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(Thread IKs: Nenonen)
What should the presidential powers be in 2020?
This poll is closed.
UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! 3 23.08%
Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. 2 15.38%
He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. 2 15.38%
None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! 2 15.38%
Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. 0 0%
None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. 4 30.77%
Total: 13 votes
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Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.
"En tiedä mitä täällä on tapahtunut" t. rinne

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brakeless
Apr 11, 2011

The people who are integral to all our stupid poo poo moving around in this country should be allowed to keep their old soppari and their barely adequate pay jesus loving christ.

I love the statements from the guillotine fodder who run Posti that are along the lines of Ackshually this won't even affect wages because siirtymäaikana blah blah blah because if the change doesn't really even affect anything major about pay or working conditions why are these assholes so eager to ram it through.

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

brakeless posted:

why are these assholes so eager to ram it through.

because it is a proff of power

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

by sebmojo
lol we're not even a year into this government and Rinne is already managing to make demarit look completely useless.

Postin hallitus olisi pitänyt potkia pellolle toimarin mukana.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Maybe like some companies have put an optional climate fee to balance your carbon consumption, Posti could also collect optional alms from customers to be distributed to their workers.

And if that doesn't work out, we can try e-mail tax!!

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
were at the point where my lifeloong kokkari father is pointing out theres absolutely no purpose to the government trying to make state corporations porofitable

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

brakeless posted:

The people who are integral to all our stupid poo poo moving around in this country should be allowed to keep their old soppari and their barely adequate pay jesus loving christ.

I love the statements from the guillotine fodder who run Posti that are along the lines of Ackshually this won't even affect wages because siirtymäaikana blah blah blah because if the change doesn't really even affect anything major about pay or working conditions why are these assholes so eager to ram it through.

They bought Twitter ads arguing that point.

brakeless
Apr 11, 2011

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

bloom posted:

lol we're not even a year into this government and Rinne is already managing to make demarit look completely useless.

To be fair, did anyone actually expect something else? They made another ridiculously large coalition with freaking kepu in the mix, after four years of the Sipilä air and poo poo show still in people's minds. At least cock is in opposition for a change, but even that seems like a delay at best.

Lunsku
May 21, 2006

Well it's only three years until Megajytky and PM Halla-aho...

doverhog
May 31, 2013

Defender of democracy and human rights 🇺🇦

Rappaport posted:

To be fair, did anyone actually expect something else? They made another ridiculously large coalition with freaking kepu in the mix, after four years of the Sipilä air and poo poo show still in people's minds. At least cock is in opposition for a change, but even that seems like a delay at best.

It wasn't Kepu that forced Paatero to do nothing and act like she doesn't know what happen or when. She's either lying or staggeringly incompetent. Why hasn't Postin hallitus been fired yet?

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

doverhog posted:

Why hasn't Postin hallitus been fired yet?

Because Finland is the least corrupt country in the world, babee!

Forktoss
Feb 13, 2012

I'm OK, you're so-so
Kepu may be a kivireki to this hallitus but it's hardly the fault of the reki if everyone at the reins is an idiot

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
Touko-Poukolla oli viikonloppuna taas kova meno.

Kohteiden taustat tunnetaan, toiminta on koordinoitua, Perussuomalaisten valtavat resurssit, tietoinen strategia ja Putin, systemaattinen toiminta jota tuetaan jotain kautta, maailmanloppu ja Trump. Lisäksi tapahtuu niinkin kauheita, että porukka käyttää somea niinkuin sitä käytetään esim jakaen linkkejä, sekä Touko epäilee, että puolueen ympärillä pyörivä porukka pyrkii aktivoimaan äänestäjiä. Tällaista hullutusta vuonna 2019?!

Todellisuus: joku Ylilaudan Jonne oli editoinut vartissa 30 sekunnin pätkän, jossa Halla-aho kysyy jotain ja ministeri Ohisalo vastaa johonkin toiseen kysymykseen ihan eri istunnossa ja sitten ne siellä koneen ääressä joi ES ja lollasi. Meni pari päivää, video levisi someen ja viikonloppuna Vihreät pillastui salaliitosta. Just.

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.
suomeenkin on saatu oma weinstein-tason juju

Joakim Brecht
Aug 20, 2013

Ligur posted:

Touko-Poukolla oli viikonloppuna taas kova meno.

Kohteiden taustat tunnetaan, toiminta on koordinoitua, Perussuomalaisten valtavat resurssit, tietoinen strategia ja Putin, systemaattinen toiminta jota tuetaan jotain kautta, maailmanloppu ja Trump. Lisäksi tapahtuu niinkin kauheita, että porukka käyttää somea niinkuin sitä käytetään esim jakaen linkkejä, sekä Touko epäilee, että puolueen ympärillä pyörivä porukka pyrkii aktivoimaan äänestäjiä. Tällaista hullutusta vuonna 2019?!

Todellisuus: joku Ylilaudan Jonne oli editoinut vartissa 30 sekunnin pätkän, jossa Halla-aho kysyy jotain ja ministeri Ohisalo vastaa johonkin toiseen kysymykseen ihan eri istunnossa ja sitten ne siellä koneen ääressä joi ES ja lollasi. Meni pari päivää, video levisi someen ja viikonloppuna Vihreät pillastui salaliitosta. Just.
Can we do something about these far right trolls making GBS threads up the finnpol thread?

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax

Joakim Brecht posted:

Can we do something about these far right trolls making GBS threads up the finnpol thread?

Mikä tuossa postauksessa oli niinq väärin tai epätosi seikka, vai oletko sä yksi niitä kavereita, jotka luulivat sen videon olleen persujen puoluetoimiston masinoima Putin salaliitto ja nyt nolottaa?

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

by sebmojo

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.
oot väärässä langassa jos et odota armotonta vitun paskaviestitystä

Doc V
Mar 20, 2010
lmao https://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2019/11/25/mot-selvitti-epaonnistuneita-yrityskauppoja-ja-epareilua-hintakilpailua-nain

All y'all know how every time Posti pulls some poo poo they say they need to cut corners because the volume of traditional mail is going down and they can't keep up with their legally mandated duties while still making money? Well, apparently that's actually the profitable part of their business, and what's really been been dragging them down is the hundreds of millions they've burned on their logistics branch. So it's kinda looking like the actual point of these shitshows (including the current one) is to squeeze more money out of their government-enforced monopoly so they can funnel it into buying failing companies and undercutting prices in a totally different market that isn't even part of what they exist to do.

:capitalism:

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Fire the Posti board, spin off or outright shut down the logistics side, turn the letter-carrying into a public service (which it loving is). Done.

My worry is Rinne & co are suffering from punditbrain. The fact is that no matter what you do, the press is going to pull a Corbyn on you. So ignore them and take some swift and decisive action and people will love it even if the press won't.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
Even the loving yanks managed to figure out that the post office should be run by the government so it's kinda weird that people over here managed to forget something so self-evident.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that neoliberals are braindead trash.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Doc V posted:

lmao https://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2019/11/25/mot-selvitti-epaonnistuneita-yrityskauppoja-ja-epareilua-hintakilpailua-nain

All y'all know how every time Posti pulls some poo poo they say they need to cut corners because the volume of traditional mail is going down and they can't keep up with their legally mandated duties while still making money? Well, apparently that's actually the profitable part of their business, and what's really been been dragging them down is the hundreds of millions they've burned on their logistics branch. So it's kinda looking like the actual point of these shitshows (including the current one) is to squeeze more money out of their government-enforced monopoly so they can funnel it into buying failing companies and undercutting prices in a totally different market that isn't even part of what they exist to do.

:capitalism:

Jesus gently caress :negative:

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
Oh and renationalize Posti and convict the entire board and the executive officers for incompetence and sentence them all to like ten years of forced labor at some sorting station somewhere in the middle of gently caress all.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I don't often agree with left-wingers posting on this board much less Cerebral Bore, not only because of his views but I also have little tolerance for anyone who can't post without being "edgy" and "meant to be taken seriously" by constantly spamming the word gently caress or literally or wishing death or forced labour on their political opponents... however our loving infra should literally loving be loving our national property which goes for post office, road and rail network, electricity, and to continue on that natural resources like mines and forest and lakes.

I don't think anyone else in the world can just sell a huge phosphate deposit or something to some foreign company for a single payment and nice kickback for him and buddies and get away with it. Ok maybe in Africa.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Like it's absolutely loving insane that Posti's johtajat can underwrite such complete failures of business deals paid by taxpayer money, year after year, and not only suffer zero reprecussions at all but actually still get their pay (with regular raises) on top of bonuses and then gently caress off somewhere else. Yet if a regular worker fucks up and causes say...5000e worth of damage to something, it's probably a firing for them.

And of course none of this has merited a mention in the current discussions. Yeah, the money these fucks make is completely justified, otherwise we won't get the types business geniuses who invest 200 million on loving Itella Russia or in Veikkaus which is basically sitting on a re-created Sampo and just wanking the crank all day long.

DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Nov 25, 2019

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Sulphagnist posted:

Fire the Posti board, spin off or outright shut down the logistics side, turn the letter-carrying into a public service (which it loving is). Done.

My worry is Rinne & co are suffering from punditbrain. The fact is that no matter what you do, the press is going to pull a Corbyn on you. So ignore them and take some swift and decisive action and people will love it even if the press won't.

At this point I can't figure out if Rinne is actually dumb or just amazing at playing dumb, because if he's actually dumb he's having pretty great personal luck.

There's no way to fix this problem without making it look like it's Kepu's idea so sitting on it and not doing poo poo is actually the best move for Rinne. It allows the Posti executives to dig their own grave and him doing actions that would be "drastic" and "socialism" are suddenly reasonable intervention if a little too late.

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.
ainoa suuri kysymysmerkki on se miten kepu pettää tässä tilanteessa

brakeless
Apr 11, 2011

Doc V posted:

lmao https://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2019/11/25/mot-selvitti-epaonnistuneita-yrityskauppoja-ja-epareilua-hintakilpailua-nain

All y'all know how every time Posti pulls some poo poo they say they need to cut corners because the volume of traditional mail is going down and they can't keep up with their legally mandated duties while still making money? Well, apparently that's actually the profitable part of their business, and what's really been been dragging them down is the hundreds of millions they've burned on their logistics branch. So it's kinda looking like the actual point of these shitshows (including the current one) is to squeeze more money out of their government-enforced monopoly so they can funnel it into buying failing companies and undercutting prices in a totally different market that isn't even part of what they exist to do.

:capitalism:

mamma mia :discourse:

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme
SDP is too incompetent to benefit from that kind of suhmurointi, so it's probably Kepu again and they are keeping the government from doing something

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
https://www.hs.fi/talous/art-2000006321254.html


So you're saying that a event that is intended to possibly discover the next Wolt, Foodora, Uber and the like exploits its workers? What a suprise!

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.

DarkCrawler posted:

https://www.hs.fi/talous/art-2000006321254.html


So you're saying that a event that is intended to possibly discover the next Wolt, Foodora, Uber and the like exploits its workers? What a suprise!

koska me kaikki elämme ameriikassa nyt, tottahan toki samaa paskaa pitää tuoda tännekkin

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

by sebmojo
So I guess Paatero is incompetent rather than a liar

https://www.hs.fi/politiikka/art-2000006321776.html

quote:

Sdp:n jakaman muistion perusteella Postin hallituksen tekemä päätös 700 pakettilajittelijan liikkeen luovutuksesta oli ollut esillä jo kokouksessa 21. elokuuta. Paaterolla olisi siis ollut vielä reilu viikko aikaa, ennen kuin liikkeenluovutus toteutui 1. syyskuuta.

Paateron mukaan häneltä oli kuitenkin tämä päivämäärä mennyt kokouksessa ohi.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

https://www.hs.fi/politiikka/art-2000006321980.html

quote:

HS:n näkemien asiakirjojen perusteella Posti mainitsi elokuun kokouksessa ohimennen vain yhtenä osana graafista aikajanaa, että liikkeen luovutus tapahtuu 1. syyskuuta.

”Jos siellä on jossain ollut päivämäärä 1.9., se on jäänyt huomiotta, koska olin siinä uskossa, että 1.11. vaihtuu työehtosopimus”, Paatero sanoi eduskunnassa tiistaina Ilta-Sanomien mukaan.

Sen sijaan 1. marraskuuta alkavasta uudesta työehtosopimuksesta ministerille kerrottiin useaan kertaan.

HS:n näkemissä Postin asiakirjoissa muun muassa todetaan, että 700 pakettilajittelijaa ”siirtyvät liikkeen luovutuksen kautta vanhoina työntekijöinä Posti Palvelut oy:n palvelukseen 1.11.2019”. Tähän lauseeseen Paatero vetosi myös Ylen A-studiossa tiistai-iltana.

I think it's plausible that when the Posti board were presenting this matter to the government, they didn't bring any attention to Sept 1 being the point of no return, especially if the meeting was late in August, when they stood a good chance of just slipping it through without anyone in the government noticing. But now that we've established that it was a miscommunication and a mistake, it's time to fix that mistake.

This also seems more plausible to me than SDP being fine and dandy with TES shopping and pulling a U turn when PAU went on strike over it.

Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Nov 26, 2019

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Triple A posted:

koska me kaikki elämme ameriikassa nyt, tottahan toki samaa paskaa pitää tuoda tännekkin

quote:


SLUSHIN viikonloppujen ”talkoisiin” ei ole pakko osallistua, Saari sanoo. Tapahtumakutsuissa lukee kuitenkin, että osallistuminen on pakollista.

”Sanoisin, että se ei ole pakollista vaan vahva suositus.”

”Talkoisiin” osallistuvat Slushin vapaaehtoistyöntekijät, joten Saaren mukaan on tärkeää näyttää, että myös palkkatyöntekijät tekevät tapahtumaa kaikki yhdessä.

Miksi ”talkoista” ei sitten voi maksaa palkallisille?

”Sanoisin, että talkoot ovat kulttuurillisesti tärkeä asia ja nähdään jutuksi, joka vain ehdottomasti halutaan tehdä.”

Saari myöntää, että käytäntö ei mene yksiin työaikalain kanssa.

”Mutta silloin kun niitä talkoita tehdään, kaikkihan siellä ovat käytännössä vapaaehtoisen asemassa.”

Eli palkkatyöntekijät muuttuvat talkoopäivinä vapaaehtoisiksi?

”Henkisesti ainakin.”




One of the most punchable faces of 2019

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE
The post strike is over! Christmas is saved. :toot:

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.



no voehah hevov vittu

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

No. 1 Callie Fan posted:

The post strike is over! Christmas is saved. :toot:

For a moment I read this as "The poet strike is over" and started thinking have I missed some important news...

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

HerraS posted:

no voehah hevov vittu

"Mik' on tuo ruma kieli?"

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bloom
Feb 25, 2017

by sebmojo
Does it mean anything for varhaisjakajat that Posti Palvelut goes to Palta? They were the ones who originally got screwed by being moved over there.

Would be neat if they got their original contract back but I doubt that's on the cards.

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