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spankmeister posted:Fixed your punctuation, please be more careful next time. first regular nazis come back and now grammar nazis, in cspam of all places
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Oh. My. Zeus. posted:All movies are stupid and bad, and you're stupid and bad for liking them, except for 1998s Dark City Care must be taken to ensure you watch the original and not the director's cut, which adds a bunch of bad pointless scenes but probably aligns closer with Alex Proyas's vision of making poo poo movies
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Jesus christ that had to be the most pretentious, long-winded two pages of any thread on any forum ever. Like holy poo poo I'm sorry so many normies liked the marvel movies. Sorry people like being a part of something popular so they can talk about it with most people. Just the gooniest loving takes about this topic I mean my god. Is this thread full of "trolls" who get off on saying wildly popular things are bad just to get a reaction? Seriously if you can't smoke a bowl and have a good time watching someone beat the poo poo out of people with a shield I just feel bad.
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Nov 27, 2019 16:11
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The only good marvel superhero is blade, who spends all of his time destroying the parasitic capitalist class. Iron man is a literal weapons dealer lmfao, the goddamn us military literally had scenes taken out of the film because it made them look slightly bad
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i mean what set it all off was netflix buying a defunct independent theatre and using it for selected screenings of netflix films, so the objection is clearly to the general monopolisation of culture and not to people liking crappy stuff (we all like crappy stuff). the immediate response was "why is it bad", someone replying "well homogenisation innit" and then it just descended into an immediate shitstorm so who's the bad guy here is a bit of an open question tbh
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that last is a lie btw it is you, the poster reading this right now you are a monster e; gently caress, read my own post
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disney netflix and amazon are the bad guys hth
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Grimdude posted:Jesus christ that had to be the most pretentious, long-winded two pages of any thread on any forum ever. i mean, there are specific criticisms of some films, especially the mcu, while others are to varying degrees quite good, but meaningful criticism of pop culture is directly opposed to borgouise sensibilities that are so deeply ingrained that people who think of themselves as socialists will reflexively fall back on reactionary rhetoric on the subject and congratulate themselves for their own ignorance rather than consider analysis of something as simple as a film for children yes I am pissy this morning
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Communist Walrus posted:Care must be taken to ensure you watch the original and not the director's cut, which adds a bunch of bad pointless scenes but probably aligns closer with Alex Proyas's vision of making poo poo movies Look at this person with the complete wrong opinion This is like saying not to watch the directors cut of blade runner
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lancemantis posted:Look at this person with the complete wrong opinion You mean the Final Cut?
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Nov 27, 2019 16:31
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Hodgepodge posted:i mean, there are specific criticisms of some films, especially the mcu, while others are to varying degrees quite good, but meaningful criticism of pop culture is directly opposed to borgouise sensibilities that are so deeply ingrained that people who think of themselves as socialists will reflexively fall back on reactionary rhetoric on the subject and congratulate themselves for their own ignorance rather than consider analysis of something as simple as a film for children gently caress off with this "posting things I agree with" stuff.
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Hodgepodge posted:i mean, there are specific criticisms of some films, especially the mcu, while others are to varying degrees quite good, but meaningful criticism of pop culture is directly opposed to borgouise sensibilities that are so deeply ingrained that people who think of themselves as socialists will reflexively fall back on reactionary rhetoric on the subject and congratulate themselves for their own ignorance rather than consider analysis of something as simple as a film for children also the DoD inserts propaganda into almost every one of those films
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T-man posted:gently caress off with this "posting things I agree with" stuff. i'm out of control!!!1
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:also the DoD inserts propaganda into almost every one of those films Yeah, if you ever see a film with us military equipment, it’s DoD propaganda
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Is there any resource that goes more in depth about this military censorship and propoganda
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Empress Brosephine posted:Is there any resource that goes more in depth about this military censorship and propoganda The credits sequence of every single movie, where they make sure to graciously thank the US armed forces for doing it.
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Shame Boy posted:The credits sequence of every single movie, where they make sure to graciously thank the US armed forces for doing it. it's hardly gratuitous to have a line of text twelve minutes into the rolling credits, but it's because they've often gotten permission to access things they couldn't, work with real military equipment on site, or use military footage to make the movie more realistic.
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Nov 27, 2019 17:05
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Forceholy posted:So I'm registering for grad programs for next fall. I used to teach English overseas and I still keep in touch with some of my British colleagues. When I mentioned that I have to pay money to apply to a college program, they asked me what the justification for that was. Why would they even bother trying to justify it, it doesn't need justification. What are you gonna do, not pay it? Like when I bought my car one of the line items was just "Dealer Profit Fee" lmao
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The best military propaganda was how expertly the writers on Stargate: SG-1 were blowing the Air Force. Despite being space shenanigans through a teleporting toilet they had an official Air Force adviser on staff who would occasionally rein in the Carter/Jack romance if it got out of line with what would be professionally acceptable. The show might as well be one long recruitment video, they even supplied all the P90s and blanks for the cool shooty pew-pew scenes Things got a bit weirder in seasons 9 and 10 but that's because it was going to be a spinoff show until they managed to wrangle back Daniel "Tree Trunk Arms" Jackson who took over playing the role of "r/atheism moderator"
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The Bloop posted:it's hardly gratuitous to have a line of text twelve minutes into the rolling credits, but it's because they've often gotten permission to access things they couldn't, work with real military equipment on site, or use military footage to make the movie more realistic. love to use taxpayer money to buy script approval for all the year's biggest films
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The Bloop posted:it's hardly gratuitous to have a line of text twelve minutes into the rolling credits, but it's because they've often gotten permission to access things they couldn't, work with real military equipment on site, or use military footage to make the movie more realistic. I said gracious, not gratuitous. The line usually specifically says "graciously thank" or "sincere thanks" or something like that. Also you make it sound like the military is doing that out of the kindness of their warm loving hearts cuz they just want to help make movies 
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The Bloop posted:it's hardly gratuitous to have a line of text twelve minutes into the rolling credits, but it's because they've often gotten permission to access things they couldn't, work with real military equipment on site, or use military footage to make the movie more realistic. The us military will gladly lend out military equipment as long as they get final say on the film
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Empress Brosephine posted:Is there any resource that goes more in depth about this military censorship and propoganda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5xfBtD6rLY this is a good one
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Shame Boy posted:I said gracious, not gratuitous. And (perhaps not) obviously I am not fellating the military here, just by way of explanation. My whole post was dumb and ill considered, frankly
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Film has the potential to be more than entertainment. I often thing that if images don't affect behavior and world view than why is so much money spent on advertisements, which we all viscerally hate? Obviously in spite of consciously rejecting advertising, it still affects us and our behavior. A film that draws you in has a lot of power. And real film making can make people live their lives differently. It's very sad that it's being used to make more money and anyone with something to say, in this decade, is going to have trouble finding funding or reaching an audience.
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It's also probably the second most impactful medium after music, and unlike any other medium besides the novel is a way to show an audience another person's life and gain empathy for that person. There's a reason films get compared to dreams in a way books and music and paintings rarely do, film reflects our internal thoughts and, for reasons unknown, has found a limit in that it only is capable of expressing stories about people. Music can be pure emotion and paintings can be abstract ideas but film is 100% people and their stories. so why is it that it's gotta be all transformers and comic books written by alan moore
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Modest Mao posted:Film has the potential to be more than entertainment. Very true but not every film needs to be Challenging and Important for this to be the case. There is plenty of room for both. Modest Mao posted:so why is it that it's gotta be all transformers and comic books written by alan moore It super isn't, though. Even if there was one superhero movie on one screen forever (there are none now, for example) there are still more other movies than anyone has time to see. There are movies out the rear end! Tons of movies! Most of the "challenging" ones are in art house theatres and film festivals intentionally removed from the hoi polloi just as they always were before Disney bought everything anyway
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Expecting all media to be challenging and thought-provoking is such an obvious expression of privilege. Some people, some times, just want to relax and enjoy a spectacle once a month when they get time between their three lovely jobs and driving an uber You want to make media more thoughtful, the underlying issue isn't durr hollywood makes punchmans, it's unfettered capitalism is making people's lives lovely so they use unchallenging media as a psychic analgesic because they are out of mental effort just dealing with their loving life
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Admiral Bosch posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5xfBtD6rLY oh poo poo i didnt know about that. Yeah let's just realize the fictional, fascist society that made Starship Troopers. Just dumb entertainment, folks. Nothing to think about here. What's that? "Not thinking" is when we're the most vulnerable to suggestion? Dude, why do you have to ruin everything? You, the person looking wide eyed in horror at what we're becoming. You're ruining everything. Not us, the people marching along without objection.
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The Bloop posted:Expecting all media to be challenging and thought-provoking is such an obvious expression of privilege. I don't think it's about privilege, a lot of 'underprivileged' like to make stories about themselves and see stories about themselves outside of pure entertainment. you can say "black panther is our quota of the black experience for this quarter" or w/e but that's not really satisfying. That's a lot of the people who are going to find themselves shut out going forward, audience and artist alike. I think a lot of popular, entertaining films are challenging and that's why people liked them. And I actually do mean that the content of old entertaining hollywood movies was more substantial, or has that potential going forward, and not that every film should be slow or artsy or w/e. I like the films David Fincher makes which are entertaining and creative and challenging, or Juice or Deep Cover - black films made by black film makers that reached a wide audience and I think are pretty timeless good films to watch. Your arguments are strawmen and stereotypes of what film nerds want or think. I don't care that super hero films exist, it's that so many resources are put into them and that it paid off to narrow the field so much for such an important medium.
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blatman posted:The best military propaganda was how expertly the writers on Stargate: SG-1 were blowing the Air Force. Despite being space shenanigans through a teleporting toilet they had an official Air Force adviser on staff who would occasionally rein in the Carter/Jack romance if it got out of line with what would be professionally acceptable. The show might as well be one long recruitment video, they even supplied all the P90s and blanks for the cool shooty pew-pew scenes genuinely hilarious how ultra swole nerdy dr Jackson got. he went from a dude who literally stayed on a planet with no sanitation just so he could have a waifu he could barely communicate with to Dual-wielding P45s and battling literal Gods while screwing an intergalactic bounty hunter
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Modest Mao posted:Your arguments are strawmen and stereotypes of what film nerds want or think. I don't care that super hero films exist, it's that so many resources are put into them and that it paid off to narrow the field so much for such an important medium. This feels like the strawman to me I don't see a narrowed field at all, and thinking that old hollywood was better feels like a conservative romanticization of a past that never truly was. The great movies we remember were just that, the great ones, worthy of being remembered. There was always garbage, and there are probably more great ones now than ever, even if there is also even more garbage.
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That's not what most of the film makers I know think, there's a deep sense that things have changed in the last decade, and even though there's a lot more work, somehow there's less good 'content'. TV has gotten a lot better tho... just worried about films.
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MCU would be alright if there weren't like a zillion movies, with multiple coming out every year. It is rotten if it takes up a significant part of your cultural brain space, like living on fast food. It is fun, brightly coloured trash designed in soulless corporate boardrooms to get you addicted, pure empty calories. The artistic nadir of unfettered capitalism.
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Hollywood has had many eras as well... when the hays code ended I think a lot of ideas that had been bubbling up about what cinema could be suddenly found a footing with funding and studio backing, which transitioned into the new generation of directors and "New Hollywood"... a lot of economic factors and social factors went into this too, audiences were looking for stories that resonated with them and big commercial undertakings needed the force of good directors to make it work. When the big auteur movies began failing to bring in audiences and home video became an important market you get late 80s and 90s cinema which while very commercial but retained a very high level of craft, still very directed. Now I feel studios have less interest in supporting directors and money is all in franchises and chasing hot topics, film has become a producer's medium.
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I'm not a big fan of JJ Abrams, but he did make the American Military the bad guys in Super 8, foregoing the usual military aid for gear and stuff.
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Modest Mao posted:I often thing that if images don't affect behavior and world view than why is so much money spent on advertisements, which we all viscerally hate? Eh I mean it does something, but also the entire advertising industry is basically in cahoots with every company's marketing department to keep the lie alive because they'd all be out of a job if they didn't. It's been shown quite a few times that the stuff ad agencies sell to companies as "facts" about advertising are complete myths, and hell I've seen it first hand at my last job, where our software was used to manage (among other things) marketing materials and ad agency crap. So yeah I wouldn't put too much faith in the "if advertising doesn't work why do they still pay billions of dollars for it huh?" idea.
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Human beings putting a lot of time and effort into something does not, and never has, been evidence of value (or at least equivalent value). And this statement does not rely on subjective value judgements "well it cost a lot but I don't think it's worth it!", we're talking actual Does-Not-loving-Work bullshit. There have been sham industries since the dawn of time.
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