like dumb prick, he has never done any good or noble actions and won't do any to win more people outside the chud sphere. I don't want my skepticism to be misrepresented as Nothing Matters nihilism. I do think it's possible for things to get better, at least at the local level, and some regional progress has already been made. But I also think repeatedly hoping against hope that some new revelation will finally be the thing that sinks Trump's chances for re-election is naive if not somewhat ignorant to the deeper political underpinnings that got him elected in the first place. Trump voters know he's corrupt, they know he's a racist and a compulsive liar and all the bad things people say about him. They just don't give a poo poo. The best thing you can hope for is that enough of his base will sit out 2020 either out of disenchantment or embarrassment, but if 2018 and 2019's recent elections were anything to go by, he seems to draw out the opposition AND the base.
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# ? Nov 24, 2019 17:50 |
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1198652289738838016
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exquisite tea posted:I don't want my skepticism to be misrepresented as Nothing Matters nihilism. I do think it's possible for things to get better, at least at the local level, and some regional progress has already been made. But I also think repeatedly hoping against hope that some new revelation will finally be the thing that sinks Trump's chances for re-election is naive if not somewhat ignorant to the deeper political underpinnings that got him elected in the first place. Trump voters know he's corrupt, they know he's a racist and a compulsive liar and all the bad things people say about him. They just don't give a poo poo. The best thing you can hope for is that enough of his base will sit out 2020 either out of disenchantment or embarrassment, but if 2018 and 2019's recent elections were anything to go by, he seems to draw out the opposition AND the base. sorry, i wasn't trying to imply you were nothing matters, i more mean in general, also i dont think some new leak will destroy him, its more i think its just more and more nails in the coffin that don't help him any, their is no magic bullet and at the end of the day, trump is a symptom. nice. he is smart enough to know he is in deeper poo poo out and out denying it than just not answering.
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(Crossposting from USPOL because Natasha Bertrand's tweet on the same subject seems to have vanished) The movie that Devin Nunes thinks he's in sounds like a real trip. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Nov 24, 2019 |
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Already deleted. What did this say?
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# ? Nov 24, 2019 18:48 |
Mind_Taker posted:Already deleted. What did this say? just noting that he refuses to deny it actually happened
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Chilichimp posted::nothingmatters: has been a problem since the Trump Threads of Yore. This is very true. Its very hard to have hope when the last few decades have been just so crappy. I think the biggest :nothingmatters: aspect is that even if we get a progressive into the presidency we have to worry not only about the GOP fighting them every step of the way but also the democrats making it harder. Just look at how Pelosi has handled all the information that points towards impeachment. She pretty much had to be dragged into kicking and screaming. She is still trying to give trump a legislative win even as I write this.
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ManBoyChef posted:This is very true. Its very hard to have hope when the last few decades have been just so crappy. I think the biggest :nothingmatters: aspect is that even if we get a progressive into the presidency we have to worry not only about the GOP fighting them every step of the way but also the democrats making it harder. What you're describing is not "nothing matters." It's politics. That's the way things always work and always have worked.
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# ? Nov 24, 2019 19:01 |
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How long has rudy giuliani had brainworms? Is this just a few years or right after he left office in NYC?
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ManBoyChef posted:Just look at how Pelosi has handled all the information that points towards impeachment. She pretty much had to be dragged into kicking and screaming. She is still trying to give trump a legislative win even as I write this. Tbf, how could anyone have known that Trump would not "self-impeach"?
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Schiff Doesn’t Rule Out More Hearings But Says Evidence To Impeach Is ‘Overwhelming’quote:House Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff (D-CA) indicated that the case to impeach President Donald Trump is already strong enough to the point where additional hearings may not be necessary on Sunday.
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From the Daily Wire (i'm not linking because gently caress them and their ads)
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oxsnard posted:From the Daily Wire (i'm not linking because gently caress them and their ads) whistle past the graveyard 1. (idiomatic, US) To attempt to stay cheerful in a dire situation; to proceed with a task, ignoring an upcoming hazard, hoping for a good outcome.
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oxsnard posted:From the Daily Wire (i'm not linking because gently caress them and their ads) quote:They also haven’t interviewed the whistleblower. See this right here tips their hand that this article is full of poo poo and Republican talking points. They do not need to interview the whistleblower when they have multiple corroborations of the sequence of events and allegations that the whistleblower brought up. Nobody interviewed Deep Throat and yet Nixon was going to be impeached. e: not to mention the reason that Congress hasn't interviewed Giuliani which is that the Whitehouse would stonewall the gently caress out of it.
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why the hell is MSNBC saying Schiff and Swalwell aren't sure there is enough evidence to impeach yet
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actionjackson posted:why the hell is MSNBC saying Schiff and Swalwell aren't sure there is enough evidence to impeach yet that's almost literally the opposite of what he said in interviews today the only thing that even comes close is he said he wanted to finish his investigation and talk to colleagues and constituents before committing to vote for impeachment -- which is something no reasonable person would ever believe means anything but "I think I should look like I'm not rushing to judgment"
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https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/727604522156228608?s=20
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This just popped up at WaPo: White House review turns up emails showing extensive effort to justify Trump’s decision to block Ukraine military aid quote:
Quoted in full because gently caress WaPo's paywall.
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# ? Nov 24, 2019 21:29 |
https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1198736632331022336
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I'm hoping Parnas doesn't wind up doing the Flynn dance because I'm really enjoying this subplot.
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ewiley posted:. They also don't need Giuliani since Parnas is going to give them enough anyway. I think he is going to be the key in all this. I suspect that anything they could get from Giuliani, they can get from Parnas. I wouldn't be surprised if Parnas is also giving them stuff on Nunes. I don't think Swalwell would have gone after him so publically unless they had more information than had been shown. I think that was a major shot across the bow. I hope they all loving hang. SchrodingersCat fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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So, what is the wildest, most damning thing that could reasonably be on these tapes?
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Charlz Guybon posted:So, what is the wildest, most damning thing that could reasonably be on these tapes?
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Charlz Guybon posted:So, what is the wildest, most damning thing that could reasonably be on these tapes? Trump, Giuliani, and parnas discussing how to set up a trump tower Moscow deal with Putin if they can gently caress over Ukraine enough by cutting military funding. I mean, that's MOST DAMAGING POSSIBLE, not saying it's likely.
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