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Alan Smithee posted:Don’t the Japanese take their sweetass time building their cases They usually hold people until they confess if there's not enough evidence to convict them. The police can hold someone for 48 hours without actually charging them with a crime and then they can hold people indefinitely while they make an investigation. They have to request an extension to do it but the judges almost always agree to it.
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small gems from yesterday's hearing: https://twitter.com/IgnoreGirl/status/1197640069462528000 https://twitter.com/IgnoreGirl/status/1197642162097270784 https://twitter.com/LawoftheGame/status/1197893113395712000 also lol this part of the hearing: https://twitter.com/bentwhee/status/1197641352965771269 https://twitter.com/bentwhee/status/1197642214660292608 https://twitter.com/bentwhee/status/1197643209666650124 awaiting this day: https://twitter.com/LawoftheGame/status/1197662196249092097 and chupp's wording on vic's house going into a trust: https://twitter.com/LawoftheGame/status/1197709107517706240 and of course there was a stream last night: https://twitter.com/WhippleMarc/status/1197741555911708677 just need to wait for chupp's ruling to drop later today
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https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/c05401/order-in-the-court-explaining-japan%E2%80%99s-99-9-conviction-rate.html Someone posted this translated interview a while back.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:They usually hold people until they confess if there's not enough evidence to convict them. The police can hold someone for 48 hours without actually charging them with a crime and then they can hold people indefinitely while they make an investigation. They have to request an extension to do it but the judges almost always agree to it. Yeah, I've watched a few law-based J-dramas (I know, I know), and holy hell the prosecutorial procedures they accept as cool and good are horrifying. They just drag you in and hold you for a month just to pull you into an office and berate you for an hour or two every so often with no lawyer and effectively no rights while your life and reputation on the outside bleed out, until you cave and confess.
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Toshimo posted:They just drag you in and hold you for a month just to pull you into an office and berate you for an hour or two every so often with no lawyer and effectively no rights while your life and reputation on the outside bleed out, until you cave and confess. Some things about Persona 5 make more sense now.
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Dawgstar posted:Some things about Persona 5 make more sense now.  "Oh, those wacky whippersnappers!" and more  "Huh, aside from the anime shenanigans, the Japanese legal system is not all that dissimilar from this"
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There’s a great ask/tell from a goon a few years back who was dealing weed in Japan and basically got caught red handed. I’m going off of memories here, but iirc he managed to get off easy and get deported after the holding period (or maybe minimal jail time) because the prosecutors were so used to getting people to confess they weren’t able to build a solid case when he refused to do so.
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Nine of Eight posted:There’s a great ask/tell from a goon a few years back who was dealing weed in Japan and basically got caught red handed. I’m going off of memories here, but iirc he managed to get off easy and get deported after the holding period (or maybe minimal jail time) because the prosecutors were so used to getting people to confess they weren’t able to build a solid case when he refused to do so. The third degree is also much harder to use on someone who doesn't speak the language. It's not exactly easy to shout at/threaten someone through a translator.
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Nov 22, 2019 20:19
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IIRC Japan also tends to value written/signed confessions a lot more so they basically just hold the person long enough until they break and agree to whatever.
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Nov 22, 2019 20:21
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It's like they've discovered that One Simple Trick to get Vic branded a vexatious litigant. Tell the presiding judge that not only are they wasting his time but that they're planning on wasting the time of his fellows in the future.
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dwarf74 posted:So no verdict? Chupp pushed it to next week because he is considering testimony. Probably bad for Vic but there is no real way to tell what it means. https://drive.google.com/file/d/18c-ngrLuXwU7ZW7W9aUbwbWihEjDOp5Q/view Edit:Greg pointed out the date is wrong but its from today and that is a mistake. Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Nov 23, 2019 |
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Dawgstar posted:Some things about Persona 5 make more sense now. Basically every single story in Persona 5 is a reference to a real life scandal or hosed up social issue in Japan.
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And Sae is basically Ace Attorney but like way less fun. Is Tora based on a specific politician? Kinda reminds me of the politician who got caught red-handed and got parodied by Gintama.
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Ty Beard now hiding from the court https://twitter.com/questauthority/status/1198538450665906176 https://twitter.com/questauthority/status/1198541096189603840 https://twitter.com/questauthority/status/1198543250916855808
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Piell posted:Ty Beard now hiding from the court Besides this being on really short notice (usually you'd give notice of vacations and months in advance) and for a glaringly long period of time, you might remember that Ty tried to get a continuance on the hearing that had just occurred, in order to push it forward-which would have put it in this vacation period for sure, which raises the question of if this "vacation" was a last minute ploy, or if he was going to try to drag out the hearing all the way down to January. Either way, it's very suspicious and the Judge will probably take note of it. Julias fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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Nov 24, 2019 22:04
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It's just failson-dumb-poo poo all the way down with this Ty guy, ain't it?
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Nov 25, 2019 01:56
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How to get a subpoena in three easy steps.
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The fun thing is, the Vic fan club is so pissed about Vic looking like an imbecile in court the other day they're trying to make a big deal out of a situation at RT where a tech VP got arrested for domestic violence. The fact that it took Rooster Teeth several days to publicly announce they'd fired the guy is apparently proof of a double standard, and how RT protects actual abusers while firing their dear innocent Vic Mignogna on the word of like one SJW on Twitter at most. Sob, sob.
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Wark Say posted:And Sae is basically Ace Attorney but like way less fun. Is Tora based on a specific politician? Kinda reminds me of the politician who got caught red-handed and got parodied by Gintama. This is a pretty nice article about the sentiments behind a lot of the game: https://www.usgamer.net/articles/the-real-world-problems-behind-persona-5 In a way it reminds me a bit of "The Bad Sleep Well" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Sleep_Well) which is also a fictionalized take on some real issues in Japan. Persona 5 is rather more uplifting though...
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Oh, I knew of most of the main real-world "inspirations" for the palace targets and such. Hell, I think that Shin Megami Tensei IV Apocalypse is way less subtle about the whole "Shinzo Abe is a sociopathic, fascist shithead" deal than P5, if that were possible. Learning about the inspiration of Toranosuke was neat, though! 
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kazmeyer posted:The fun thing is, the Vic fan club is so pissed about Vic looking like an imbecile in court the other day they're trying to make a big deal out of a situation at RT where a tech VP got arrested for domestic violence. The fact that it took Rooster Teeth several days to publicly announce they'd fired the guy is apparently proof of a double standard, and how RT protects actual abusers while firing their dear innocent Vic Mignogna on the word of like one SJW on Twitter at most. Sob, sob. It's nice they have a fallback after the 'scandal' with Schemmel and Sabat didn't pan out.
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kazmeyer posted:The fun thing is, the Vic fan club is so pissed about Vic looking like an imbecile in court the other day they're trying to make a big deal out of a situation at RT where a tech VP got arrested for domestic violence. The fact that it took Rooster Teeth several days to publicly announce they'd fired the guy is apparently proof of a double standard, and how RT protects actual abusers while firing their dear innocent Vic Mignogna on the word of like one SJW on Twitter at most. Sob, sob. Is anybody ever actually fooled by this disingenuous clown bullshit? Afaict the ~anime community~ at large is sick of their stupid games and anime GG isn't happening.
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Hub Cat posted:Is anybody ever actually fooled by this disingenuous clown bullshit? Afaict the ~anime community~ at large is sick of their stupid games and anime GG isn't happening. I'd say the anime community at-large has known Vic is a predatory rear end in a top hat for over a decade, so there's no-one who'll fall for the bullshit they're trying to pull.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'd say the anime community at-large has known Vic is a predatory rear end in a top hat for over a decade, so there's no-one who'll fall for the bullshit they're trying to pull. Yeah, I was hearing about this stuff on Livejournal.
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lemione filed a brief explaining where the attorney fee differences and sanctions are coming from: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BotNSEJsgsFQV2-SLWolqickyoZ8dkYS/view couple of hours later here comes the final judgment: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Jh3v-jpGExwYozh2gknSyAUxQCgHQJSM/view yeah chupp took marchi's attorney's going light on fees due to the simpler case and chewed everyone else's fees down, so when ty appeals this'll be cross-appealed
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Nov 25, 2019 21:21
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Wow that haircut on Lemoine is ridiculous, 100K for 259K ask.
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It is kind of a dumb Pyrrhic victory if you don't actually care about Vic tbh, this almost certainly cost the Ds decent money even if Lemoine and Volney waive the difference in fees. Edit:I'm sure they are crowing about how some successful damage control was a big win though and moving the goalposts to gloating about how much money they cost the Ds comes later when they sober up and realize Vic's 5 million dollar lawsuit ended up with the big victory of -238k Hub Cat fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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The theory I've seen on lawtwitter is it's a deterrent for appeals, as the defendants can cross appeal (and will likely win) if Vic decides to appeal.
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Can Of Worms posted:The theory I've seen on lawtwitter is it's a deterrent for appeals, as the defendants can cross appeal (and will likely win) if Vic decides to appeal. And most of them seem certain Vic will appeal, even if as one of them said Vic has before him a very generous L he could take if he were sensible.
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No way he doesn't appeal. I mean he already has, defective as it is.
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I'm wrong. People are saying that defective appeal already counts towards what Vic owes. lol
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'd say the anime community at-large has known Vic is a predatory rear end in a top hat for over a decade, so there's no-one who'll fall for the bullshit they're trying to pull. I dunno I see people spout how Vic is innocent in random boards and threads all the time these days. No one defended him in the past because he wasn’t a rallying cry for fighting the feminazis. Now, they’ll ignore past precedence for convenience. Also wark post the names of people who have been voting 1 on this thread.
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Phobophilia posted:I dunno I see people spout how Vic is innocent in random boards and threads all the time these days. No one defended him in the past because he wasn’t a rallying cry for fighting the feminazis. Now, they’ll ignore past precedence for convenience. Does Relin count? He votes every thread a 1 for some reason.
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Julias posted:Does Relin count? He votes every thread a 1 for some reason. I dunno about that guy, but I'm constantly accidentally rating threads 1 on mobile.
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TheHan posted:I dunno about that guy, but I'm constantly accidentally rating threads 1 on mobile. Voting again overwrites the previous vote, I believe.
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