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Victory Position posted:his grandfather is still suspect in putting an ice pick to Trotsky, so take that as you will Will's good now.
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mila kunis posted:*clearing throat* Frankly I'm waiting on the wholr season to come out
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StashAugustine posted:Frankly I'm waiting on the wholr season to come out That might be a good idea. Mike's doing a really good job of taking us step-by-step through ideological evolution in 19th century Russia. It's all interesting and worth listening to, but holy poo poo this is taking so long I want my Leninism.
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Dr. Killjoy posted:I don’t want to have sex with amber but I do want to see her bouncing on Contrapoints dick while the movieblob is forced to watch Ludovico technique style and Matt Christman is desperately trying to watch an 18 hour Civil War documentary in peace 
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Ace of Baes posted:everyone points out "amber defenders" but all of the same people would also be calling you idiots if you were posting dumb and made up poo poo about will or Matt or Felix, for some reason despite having nearly identical politics and problematic associations all of the hatred and vitriol gets aimed at Amber though 🤔 That would only make sense if the other Chapos were as profilic on writing on a serious tone for other publications as her. If, let's say, Will Menaker went around on publications talking about the issues facing the left as a figure of authority on it, he would get as much poo poo! I can find her writing printed here and translated, and I heavily suspect she was behind that Financial Times piece praising the left wing coalition that our press shat their pants about for weeks a few months ago. Now that I have my hand on the baking dough: I do have a problem with something she wrote recently: On her piece on why Busytown likes Bernie, she pairs Graphical Designers (in particular freelance types) with like heads of NgOs and such. Ok, then why do I, every few days or so, get frenetic adverts on my feed for artists and such telling they really need commissions desperatly for rent and grocery money? Kunster has issued a correction as of 11:30 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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Nov 25, 2019 11:14
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Amber is the only one without an alt-right doppelganger, so either she's completely pure or she is in fact the evil twin.
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if you wring your hands at nagle being friends with chapo but not mullen youre a sexist. this post is a joke pleas e dont engage with it
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Skellybones posted:Amber is the only one without an alt-right doppelganger, so either she's completely pure or she is in fact the evil twin. Who do you think are the doppelganger pairs?
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Nov 25, 2019 12:05
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the latest episode of "lions led by donkeys" is the start of a series on the phillippine-american war and jesus christ everyone involved is so loving stupid and evil. spain and america agree to peace terms but the spanish need to save face so they have a fake battle for manila where the spanish, during a fake battle, still kill 40+ of their own people
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Nov 25, 2019 12:22
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StashAugustine posted:Frankly I'm waiting on the wholr season to come out It's gonna be almost French Revolution long so it'll be like a year
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Nov 25, 2019 12:44
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Bro Dad posted:It's gonna be almost French Revolution long so it'll be like a year Almost? I'd be stunned if it doesn't outlast it by a considerable margin. We're not even to 1905 yet, or the Okhranka.
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Nov 25, 2019 13:13
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TheBalor posted:Who do you think are the doppelganger pairs?  Good news, the not-Matt one is dead.
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TheBalor posted:I feel like it was better when there was a chapo-only thread, because the vast majority of podcast discussion here is Chapo or Chapo adjacent, and that's where all the really weird/boring stuff that goes on for pages and drowns out everything else happens. Fall of Rome and Tides of History by Patrick Wyman. Fall of Rome is gonna cover the tail end of the History of Rome, but since Wyman did his PhD on the late Roman Empire and has resources and knowledge that Duncan doesn't (like being able to read Latin). He takes a different tack, and is less focused on the grand narrative and spends more time digging into the material circumstances of the age, and draws much more from the archaeological and environmental record and also uses far more primary source materials that aren't the rich historians of the times to try and fill in what living in the collapsing western empire would've been like for the 'common' people of the empire, and what the lives of the so-called barbarians were like. Duncan does a great job with his series, but Fall of Rome is a great companion which gives a ton more texture to the period. Tides of History is broadly about the rise of the modern world in Europe, and covers a ton of topics, such as the invention of the printing press and its impact, the 100 years war, the crusades, the age of exploration, the black death, and the reformation, but all with an eye to to building narratives for people not at the top of the power structure, and exploring the material conditions that shaped these events and not just focusing on the machinations of kings and aristocrats. It's a well produced show with a level of scholarship which is a step above its contemporaries IMO.
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I'm gonna talk about Amber again gently caress you. The PMC article is good but I think it gets distracted focusing on cultural stuff; ambitions, pretensions, tastes etc. There's a heavy element of "PMC's are bad because they like corner offices and credentials and putting things in aspic" and then it starts to feel like the author is just yelling at their dad who wore a suit to work every day. Then at the end she claims that the PMC must ultimately be abolished, absorbed into the ranks of the working class, their Ps and Ms must be stripped from them and presumably replaced with a big red W. This will work because surgeons don't need to learn Plato. I think there's a bit of narrative ju-jitsu going on here whose objective is to avoid acknowledging what the PMC actually does. She has a couple of flourishes in the essay where she talks about how the PMC are self reflective without being self aware or some poo poo like that, which is kinda funny because she never really becomes aware of them either. So you put a big magician's cloth over a solid 20-30% of the population, label it "PMC", complain about their mercenary nature and garbage tastes, then at the end the cloth comes off and they've all become comrade surgeons who don't know classical lit. I think this is dumb. There's that classic Adam Smith bit about the ten individual needle makers who form a co-op, and can suddenly spit out not ten times but a hundred times the number that an individual needlemaker could produce. This is because their work has been organised. Professionally managed, if you will. By a class (well, probably by one or more of the ten who have been elevated to PMC status). This seems like a dumb obvious point but it's one Amber never so much as touches - in her article the PMC are largely parasitic aesthetes with a couple of technical types thrown in as a concession to google nerds. The idea that managerial and organisational work is of benefit to production, must be done, and really ought to be done by someone distinct from the production process, is never encountered. In her article about managers the author essentially denies that managerial work exists. Or maybe this is some Marxist article-of-faith that managers do nothing other than parasitically leech of the working class. In either case it's dumb. Managerial work is necessary. Aha, you cry, but surely the PMC is not? Managerial and organisational work should be done by union comrades in and of the same class as the line workers. Their credentials, pretensions and ambitions shall be stripped and they shall join the picket line with the rest of us. That, I think, is what Amber is going for. But in denying PMC work (outside of technical trades) she never quite gets around to it and in never getting around to it she never gets to why it's not happening. She spends a lot of words decrying the PMC's fractious nature, it's lack of solidarity, it's worship of power and pursuit of the powerful. But again it comes across as a sort of aesthetic-driven yelling-at-dad's-suit. The PMC are mercenary because they need big organisations to be managers and organisers of. They're not going to disappear into the faceless mass of workers because their work relies on them being identifiable, so they can organise others. They're not going to be brought to despair in the same way as the labourer when the plant shuts down because their skills are adaptable and mobile. Materialistically they are not the working class so it's dumb for a Marxist like Amber to argue that they should be. She should know better, material circumstance drives personal ideology, not the other way around. She argues that the PMC are disappearing due to corporate takeover. Again, that's dumb, they're still there, have you ever worked for a corporation? There's loads of the fuckers. They've just shifted one allegiance for another. From some liberal arts, noble, state-driven institution to the corporate world, it's all one to the PMC mercenary. It's funny that the abbreviation PMC doubles up as Private Military Contractor because mercenaries are exactly what the PMC are. And that, to me, leads to a more sensible conclusion to the article. You'll never be rid of them without burning down industrialised society, and you'll never convince them to revolt because their material interests don't line up with yours. You don't need to overthrow them though, because they don't have any individual power. So hire them where they're useful, ignore them where they're not and fight them when they're on the other team. Oh and please stop trying to gulag each other over whose the most aesthetically PMC, it's important work. I dunno how you're planning on organising the workers without organisers.
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Are you under the bizarre impression that Amber is against the very concept of supervisors and administrators as opposed to critiquing their current role politically? Also yeah cultural critiques are mostly meaningless. I know a militant ML who is also a Hafiz. A boring corporate winemom lawyer who likes Harry Potter, IPod themed furniture, and talks like what they imagine a black person sounds like on Twitter or whatever is hardly impossible to bring into the fold. On another note does anyone have any advice on how to like, actually publish these audio files i'm hacking together into something that people can download?
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Doctor Jeep posted:I'll never stop laughing at the not-felix-in-a-trashcan pic i think it's actually one of the hosts of funhaus, which let me tell you was not a streams crossing event I was prepared for when it happened
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cultural arguments are usually meaningless but in the case of white people they completely deserve it
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Zurakara posted:Are you under the bizarre impression that Amber is against the very concept of supervisors and administrators as opposed to critiquing their current role politically? I'm responding to what's in the article - supervisors and administrators never come up. There's not a crack of light on managerial or organisational work at all. And acting like you can separate their political role from their material position is the exact sort of mistake I would trust Amber not to make.
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Often Abbreviated posted:
The professional managerial class is a specific group identified with a particular set of relations to the production process, it's not a synonym for anyone who does intellectual labour or executive decision making. The article discusses them in the context of trying to organizing leftist electoral campaigns when members of the PMC have a tendency to try and take over such initiatives and redirect them toward their own interests. It would be a self indulgent digression to use this article about organizing to discuss highly abstract questions like what the role of management will be after the revolution.
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How Did This Get Played released their Thanksgiving episode where they review Custer's Revenge with a native American comedian and he's like wtf is wrong with yall. It's a p good episode of you like podcasts where the hosts get owned
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I'm worried that she put, on the same box, comics successes like Charlie Trotman and ko-fi Twitter artists begging for commission work and went "yeah there's probably no income level distinction here"
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ATP_Power posted:Fall of Rome and Tides of History by Patrick Wyman. I listened to those and they were good when they were a recount of the things he did his thesis on and okay when he realized that it's hard to produce a weekly history podcast without just interviewing someone or giving a cliffnotes of some book
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Helsing posted:The article discusses them in the context of trying to organizing leftist electoral campaigns when members of the PMC have a tendency to try and take over such initiatives and redirect them toward their own interests. Yeah, my point is that it does this badly. The conclusion is the PMC will just have to become working class comrades. That's not gonna work, and it becomes obvious why that's not going to work as soon as you observe what it is they do, what their relationship to the current system of production is. The author doesn't do that, so she ends up at an ineffectual conclusion.
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weird that her article in the rag for liberals that feel a little guilty after crossing the street to avoid black people didnt have the conclusion that class traitors should be treated as traitors. wonder why
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spacemang_spliff posted:How Did This Get Played released their Thanksgiving episode where they review Custer's Revenge with a native American comedian and he's like wtf is wrong with yall. It's a p good episode of you like podcasts where the hosts get owned well-meaning, but still tone-deaf whites being owned is always good. But yeah, it was a good and honest episode.
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Often Abbreviated posted:Yeah, my point is that it does this badly. The conclusion is the PMC will just have to become working class comrades. That's not gonna work, and it becomes obvious why that's not going to work as soon as you observe what it is they do, what their relationship to the current system of production is. The author doesn't do that, so she ends up at an ineffectual conclusion. Her conclusion is that people trying to use Sanders to boost American socialism should focus on mobilizing the working class and building institutions that specifically cater to working class interests rather than falling into the illusion that the PMC is a reliable ally for social democratic politics.
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Often Abbreviated posted:I'm responding to what's in the article - supervisors and administrators never come up. There's not a crack of light on managerial or organisational work at all. And acting like you can separate their political role from their material position is the exact sort of mistake I would trust Amber not to make. As she admits herself in the article, the definition is somewhat vague and refers to a specific type of managerial/credentialed job that tends to share a culture and priorities that usually aren't compatible with the left. It's not the specific nature of the labor that is the problem, but the culture and society surrounding it (that results in most people in many of these careers coming from privilege, largely due to the requirement of certain credentials, etc). As someone else mentioned, "labor aristocracy" is probably a better term for the same sort of thing.
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TheBalor posted:I feel like it was better when there was a chapo-only thread, because the vast majority of podcast discussion here is Chapo or Chapo adjacent, and that's where all the really weird/boring stuff that goes on for pages and drowns out everything else happens. If you are willing to tolerate a very slow podcast, the British History Podcast really goes into historical sources and historical culture. Although it's even more slow than the History of England. The History of Philosophy without any Gaps is naturally really academic, but there's nothing better when it comes to the breath of philosophy. It's one of the very few sources that really goes over Islamic philosophy in English. The History of Japan has some really good episodes like their An Unnatural Intimacy series or their Fall of the Samurai series, but the podcaster has very little charisma.
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ATP_Power posted:Fall of Rome and Tides of History by Patrick Wyman. this is really, really good, and I have to thank you for the recommendation being able to draw comparisons to the collapse of Rome to what's going on nowadays (the part about a service aristocracy rising out of Diocletian and the current era of the professional managerial class comes to mind) is really drat compelling and I wish I had known precisely how much inertia the Roman Empire had heading into 476
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ambore amboor
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TheBalor posted:I'd also love some fiction recommendations, as I finished the Magnus Archives, but Tanis, Bright Sessions, AM archives, et. all are pretty much dogshit. Bright Archives particularly bad with its villain character named "Damian" who talks like a bully from a made for TV movie. Improvised Star Trek, which just ended after 200+ episodes, is the best Star Trek series. I really enjoyed Our Fair City though it takes a little while to get going and it's probably an acquired taste even then. (Still if you think you might like anticapitalist post-apocalyptic pulp sci-fi satire give it a shot.) Unwell by the same people, just finished its first season and I'm not sure where it's going but I'm really enjoying the ride.
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TheBalor posted:I feel like it was better when there was a chapo-only thread, because the vast majority of podcast discussion here is Chapo or Chapo adjacent, and that's where all the really weird/boring stuff that goes on for pages and drowns out everything else happens. Inward Empire's good, it's about america though
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docbeard posted:(Still if you think you might like anticapitalist post-apocalyptic pulp sci-fi satire give it a shot.) Yes hello, C-SPAM poster reporting in
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