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Mayman10 posted:Probably meant the horrendous racism and crippling opioid addiction That doesn't relate to the comment: "The British sucked so much money out of us", which would be more insightful to hear further about.
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Nov 25, 2019 17:03
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:yeah i mean you were preemptively complaining about voter fraud like american right wingers do, even when their camp wins the election is it really preemptive if i was complaining after the fraud happened
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Nov 25, 2019 17:11
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Kill All Cops posted:is it really preemptive if i was complaining after the fraud happened you literally made the free stuff accusation even before the votes were counted
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Nov 25, 2019 17:15
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man great to see all the Dengists ITT are having a very good and normal one about this all
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Nov 25, 2019 17:20
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Catboy Autonomist posted:man great to see all the Dengists ITT are having a very good and normal one about this all backing the US/UK sponsored right wingers to own the...dengists???
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Nov 25, 2019 17:25
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:backing the US/UK sponsored right wingers to own the...dengists??? Are you at all surprised that a guy with an anarchist flag in his av is anti-ccp
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Nov 25, 2019 17:31
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https://twitter.com/yungkitty404/status/1198711646174228481?s=21 #pedos4hk
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Nov 25, 2019 17:32
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Grapplejack posted:Are you at all surprised that a guy with an anarchist flag in his av is anti-ccp no, ancoms are just risible figures
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Nov 25, 2019 17:43
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:because last time it was offered up in 2014 the entire city erupted in massive rioting, and that was a relatively benign deal where Beijing only reserved the right to veto candidates who were openly seditious this isn't parody?
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Nov 25, 2019 17:45
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t have an informed opinion on British rule versus China but it should be obvious that when someone says “actually it sucked under Britain too” that this is true, because Britain treated everyone like poo poo. it does depend on time period - the Hong Kong colonial administration modernized only under Murray MacLehose from 1971. It was under MacLehose that the Hong Kong government took on a recognizable "modern Western state form" featuring essentials such as compulsory primary and secondary education, instead of the colonial standard of neglect. Massively exploded the scale and ambition of mass public housing programmes, mass transit, universities, schools, hospitals, etc - transformation of the New Territories from swamps to New Towns. A modern Hong Kong identity dates largely from this period. Which is not to say that there can't be political dissatisfaction, but things are relative, even amongst comparable Asian tiger states. It wasn't altogether benevolence (the 1967 leftist riots had sent a message that even though the CCP did not want to reclaim Hong Kong immediately, as Nehru had over Goa, and indeed openly accepted continued British colonial government on conditions, it did not need to for the colonial grip to be seriously challenged by domestic dissatisfaction) and it wasn't pukka sahib far-sightedness - Hong Kong did not substantially alter tax levels throughout and the explosion in the size of government budgets stemmed largely from the explosion in the city's economic output as well in the East Asian tiger period. It had money, and it spent it on measures considered fairly technocratic/sensible by the 1970s standards of the government in the metropole. Still, someone's aunt is unlikely to be much older than the 1970s.
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Nov 25, 2019 20:17
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"Trade Wars, Conflicts and Global Governance" discussion panel at Bucharest Forum last month, featuring a Chinese guy, a Japanese and an European. The Chinese guy is Jin Canrong. Jin is vice principle of People's University. He does a lot of strategic think tank talks all over China. I listen to his talks on youtube because he is very funny. I guess he is closest of Chinese version of nationalist radio talk host. What's special about he is that he can make down to earth easy to understand analogies to normal listeners, and funny communist party jokes, probably because he is fairly high ranking, and has connection to the top. He is basically a cheerleader of the Chinese side in the The trade war thread is kind of dead I thought I post it here.
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Nov 25, 2019 20:56
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Lol did you literally just entirely write off the Japanese dude because he has an accent and didn’t even listen to him you racist gently caress? Even the auto detected subtitles mostly understood him jackass.
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Nov 25, 2019 21:07
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LimburgLimbo posted:Lol did you literally just entirely write off the Japanese dude because he has an accent and didn’t even listen to him you racist gently caress? No, I actually listen to him. I had to find a version of the video with chinese subtitle to understand him. I haven't found a version with Eng subtitle yet. He focused mostly on Monetary policy/trade and comparison between Japan and China. Jin focused mostly on the big picture stuff. Also the UK guy was good, he should be the host.
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Nov 25, 2019 21:13
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MrMoo posted:That doesn't relate to the comment: "The British sucked so much money out of us", which would be more insightful to hear further about. "Treated us like dirt... Grew up poor and discriminated" It related.
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Nov 25, 2019 21:34
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Nov 25, 2019 22:12
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:29 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Nov 25, 2019 22:21
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Given that I have evidently already pissed off people here, I'll just say that I am not particularly interested in picking sides between the world's big capitalist powers and that they'll back anything regardless of ideology if they think they can use it for a short-term advantage. That said, I think the HK protests are worthy of more in-depth analysis rather than just reducing everything to Cold War-era campism, as bad as the flagwavers are (the flagwavers from what I've actually heard from them tend to be people who buy into that thinking in a naive way). If anything I'd argue the CCP has come across as more savvy in recognizing shared interests w regard to preventing civil unrest from spreading globally, which is where you get poo poo like them posting Trump and Macron quotes on the importance of law and order on their official Twitter accounts that everybody made fun of. Anyway this is worth reading (skip to the interview part)
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Nov 25, 2019 23:14
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Mayman10 posted:"Treated us like dirt... Grew up poor and discriminated" It's just old person grandstanding. Aunty by definition is a HK immigrant and clearly liked it here better than China.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:01
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You can be miserable in China, move to Hong Kong, and then think the colonial government is also bad. Two things can be bad at the same time. She may be referring to a tax arrangement. In the modern SAR, Hong Kong taxes go only to the Hong Kong government, not to Beijing. I don't know if maybe colonial era taxes went back to London? Or she might be referring to the British taipan corporations, like Swire, which created a lot of wealth in Hong Kong that benefited only British shareholders. Although Hong Kong Chinese property taipans ultimately made guys like Swire look bush league.
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Nov 26, 2019 01:42
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:you literally made the free stuff accusation even before the votes were counted Do you understand how time works
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Nov 26, 2019 04:18
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Kill All Cops posted:Do you understand how time works "Imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff. Say a direct copy of the ball nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of balls and takes the place of the first ball. The formerly first ball becomes the second, the second becomes the third, and the fourth falls off the cliff."
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Nov 26, 2019 04:26
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Horseshoe theory posted:"Imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff. Say a direct copy of the ball nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of balls and takes the place of the first ball. The formerly first ball becomes the second, the second becomes the third, and the fourth falls off the cliff." ...then you give two of the balls pillows, and another two white shirts and machetes.
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Nov 26, 2019 05:13
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Atopian posted:...then you give two of the balls pillows, and another two white shirts and machetes. Yo I'd vote for a machete, that's badass
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Nov 26, 2019 06:43
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the fact there wasn't a creepy looking white dude on the pillow box is kinda suspicious
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Nov 26, 2019 06:55
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The CCP's idea of voter suppression is laughably amateur hour. The USA has had that poo poo on lock for over a century.
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Nov 26, 2019 08:40
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https://twitter.com/haamyu/status/1199085604702691334 https://twitter.com/Comparativist/status/1199094648276279296?p=v the word belief is really throwing me off here this account sets off a lot of mixed signals https://twitter.com/Comparativist/status/1198981016351756288?p=v https://twitter.com/Comparativist/status/1198994598183358464?s=19 Some Guy TT has issued a correction as of 14:37 on Nov 26, 2019 |
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Nov 26, 2019 14:33
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STOP KILLING US indeed
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Nov 26, 2019 19:37
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so are these camps real or what I don't know what to believe anymore
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Nov 26, 2019 22:50
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KaptainKrunk posted:so are these camps real or what I don't know what to believe anymore well theres all the primary sourced documents, satellite footage, and witnesses otoh the chinese government said its all fake news so who knows right 
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Nov 26, 2019 23:12
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KaptainKrunk posted:so are these camps real or what I don't know what to believe anymore I recommend being an ethnic cleansing skeptic, which is different from am ethnic cleansing denier, because you can't deny an event that may not have happened.
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Nov 27, 2019 01:28
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Just found this and wanted to share: "The Communists are deceitful in many ways, ruthless and brutal when it suits their purposes, and completely treacherous by Western standards; but they are incorruptible." –Robert P. Newman, 1961
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Nov 27, 2019 01:30
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KaptainKrunk posted:so are these camps real or what I don't know what to believe anymore the camps exist - any kind of skepticism is based on the spectrum of "feeding Uighurs into a wood chipper" to "merely only replicating something on the scale of Canadian First Nations peoples education policy + FDR-era internment camps"
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Nov 27, 2019 01:45
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gradenko_2000 posted:the camps exist - any kind of skepticism is based on the spectrum of "feeding Uighurs into a wood chipper" to "merely only replicating something on the scale of Canadian First Nations peoples education policy + FDR-era internment camps" That and skepticism about what should/could be done about it. An international boycott of China might work like it did with South Africa and apartheid but, oops, the rest of the world has spent the last 20 years outsourcing industrial production to China so it'd make the world economy collapse like a house of cards. 
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Nov 27, 2019 02:05
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Kassad posted:That and skepticism about what should/could be done about it. An international boycott of China might work like it did with South Africa and apartheid but, oops, the rest of the world has spent the last 20 years outsourcing industrial production to China so it'd make the world economy collapse like a house of cards. China also has nuclear weapons so that also limits what, if anything, can feasibly be done.
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Nov 27, 2019 04:07
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The whole thing with the camps has followed the Trump news cycle pattern: "There are no camps!" (Evidence of camps emerges) "The camps are tiny!" (Evidence of large scale emerges) "People are there voluntarily!" (Evidence of involuntary detention emerges) "People there are treated well!" (Evidence of mistreatment emerges) ...so I mean it's just extrapolation, but there's definitely a trend here. If it were genuinely a bland non-abusive reeducation thing, why all the lies along the way? So sure, ignore the evidence from witnesses and leaked cables if you want - they might be produced or paid for by the CIA or whoever - but the stuff described above is a sequence of things that the government first denied then acknowledged, and it is not flattering.
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Nov 27, 2019 05:39
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its really cute how youre describing this process as trumpian as if such falsehoods were unheard of before 11/9
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Nov 27, 2019 05:56
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Some Guy TT posted:its really cute how youre describing this process as trumpian as if such falsehoods were unheard of before 11/9 Many organisations previously seemed to show either a little caution, or shame, or concern that near-future developments might render their current statements inadvisable. Or they made their statements in more vague or deniable ways. Turns out that sort of thing was wasted effort all along, and here we are in the new normal.
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Nov 27, 2019 06:11
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Video of the Tiger Chair in action https://twitter.com/gerryshih/status/1199525930156216320 https://twitter.com/StephenMcDonell/status/1199557502255263746 Kill All Cops has issued a correction as of 06:19 on Nov 27, 2019 |
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Nov 27, 2019 06:17
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no they didnt literal nazis followed that exact same script with the holocaust and americans havent been much better with their various crimes against humanity
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Nov 27, 2019 06:19
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Some Guy TT posted:no they didnt literal nazis followed that exact same script with the holocaust and americans havent been much better with their various crimes against humanity Powerful defense of the Chinese concentration camps in a forum full of people who will happily denounce America and American camps and American imperialism
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