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If the papers and the beeb go full fash there's deniability in the public eye about interference in the media. When constructing a new press rule "with bite", however, it'll be completely transparent that we're interfering in a way that, measured as a movement from the current deniable status quo, benefits the one party.
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Even reddit isn't even bothering with the antisemitism, just the rebuttals. Labour controls the new media, or at least people do.
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Nov 27, 2019 07:43
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I don't think there's much trust in the media in the first place but I think one of the major contributing factors for Brexit and Trump was the successful harnessing of alternative media outlets to become mouthpieces for the campaign. Where is Labour's Alex Jones or Paul Joseph Watson?
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Nov 27, 2019 07:44
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I mean praxiscast might fly off the rails someday. The private water companies have been putting sedatives in the water supply to make us more compliant workers! The private rail firms are giving us radio controlled cards so they can monitor our movements and feed the data to marketers and banks who'll use it to calculate our risk! The billionaires have hidden away on the Isle of Man so they don't get exposed to their own chemicals and data mind controls and subliminal messaging that are rife throughout the mainland! Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Nov 27, 2019 |
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Nov 27, 2019 07:49
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You do realise that those two have the reach they have because they're funded by literal billionaires to run inteference for them? They are extensions of the exact same mode of control as the press. There is no "labour alex jones" because 1. alex jones is a nutcase who screams conspiracy theories for demented boomers to listen to, he's a direct outgrowth of the right wing radio talk show cum conspiracy hotline that was prevalent in the US in the late 20th century and early 21st and that demographic has no loving interest whatsoever in socialism because that's why they're conspiracy theorists, conspiracy theorism is the product of someone who can not accept a marxist explanation for the problems in the world and instead devolves into pure fantasy. And 2. labour is a loving political party not a goddamn global mode of production, it doesn't have the funding for that kind of thing.
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Nov 27, 2019 07:51
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Thanks for the tax advice folks, I’ve passed it on and will see what happens. I expect we may have to get nasty with the previous employer. I do not understand why recruitment/temp agencies are so universally useless. Azza Bamboo posted:The private water companies have been putting sedatives in the water supply to make us more compliant workers! 
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Nov 27, 2019 08:10
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here's all the voter reg stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...372&single=true 30k more registered yesterday than in 2017
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Nov 27, 2019 08:12
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OwlFancier posted:he's a direct outgrowth of the right wing radio talk show cum conspiracy That's why he's always selling all those protein shakes.
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Nov 27, 2019 08:33
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Chuka Umana posted:I don't think there's much trust in the media in the first place but I think one of the major contributing factors for Brexit and Trump was the successful harnessing of alternative media outlets to become mouthpieces for the campaign. Labour doesn't have billionaire-funded crypto-fascists, shockingly enough.
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Nov 27, 2019 08:45
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Apraxin posted:Speaking of, here's how the Beeb is very honestly representing Corbyn saying in the Neill interview that scrapping the 2015 married couples tax-break will cost those who previously benifited from it 250 quid a year: I don’t understand why Labour would commit to abolishing that. it costs very little (less than £1b /year). but it complicates the message. “no income tax raises on the bottom 95%” is a clear & simple. once you add on “except for this” it makes the message less believable - people start wondering what the other exceptions are going to be.
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Nov 27, 2019 08:46
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Look I don't get why labour can't just do the same things the people they're directly opposing can do? Then they'd win. Clearly it's just because they're incompetent.
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Nov 27, 2019 08:48
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Chuka Umana posted:I don't think there's much trust in the media in the first place but I think one of the major contributing factors for Brexit and Trump was the successful harnessing of alternative media outlets to become mouthpieces for the campaign. Ash Sarkar.
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Nov 27, 2019 08:52
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OwlFancier posted:cum conspiracy hotline
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Cerv posted:I don’t understand why Labour would commit to abolishing that. Corbyn said because it excludes partnerships that are not marriage and so he would replace it with something inclusive.
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Nov 27, 2019 09:10
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Just saw that the FT endorsed Labour yesterday which seems like the sort of thing that should be on the news but 🤔🤔🤔
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Nov 27, 2019 09:13
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For what it's worth, the antisemitism has disappeared from the BBC front page - apart from an "opinion" article from the Tory Press Officer. It feels like these sorts of things are flash in the pan stuff, who's going to keep talking about it (and who's going to keep reading it)?
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Nov 27, 2019 09:15
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Azza Bamboo posted:The discourse I'm hearing from colleagues has shifted from Labour is "unelectable" to "every party has done something stupid this election campaign, they're all plonkers" which is an improvement. Yeah the tone in my office (which is very heavily right-leaning) is more along these lines as well, which is encouraging even if there's no way any of them would ever vote Labour. Their opinion of Boris has dropped like a stone over the past month. VideoGames posted:Corbyn said because it excludes partnerships that are not marriage and so he would replace it with something inclusive. If they are planning to extend a similar system to more than just married couples then phrasing it as abolishing it seems like really bad optics, I assumed that they were just removing it entirely.
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RabidWeasel posted:If they are planning to extend a similar system to more than just married couples then phrasing it as abolishing it seems like really bad optics Well he spoke about it on the BBC QT appearance. It was the last question put to him. I did not see the Neil appearance because what is the point of watching something like that when neil will just be disingenuous. Did he get a chance to fully explain?
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Nov 27, 2019 09:17
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That's interesting with civil partnerships being available to all in the new year, there's already an allowance that's more inclusive on the way.
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Nov 27, 2019 09:20
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Cerv posted:I don’t understand why Labour would commit to abolishing that. Me neither tbh. It means their flagship pledge that nobody on under 80k will pay more tax is essentially a lie. It feels like it could become quite damaging, and I'm very surprised they put it in the goddamn manifesto when it pays for an absolute tiny fraction of their spending.
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Nov 27, 2019 09:23
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Ms Adequate posted:Just saw that the FT endorsed Labour yesterday which seems like the sort of thing that should be on the news but 🤔🤔🤔 Hm, they didn't? They published a letter from a bunch of people supporting Labour, which is not quite that
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Nov 27, 2019 09:27
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It's not in the manifesto as far as I can find.
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Nov 27, 2019 09:28
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Lord Ludikrous posted:Thanks for the tax advice folks, I’ve passed it on and will see what happens. I expect we may have to get nasty with the previous employer. I had the exact same thing happen with my tax code except instead of a previous employer, they thought I had two separate full time positions at the same company (and when I asked the payroll team at work, they said only HMRC can correct it and there's nothing they could do) Luckily in my case HMRC noticed it themselves after a few months and I got it all refunded in the following months payslip, hopefully you get it resolved without too much hassle
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OwlFancier posted:It's not in the manifesto as far as I can find. It's in the funding document, page 38.
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That just says "Marriage Allowance: In their October 2019 ‘Estimated cost of non-structural tax reliefs’ HMRC forecast £535m of Marriage Allowance to beclaimed under the system which allows “the transfer of 10% of the tax free personal allowance between couples who are married or in civil partnerships”. Uplifted to account for forecast earnings growth." Doesn't say what, if anything, they're doing with it.
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Nov 27, 2019 09:34
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OwlFancier posted:That just says "Marriage Allowance: In their October 2019 ‘Estimated cost of non-structural tax reliefs’ HMRC forecast £535m of Marriage Allowance to beclaimed under the system which allows “the transfer of 10% of the tax free personal allowance between couples who are married or in civil partnerships”. Uplifted to account for forecast earnings growth." "scrap Married Persons Allowance" it's on page 2 under Other. Page 38 is just the details.
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Nov 27, 2019 09:37
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Jose posted:love to see a jewish magazine do this Sumerian tablets that predate the Noah flood story that basically tell the flood story but the guy's name is utnapishtim are a big plot hole for the old testament imo, and I haven't heard a satisfying explanation for it.
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Nov 27, 2019 09:39
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Well I imagine this will also get 16 hours as the main headline on BBC news. That's only fair, right?
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Nov 27, 2019 09:41
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https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1199381323565162499?s=19 https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1199383601143566336?s=19
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Nov 27, 2019 09:43
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I'm not sure how much weight the anti-semitism accusations really carry with the electorate at this point, it's so transparently politically motivated. The danger is it allows the media to completely drown out any reporting on Labour's policies and ideas and that is fatal. I just read that Boris Johnson hasn't actually confirmed his appearance on Andrew Neill. I reckon he'll skip it entirely, it's way too much of a risk.
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Nov 27, 2019 09:44
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If Boris declines then they should get a panel in to talk about the Tory manifesto behind his back.
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Oh look another mistake https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/1199606706457731072?s=19
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Jose posted:https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1199381323565162499?s=19 This is the kind of thing that could shift things up. People who would normally go voting staying home, people who would normally stay at home going out. like most things in this election, it's such an unknown, I was saying to the wife this morning, I can see they Tories with a large majority, I can see labor with a large majority, and anywhere in between. It's so hard to call. On my facebook feed, I've got one person tory, but he's a friend of my dads, one lib dem, and a friend of a friend who's made a couple of pro tory posts on my friends labour stuff. Then there are 5 people posting pro labour stuff every day. everyone at work is voting labour - but were in tory heartland of a Wantage constiancy. Even the headmaster of a school I visited last week dropped a heavy pro labour hint. it's a bubble, but one that's encouraging.
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It's very stressful but literally everything is hearsay - polling is hearsay, your personal experience is hearsay, your canvassing experience is hearsay. We get insights into a local mood at a particular time and until that time is polling day then it actually doesn't reflect a meaningful amount. The only decent contrast is with previous elections, we didn't have that in 2017 and so everything was panic and nerves because everything could really have gone to poo poo. We're in a better position because we're doing more of the same but better and most of the opposition is more of the same but worse. That doesn't guarantee better results in seats but if people can slog through 2017 then we can keep slogging through it all now.
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Ms Adequate posted:Yes, but that is always a factor in election registrations. There's no reason to think a larger proportion of registrations are reregistrations or accidental duplicates this time around. The registration figures are fantastic news for Labour's chances. The other thing to remember is that people reregistering or double registering (did it myself lol, polling card came yesterday) is a good sign that those voters are highly energised and highly likely to vote. 2 million-ish (I think? Haven’t had time to check the spreadsheet) 18-25s almost certain to vote is a big loving deal, even if every single one of them was registered already. e: only 1.6m 18-25s, hmm. KOGAHAZAN!! fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Nov 27, 2019 |
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namesake posted:It's very stressful but literally everything is hearsay - polling is hearsay, your personal experience is hearsay, your canvassing experience is hearsay. We get insights into a local mood at a particular time and until that time is polling day then it actually doesn't reflect a meaningful amount. Yeah, I think that's the problem when your dealing with a country - you only see two things, the media and your personal space. I know the polls are wrong, but don't know how much. I know no one who is voting tory, but also know I have a small circle of younger contacts in a old tory area. I know Boris is hated by most people, but also know that party loyalties run deep. Come Dec 13th, at least it should be sorted one way or another.
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My workplace has more than a few Brexity gammons. I have been relentlessly working on them for years and they've now stated that they won't be voting Tory this time. Getting them to actually vote Labour might be a stretch too far given their lifelong Tory indoctrination but progress is progress. The AS smears have completely passed them by and they don't give a poo poo. That's the good news. The biggest irritation for me right now are the centrist melts whining about decorum. The do pay attention to the AS stuff although they do seem to realise at some level that it's being exploited for political ends. Their endless bleating and hand wringing is soul destroying though, especially given that the alternative is Tory hellworld.
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