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feedmyleg posted:The fact that Keene is using the 7K for his own purposes makes me think that the racist yokels think it's all about getting the blacks, but Keene and his co-conspirators have something much bigger in mind. This is probably the cleanest way for this to go without making a lot of people who are singing the show's praises today look like suckers.
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This episode was a little extra trippy because a lot of the outdoor scenes were shot in the downtown neighborhood where I live, and I'm still not used to seeing that in national media. Factor in that my city's history (like many in the country and probably most in the South) has its own racial parallels with what's been depicted in the show, and that was a really surreal experience.Colonel Whitey posted:I loved the inversion of the grocery store scene from American Hero Story shown earlier in the season. In the show, HJ is shown bursting through the window to stop a robbery and help the shopkeeper. In the real version of events, he busts up some Klan members in the back, gets attacked by the shopkeeper who is also a Klansman and has to break out of the store through the window to save his own life. Not sure if it has any particular meaning other than the fictionalized version glamorizing violence and depicting a more ideal and just society where heroes and villains and innocents are exactly who we think they are. It also whitewashes the story to eliminate any element of the Klan. in any case it's neat. AtraMorS fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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Colonel Whitey posted:I loved the inversion of the grocery store scene from American Hero Story shown earlier in the season. In the show, HJ is shown bursting through the window to stop a robbery and help the shopkeeper. In the real version of events, he busts up some Klan members in the back, gets attacked by the shopkeeper who is also a Klansman and has to break out of the store through the window to save his own life. Not sure if it has any particular meaning other than the fictionalized version glamorizing violence and depicting a more ideal and just society where heroes and villains and innocents are exactly who we think they are. It also whitewashes the story to eliminate any element of the Klan. in any case it's neat. Nice catch. Re: more ideal society. I don't know the source but I read or saw somewhere recently say basically "batman is useless and just runs around beating up non-wealthy criminals instead of using his extreme wealth to change the city to one without the recipe for raising more children prone to having to do crime." That's oversimplified but leads to my point: some people like extremely black and white morality. The saving the shopkeeper instance is extremely easy to follow. Easy to point out the bad guy. Easy to point out the good guy. Easy to point out the hero. Whereas the shopkeeper's klan workshop out back makes things more complicated. Now people should know that the klan is bad but then you get into people's self-justifications that impact their morality (anti-black, anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish). (please please god let me not be starting a derail about the wayne foundation or supervillains. please let the people in the thread just see my generalized point and move on) Take this, for example: quote:The story of 54-year-old Roy Brown, a homeless man who couldn’t afford to pay basic food and shelter expenses, is heartbreakingly cruel: A homeless man robbed a Louisiana bank and took a $100 bill. After feeling remorseful, he surrendered to police the next day. The judge sentenced him to 15 years in prison. While there are a lot of other factors at play, nearly everyone can understand "rob bank then go to jail for a long time" but I wonder how much of our population could understand or explain what defrauding lenders is. vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv definitely The Sean fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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Another layer on the grocery store scene I just thought of: in the real world, the actual crimes are happening in back, out of sight of the nice white people shopping. They can just ignore what's going on because it doesn't affect them. Even further, the customers are complicit because they patronize a store owned by a white supremacist. Very different from the simple morality of the AHS tv show.
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My wife has been watching a lot of American Horror Story lately and I'm pleased to see that Watchmen-universe Ryan Murphy is just as much of a garish hack as the real one.
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Weedle posted:I also grew up in Tulsa in the '90s. When I entered high school I was stunned that some of my classmates had never heard of the massacre. My junior high social studies class had done a huge unit about it and I just assumed that such a colossally horrific event happening right here in town would be widespread knowledge. It's simultaneously satisfying and surreal to see an HBO comic book show grapple with my city's racist history more readily than we ever really have. nice they decide to kinda recognize it just in time for the entire greenwood district to be gentrified, tho! withak posted:He basically said "Keep wearing the mask and makeup because everyone we will be associating with professionally is racist." TenementFunster fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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TenementFunster posted:metropolis’s “bad ally/i’m not racist if i also have sex with you” turn was pretty smooth in an episode full of great turns
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Servaetes posted:Will didn't give a poo poo about anything Judd'd explanations. As soon as he discovered the robe, that was enough to murder him. I don't think any part of that was heroic, lawful or good at all, just brutal. perhaps the first 58 minutes of this episode (that i obviously haven’t seen) might explain Will’s deeply personal motivations for killing Judd in exacting detail, but i doubt it.
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Why is harmless lettuce getting dragged into this, is my question.TenementFunster posted:as someone who only saw the last 2 minutes of this episode, i can’t think of anything in Will’s entire origin story and character development that would cause him to be brutal to chief of police in tulsa, oklahoma upon learning he is sympathetic to the ku klux klan. Nope, comes outta nowhere. First 58 minutes is just that HBO static.
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Weedle posted:My wife has been watching a lot of American Horror Story lately and I'm pleased to see that Watchmen-universe Ryan Murphy is just as much of a garish hack as the real one. Pose is really the only show where he isn’t, but that’s because he has Janet Mock around to rein him in.
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zoux posted:Why is harmless lettuce getting dragged into this, is my question. That lettuce was no angel.
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It should be noted theres a scene in the book where the kid reading Black Freighter gets pissed at a cliff hanger and calls it a "rip off story with no ending" which makes people ITT whining about cliff hangers and the pessimism towards the ending especially funny.
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Nov 25, 2019 22:20
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You see, there's two types of people in the world Lettuce, and Egg
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And buddy I'm ALL outta egg 
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Lettuce deserves it. Long live arugula.
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Seems weird Dr. Manhattan would regain a sense of humanity then to simply lose it again. I don't think his prison for Veidt was his attempt at life. I think he made it knowing it would hold him just long enough that it no longer mattered.
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Nov 25, 2019 22:21
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AHS (American Horror Story, not Hero Story) is garish and dumb, but it's a garish and dumb show about a garish and dumb country. Asylum and Cult absolutely whip rear end.
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ymgve posted:That lettuce was no angel. Convenient that the lettuce just fell off that truck, oh wait it was by design (that was a bit silly)
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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:AHS (American Horror Story, not Hero Story) is garish and dumb, but it's a garish and dumb show about a garish and dumb country. Asylum and Cult absolutely whip rear end. Sometimes its somewhat smart! Rest is pretty much true.
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Last night's episode really killed the series for me because I can't possibly give a crap about the 2019 plot now I think I groaned when it cut to Lady Trieu. Put those drugs back in her arm!!! I want to see more of Hooded Justice
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Oh, is Judd's KKK Grandpa supposed to be a particular character or just representative of the population of white Tulsa in 1921
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Im on one chapter 5 of Under the Hood and theres a grest passage that kind of lines up with a post-Squid world thats rescinded back to unease and kind of would play into Veidts logic to conspire with the goverment to maintain the peace.Under the Hood: Chapter V posted:"I dont think I could really describe it completely except maybe to somebody who remembered the terrific elation we all felt after the war: we felt that wed taken the worse that the 20th century could throw at us and stood our ground. We felt as if wed really won a hard-earned age of peace and prosperity that would see us well into the year 2000. This optimism lasted all through the 40s and the early 50s, but by the middle of that latter decade it was starting to wear thin, and there was a sort of ominous feeling in the air." I love how this paralells the anxiety of both real 2019 and post-squid Watchmen 2019 with the anxieties of Hollis and the 1980s.
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Will / HJ is the last surviving minuteman, right? Also, if the opening scene is supposed to represent real events, there's some interesting parallels with Will / HJ killing the FBI agents in the 40s VS his granddaughter being targeted by the FBI in the present day. Also the implication that the FBI may have murdered Will's lover.
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feedmyleg posted:
Like I said before on the last page, this poo poo basically happened. The KKK were a myth infesting every portion of our governance, especially in the South, until revealing themselves in the 1920s, and then disappating once they're racist goals were made into law later that decade (Immigration Act of 1924 for example). well, except for movie time brainwashes Shageletic fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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feedmyleg posted:That's, uh, not such a radical take. Okay without reading what anyone's said about this latest episode I've only got 2 things to say other than "I loving loved this episode." 1: This episode was Birdman. I love Birdman. This episode was some masterful cinematography and it was great seeing Goran from Barry back as a terrible racist rear end in a top hat. 2: Did anyone else find it a little hosed up that Will found June as a baby, raised her to adulthood, then married and had a kid with her? I mean... it's Watchmen so of course it's gonna have hosed up stuff in it but boy is that one of the more hosed up things.
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Herostratus posted:Will / HJ is the last surviving minuteman, right? Silhouette- murdered in the 1940’s Mothman- dead in Doomsday Clock sometime between 1985 and 1992, HBO status unknown. Comedian- murdered in 1980’s Dollar Bill- murdered in 1940’s Nite Owl- murdered in 1980’s Hooded Justice- continue to kiss his black gay rear end in 2019. Silk Spectre- died in the early 90’s as per Peteypedia Captain Metropolis- died in 1970’s (and check that date in Peteypedia) I’d say that was accurate, we did see some paparazzi using Mothman gear in Episode 1, but if a 110 year old Byron Lewis shows, at this point who would really be surprised?
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We don't know that he raised her. All we know about them is that he found her when she was a baby. maybe he raised her but he was like 7, most likely they were raised together which is still weird but slightly less so, maybe they were raised in two different situations.
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:Silhouette- murdered in the 1940’s Thanks!
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What's your read on this part? Don't let them see you cry? You brought this on yourself? Woman icky?
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:What's your read on this part? The answer is usually "All of the above".
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Did the Peteypedia memo about Captain Metropolis get the publicist's name wrong? I remember it being Larry (Laurence), not Louis. Which I just now realised must be where Laurie's name comes from.
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Also from Peteypedia, Laurie tells Petey to " get over to Mirror Guy’s house and bring him in. He flipped on Abar too fast and given what I just heard, I can’t rule out the little poo poo is Kavalry." Good starting point to next episode, and perhaps a lubeman appearance?
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Racial issues aside, women weren't as respected in general during the 1960s as they are today. I mean, some assholes STILL feel being raped is the fault of a woman currently in 2019. That is an accurate, yet awful and unfortunate, portrayal of a plausible reaction at the time.
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Another possible answer is that HJ wasn't written with the personality and backstory of the TV series made 30 years later in mind.
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I couldn't help but wonder during the last episode if Will had had some of his memories... touched up, in order to help him remember them exactly as he wanted. Like, yes, his wife's decision to leave him was justifiable, but I'm wondering if the pills may have omitted a far more dire mean streak. I loved the episode and the format, but also couldn't shake the feeling that the memories sometimes felt a little bit too perfect.
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Xanderkish posted:Another possible answer is that HJ wasn't written with the personality and backstory of the TV series made 30 years later in mind. The TV series was written with the personality and backstory of the comic made 30 years earlier, though. I think it's both fair and good to scrutinize all of HJ's actions from the source material!
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Memory pills may also not be a reliable narrator. Maybe we are seeing what Will wants to remember or what he tells himself happened, not a video recording made by his brain.
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Herostratus posted:Also from Peteypedia, Laurie tells Petey to " get over to Mirror Guy’s house and bring him in. He flipped on Abar too fast and given what I just heard, I can’t rule out the little poo poo is Kavalry." DaveKap posted:The thugs are there to gently caress up LG's place as an alibi in case Angela says he's 7K and sold her out. They'll rough him up a little too but he accepts it knowing it's to keep his cover from being blown. Legin Noslen posted:Am I loving crazy or were one of the cops literally jerking off to American Hero Story? Not crazy but I think it's an extra getting nervous they'll be on camera? Jay-V posted:And actually, explicitly drawing the link between HJ and Superman’s origin in this ep felt strangely heavy handed. I suppose it helps contextualize why he would become a masked adventurer in the first place if he felt a strong connection to a superhero... would have been cool to see him read Action Comics at least 1 or 2 more times tho if that was the intent. Martman posted:Oh geez, weren't there even trucks that said "F. T. and Sons" or something that were likely his? That would be amazing.  I love the idea that Fred Trump gets straight up merc'd by Hooded Justice in the Watchmen canon. Hyrax Attack! posted:Minor question, the AV Club review said that after he brought in the arsonist he was demoted for not booking the arrest? Did I miss a demotion scene? I wonder if it was cut from the preview copy the reviewer saw. Tree Dude posted:We don't know that he raised her. All we know about them is that he found her when she was a baby. maybe he raised her but he was like 7, most likely they were raised together which is still weird but slightly less so, maybe they were raised in two different situations.
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