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Guys I made it to the thread title, my posting career has peaked.
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Nov 25, 2019 01:03
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So basically they found out that he blocked the aid for political reasons after the fact, and so they made up legit reasons for it afterwards?
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Nov 25, 2019 01:09
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Charlz Guybon posted:So, what is the wildest, most damning thing that could reasonably be on these tapes? "Make sure the Falcons blow that lead."
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Nov 25, 2019 01:10
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I've been following this all too closely since the Ukraine story broke in September and I am starting to feel a bit of fatigue with the fact that every successive 'revelation' has *seemed* worse for Trump, and yet at the same time it also *seems* to make absolutely no difference at all. What disturbs me is how adjusted I feel to Republican talking points that are patently false and not based in any sort of logical reality, yet... It all keeps getting reported as if it is fact. It actually feels like that pattern has been slowly ramping up in volume since the 2004 election, and it started out as whispers and it's now reached a screeching pitch that not only drowns out all other discourse but makes logical discourse near-impossible. The subtlety with which it's happened and the degree to which we've become inured to it is the most frightening thing. And it's not as if one "wins" by rejecting it all out of hand, you have to actively repair political discourse in a republic when it grows this toxic, and I don't know if that's even something that's possible to do in the 21st century.
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Nov 25, 2019 01:22
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FizFashizzle posted:"Make sure the Falcons blow that lead." That's one way to lose Georgia I guess.
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Nov 25, 2019 01:34
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Charlz Guybon posted:That's one way to lose Georgia I guess. I mean, most of GA doesn't give a poo poo about the Falcons, so probably not.
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Nov 25, 2019 02:02
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kaworu posted:I've been following this all too closely since the Ukraine story broke in September and I am starting to feel a bit of fatigue with the fact that every successive 'revelation' has *seemed* worse for Trump, and yet at the same time it also *seems* to make absolutely no difference at all. Depends on your definition of "no difference" and how quickly and how big you think a "difference" should happen. As a thought experiment, ask yourself how you were thinking things would turn out before and after the whistle blower event happened.
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Nov 25, 2019 02:03
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Charlz Guybon posted:So, what is the wildest, most damning thing that could reasonably be on these tapes? PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS It Piß
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Nov 25, 2019 02:45
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Failed Imagineer posted:PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I said reasonable.
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Nov 25, 2019 02:55
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https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/1198793778645159937quote:The lawyer for an indicted business associate of Rudy Giuliani said his client is prepared to testify under oath that aides to Rep. Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, scrapped a trip to Ukraine this year when they realized it would mean notifying Democratic Chairman Rep. Adam Schiff.
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Nov 25, 2019 03:58
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They'd have had to notify him because of the travel, or because they were meeting with officials of a foreign government? This has to be illegal somehow but I'm gonna need some nerd to tell me how, I think
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Nov 25, 2019 04:40
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https://twitter.com/joe_palazzolo/status/1198811099589697537
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Nov 25, 2019 05:00
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are these dudes for real or are they pushing conspiracy theories to try and wrap others up in their bullshit?
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Nov 25, 2019 05:06
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This is more than likely the next step in whatever Russia's plan is. Those two Shreks obviously are not the masterminds here. They likely have had support and funding from Russia. Lev is also not going to flip unless he was told to. If I had to guess they are going to air everything that has been done and show that all of the GOP is currently in cahoots with Russia. The reasoning is likely two fold, they can read the tea leaves and can tell that they are sunk in the upcoming elections and to sow more distrust and dissension in the West. If all those conspiracy minded MAGA heads get told that dear leader and all of his henchmen were actually taking orders from Russia it would cause them to distrust all government and news going forward. 20-30% of the population angry, paranoid and distrusting is a powderkeg waiting to explode. Chaos in America would be exactly what Russia and China would want to further their goals. It's a lot harder to fight them when theoretically you would be fighting an insurgency at home.
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Nov 25, 2019 05:22
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Regardless of how it happens, there's gonna be some violence when Trump leaves office
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Nov 25, 2019 05:23
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Strange Poon posted:are these dudes for real or are they pushing conspiracy theories to try and wrap others up in their bullshit? I mean, it's not inconceivable that they were trying all of this ridiculous poo poo, and then are totally cool with the chaos created by exposing it once they get taken down. This is kinda why it's a bad idea to get wrapped up in this kind of illegal poo poo as a high level politician, these guys don't give a poo poo who gets taken down with them. If we were to assume that this is actively backed by Russia, as opposed to idiots just trying to blackmail a vulnerable nation once they have Trump's ear, then Russia doesn't give a poo poo about the actual outcome. Either Ukraine gets hosed over or America gets thrown into more chaos. They actually managed to get both, with the added bonus of hurting US/Ukrainian relations. The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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Nov 25, 2019 05:41
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ewiley posted:See this right here tips their hand that this article is full of poo poo and Republican talking points. They do not need to interview the whistleblower when they have multiple corroborations of the sequence of events and allegations that the whistleblower brought up. Nobody interviewed Deep Throat and yet Nixon was going to be impeached. I thought this was pretty obvious as well until the mega chud in my office brought up the whistleblower out of the loving blue. Fox News is apparently still treating it like the whistleblower is the sole source of this information. It’s insane, and yet she’s apparently lapping this poo poo up.
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Nov 25, 2019 06:17
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Baronash posted:I thought this was pretty obvious as well until the mega chud in my office brought up the whistleblower out of the loving blue. Fox News is apparently still treating it like the whistleblower is the sole source of this information. It’s insane, and yet she’s apparently lapping this poo poo up. Because these people are insane and live in another reality and listen to nothing else
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Nov 25, 2019 13:13
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The Glumslinger posted:I mean, it's not inconceivable that they were trying all of this ridiculous poo poo, and then are totally cool with the chaos created by exposing it once they get taken down. This is kinda why it's a bad idea to get wrapped up in this kind of illegal poo poo as a high level politician, these guys don't give a poo poo who gets taken down with them. i doubt its directly russia outside them telling trump or some other chuds some bullshit and the chuds doing what chuds do.
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Nov 25, 2019 13:17
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So... is the impeachment getting less support as the hearings continue? If so, why?
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Nov 25, 2019 13:53
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Baronash posted:I thought this was pretty obvious as well until the mega chud in my office brought up the whistleblower out of the loving blue. Fox News is apparently still treating it like the whistleblower is the sole source of this information. It’s insane, and yet she’s apparently lapping this poo poo up. I forget which Dem committee member brought it up, but the reasoning about the whistleblower is basically the fire department showing up but refusing to fight the fire until the person who pulled the fire alarm is identified and interviewed about why they thought the building was on fire, while the building burns down behind them.
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Nov 25, 2019 13:58
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Xander77 posted:So... is the impeachment getting less support as the hearings continue? If so, why? One poll with a terrible sample of landline-only respondents showed lower support for impeachment and all of a sudden everyone's loving pulling the fire alarm.
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Nov 25, 2019 13:59
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Any big stuff happening today? I am well rested after the weekend and need to get stressed and angry post haste.
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Nov 25, 2019 14:22
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cr0y posted:Any big stuff happening today? I am well rested after the weekend and need to get stressed and angry post haste. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvGmOZ5T6_Y
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Nov 25, 2019 14:27
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cr0y posted:Any big stuff happening today? I am well rested after the weekend and need to get stressed and angry post haste. The decision in McGahn that John Bolton is (ostensibly) going to use as a guide as to whether or not he testifies to Congress.
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Nov 25, 2019 14:32
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lol jesus the NYT just got interviews with Firtash and Kolomoisky https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1198917118693171201 https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1198960622907604992 https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1198965861123526657 it's amazing to me that Firtash's defense is "I don't know nothing about any Biden conspiracy, I was simply hiring them to corruptly influence the criminal investigation into me" eke out fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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Nov 25, 2019 15:10
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Has Biden's numbers in the polls changed much since all the corruption talk about him and his family?
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Nov 25, 2019 16:01
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vincentpricesboner posted:Has Biden's numbers in the polls changed much since all the corruption talk about him and his family? eke out posted:please dear god no primarychat in this thread, keep it to the proper quarantine zone
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Nov 25, 2019 16:04
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just tweet through it https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1198985975298449409 i should note that neither of these denials are actually about facts that are alleged: rudy's proxies (Parnas, Furman) met with Firtash, not him, and the Shokin meeting also included his proxies not him eke out fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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Nov 25, 2019 16:33
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eke out posted:just tweet through it Well which is it, Rudy, were you trying to help your client get re-elected or not? What a lovely fixer who's not even digging up dirt on his client's main political opponent!
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Nov 25, 2019 16:37
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i dunno why but the question mark at the end of "Law suit?" has me laughing
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Nov 25, 2019 18:14
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Law <space> suit He's a lawyer. A. Lawyer.
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Nov 25, 2019 18:20
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Strange Poon posted:i dunno why but the question mark at the end of "Law suit?" has me laughing "I'm Rudy Giuliani?"
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Nov 25, 2019 18:23
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cr0y posted:Law <space> suit Y’know, you got your law suit, your interview suit, your white collar criming suit, your international criming suit...
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Nov 25, 2019 18:30
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Maybe I am not remembering it correctly but didn't they say each house committee was going to complete their own impeachment hearings on topics such as trump emoluments?
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Nov 25, 2019 18:45
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Maybe I am not remembering it correctly but didn't they say each house committee was going to complete their own impeachment hearings on topics such as trump emoluments? no, all the articles of impeachment are reviewed (drafted?) by the judiciary before they go for vote on the floor
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Nov 25, 2019 18:49
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oxsnard posted:no, all the articles of impeachment are reviewed (drafted?) by the judiciary before they go for vote on the floor yeah HPSCI will write a "report" and transmit it to the Judiciary, which will then most likely hold hearings of its own (not longform evidentiary hearings like last week, although if they can get McGahn that'd be the exception) and then draft Articles. the reason for wanting McGahn is that they'd like to include an Article about obstructing the Mueller investigation as well Schiff also says that even if they write a report now they can always supplement it later, and HPSCI will continue investigating/holding hearings as necessary. at this point, I strongly suspect Parnas will be deposed at bare minimum
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Nov 25, 2019 18:53
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eke out posted:yeah Oh okay, that makes sense
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Nov 25, 2019 19:06
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eviltastic posted:Y’know, you got your law suit, your interview suit, your white collar criming suit, your international criming suit... Rudy is going to show up to testify in his birthday suit.
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