OwlFancier posted:

Perhaps there are other motivators for why people might work other than to become a millionaire, perhaps there are motivators for people to work that does not result in them having a position of power over other people?

Plank Sanction posted:

First day of the UCU strike! We're a bit isolated from other, more 'excitable' branches down here in Falmouth, but we had some good reactions from passers by and students.

Especially positive reactions from bus drivers!

Note, this is Exeter University's campus in Cornwall. Falmouth University itself is not striking.

Braggart posted:

Edit: I have 329 crabs. Which kind? Try to guess!

OwlFancier posted:

Does labour have any actual transpeople giving input at the top? Also why are there so many weird terfs getting their ear? Why are there so many weird terfs in general actually, can we not ban them or something?

Failed Imagineer posted:

Creating art is also work you numpty

Purple Prince posted:

Lord Hambrose doesn't understand the difference between a market in goods and services and capitalism.

Rarity posted:

They appointed Monroe Bergdorf as a trans advisor and then a bunch of transphobes got mad and made her quit

OwlFancier posted:

Does labour have any actual transpeople giving input at the top? Also why are there so many weird terfs getting their ear? Why are there so many weird terfs in general actually, can we not ban them or something?

OwlFancier posted:

Bah. Pidcock really seems like she's trying to placate both sides and the impression it gives me is much like politicians trying to talk about technology, or other things they don't really understand.

Fuckin terfs, I wish they'd all gently caress off and go pearl clutch somewhere else.

xtothez posted:

Beefeater1980 posted:

I thought I read somewhere they are bringing it back, was I hallucinating?

Beefeater1980 posted:

I thought I read somewhere they are bringing it back, was I hallucinating?

Chucat posted:

I don't want to derail but basically Forge World, which is basically 40k for rich people (just let that sink in for a moment) announced they might reintroduce old Warhammer in 3 years or something as another game.

coffeetable posted:

way off topic here, but here's my only awareness of warhammer



i mean, just, what?! did they start making the miniatures out of cocaine

coffeetable posted:

way off topic here, but here's my only awareness of warhammer



i mean, just, what?! did they start making the miniatures out of cocaine

Lord_Hambrose posted:

Fair. But unless you are producing art to sell, you are not part of the economic system.

Lord_Hambrose posted:

I believe that specialists are important, so owning a company that is doing well and producing goods and services that are popular should be rewarded more than owning a company that does not. If someone else is doing a better job than you, people will choose the better product.

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

It's not stopped the absolute fuckin worst segments of the WHFB fanbase from declaring SEE EVEN GW HATES AOS despite AoS selling more than WHFB ever did, mind.

Guavanaut posted:

Can't wait until 3D printers are good enough to make warhams and spessmans, it's one market that could do with disrupting.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Isn't that just because since the change of management GW is actually advertising again? The AoS starter box sold horribly.

Spangly A posted:

real talk there is a v notable de Pfeffel hairline and a real notable de Pfeffel hair ruffle that goes with the de Pfeffel slur when attempting humour

google his dad, its pretty funny


taxes do not properly control an economy if you don't have something to act as capital control. It can be soft standardised exchanges, like breton-woods, or hard capital controls, like everyone that actually recovered from the financial crisis used.

Capital behaves in extremely predictable ways under capitalism because, while there is a significant element of random/chance events that gets passed off as "rewarding innovation", there are also well understood acts that guarantee success if competently executed - anything that gives you a monopoly is a win condition.

It's not a coincidence that none of the world's biggest companies pay taxes, it is an inevitability. Multinationals, especially ones based on non-productive capital, are not reliant on any specific infrastructure to maintain profits. Many of them don't even make obvious (to the taxman) profits. Some simply don't make any money.

What unites them is the existence of financial capital, utilising the likes of Uber and Deliveroo to destroy entire sectors, so that they can later attempt to build a monopoly or expand their share of the larger oligarcy. The very existence of this non-productive capital is always a threat to the economies it operates in because it doesn't need to produce anything, just try to encourage any monopoly, eventually, from afar, while externalising all costs. This capital even prefers warzones as being harder to govern or unionise, less likely to resist. This doesn't fail easily. They don't "lose" when it does. Will your taxes govern South Sudan? can it stop you being attacked by the companies that gorge themselves there?

So if what you're saying is "Keynes was right, also abolish the stock markets, end all speculative banking, abolish financial markets, use aggressive monetary policy to ensure green, renewable-based development continues, ban holding a debt longer than 7 years, repatriate all stagnant and accumulating wealth, ban migration of private capital, ban offshore ownership, ban rent-seeking behaviour, kill literally everyone violating these diktat" then yes, that might be a capitalism that doesn't kill ten million every five years just to store half of the wealth of the entire planet in a cayman filing cabinet.

We live in the world that does keep its money in the filing cabinet. We live in the world that does see wealth accumulate, where capital behaves in this manner. We live in the world where the small bit of money your government can reach might stop a few locals starving on the streets, but the murderers have most of it, and them having so much means you can't predict or control the price of food so well.

If you're willing to stop the blatantly unethical parasitism of our economy, then how far do you even have left until socialism? If we are to go that far, why not further? what good even exists here?

You got a better choice in your clothes, food, and entertainment before those things became proper commodities.

Stop letting corporations kill innovation and competition. Stop letting them kill people. Stop letting them kill the future.

Stop letting them exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKDD1H-Hlpc

Guavanaut posted:

Can't wait until 3D printers are good enough to make warhams and spessmans, it's one market that could do with disrupting.

OwlFancier posted:

Stephen. You have 329 Stephen Crabbs, a terrible thing.

Lord_Hambrose posted:

If someone else is doing a better job than you, people will choose the better product.

Azza Bamboo posted:

This is just a dig at the man's appearance.

Chucat posted:

5) They actually started talking to their community and worked out how the internet worked.

quote:

Games Workshop has no debt and its only equity action came last year when former chairman Tom Kirby offloaded 20 million pounds worth of shares. Taken together, one might question why it wants to be a public company.

Read more at: https://www.bloombergquint.com/markets/goblin-warriors-and-elves-have-returned-1-000-since-brexit
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Plank Sanction posted:

First day of the UCU strike! We're a bit isolated from other, more 'excitable' branches down here in Falmouth, but we had some good reactions from passers by and students.

Especially positive reactions from bus drivers!

Note, this is Exeter University's campus in Cornwall. Falmouth University itself is not striking.

coffeetable posted:

way off topic here, but here's my only awareness of warhammer



i mean, just, what?! did they start making the miniatures out of cocaine

Chucat posted:

Okay so short version:

1) They got a new CEO who is not really loving bad.

Spangly A posted:

so you agree with Marx then? the only way you'll get this is by ending private ownership of the means of production, because "people chose the better product" doesn't happen under capitalism. It can't happen under capitalism. Take Steve Jobs. If you think a dipshit cult leader made the best phone imaginable you'd clearly be nuts - what gave him that advantage? Was it an understanding of technology only accessible to polo-wearing homeopaths? or was it the fact that, accounting for infrastructure, advertising budget, r&d budget, supply chains and brand awareness, he had less actual competitors than I have fingers?

I can tell the difference between t-shirts and doctors just fine. And I can tell you that just because those things are different, this doesn't imply that either are best suited to being run as monopolies by specific corporations.

Socialism isn't about ending markets, or competition, or not rewarding talent appropriately. It isn't about everything being run as a state monopoly. It is a long list of many competing ideas, and the relevant part in common here is that all socialisms agree that one individual cannot ethically claim the profits of an entire corporation or industry, and that creativity, entrepeneurship, and competition suffer when this happens.

Its completely fine to want to see success rewarded, or to see good products spread in a vibrant marketplace, or to want drs to be paid more than most people. It is completely socialist to want those things, and it is completely fair as long as anyone with the ability can actually become a dr, without being ground into dust by poverty inflicted by rent-seekers.

Capitalism is about having more money than a country because your great grandad was a nazi collaborator even though your family have been sharing braincells ever since and encountering somebody that works for a living has become a notable event. That is the nature of the liberal ownership of private property, of hereditary ownership of the means of production. It is a pointless burden to any and every market it infects.

Bobby Deluxe posted:

With that in mind I'm going to guess he actually plays 4th ed 40k, Imperial Guard with an army built around a baneblade and Grey Knight terminators.

ronya posted:

every socialist who has ever argued for the destabilizing tendency of market competition, or the waste and duplication of work prior to consolidation under nationalization, is spinning in their graves...