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Doctor Who was ruined when it stopped being a police procedural and started following some weirdo in a phone box. 
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Barry Foster posted:Nu-Who has been a soap opera since 2005, ffs and a not minor portion of the first two series were about Rose's relationship with Micky and eventual love for the Doctor, while a lot of series 8 revolved around Clara's relationship with Danny and how that affected her travelling with the Doctor, but then Bill fancying one girl and having a date with another was shoving homosexuality down our throat. almost like these people are disingenuous dinguses 
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Nov 25, 2019 23:03
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Box of Bunnies posted:and a not minor portion of the first two series were about Rose's relationship with Micky and eventual love for the Doctor, while a lot of series 8 revolved around Clara's relationship with Danny and how that affected her travelling with the Doctor, but then Bill fancying one girl and having a date with another was shoving homosexuality down our throat. almost like these people are disingenuous dinguses Even here back in the RTD days there was a decent amount of "Gay Agenda!" being thrown around.
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Nov 25, 2019 23:07
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He got a lot of justifiable (and quite a lot more nonsensical) flak at the time, but man I miss big gay Rusty the Welsh Giant who loved Doctor Who more than anybody else and loving did something about it. 
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Nov 25, 2019 23:25
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Jerusalem posted:He got a lot of justifiable (and quite a lot more nonsensical) flak at the time, but man I miss big gay Rusty the Welsh Giant who loved Doctor Who more than anybody else and loving did something about it. Oh for sure. What he lacked in coherent plotting he made up for in sheer enthusiasm for the material that just oozed from every episode. Character stuff felt part and parcel of his time on the show and it has pretty much always felt forced aside from some notable exceptions outside of his run.
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Nov 25, 2019 23:27
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I hate the Capaldi theme with the loving clocks
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Nov 26, 2019 01:07
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I honestly really like the TVM theme with its triumphant Hollywood arrangement. It’s non traditional but fun.
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Nov 26, 2019 02:41
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I like the squeaky Daleks  I like to think the crime they're executing The Master for is that he pumped their casings full of helium just to be a dick.
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Nov 26, 2019 02:43
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Maxwell Lord posted:I honestly really like the TVM theme with its triumphant Hollywood arrangement. It’s non traditional but fun. It’s pretty much unique in that it starts with the middle 8, but it works very well for it.
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Nov 26, 2019 04:22
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Burkion posted:I hate the Capaldi theme with the loving clocks the visuals of the intro are definitely pretty bad with the "haha, get it, clocks, because it's about time" but i liked how chunky the rendition of the actual theme was
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Nov 26, 2019 04:37
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Box of Bunnies posted:the visuals of the intro are definitely pretty bad with the "haha, get it, clocks, because it's about time" but i liked how chunky the rendition of the actual theme was I mean those visuals were literally based on a fan idea. Some rando made a youtube vid with that clock stuff and was like: "wouldn't this be cool as a Doctor Who intro" and the producers went "yes it would" and took the idea.
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Nov 26, 2019 07:46
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Carbon dioxide posted:I mean those visuals were literally based on a fan idea. Some rando made a youtube vid with that clock stuff and was like: "wouldn't this be cool as a Doctor Who intro" and the producers went "yes it would" and took the idea. That doesn't mean it was a good idea.
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Nov 26, 2019 08:06
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I give the clock intro for Twelve a pass because it's the only time they were ever going to be able to reasonably do a clock-themed intro.
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Nov 26, 2019 08:50
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Carbon dioxide posted:I mean those visuals were literally based on a fan idea. Some rando made a youtube vid with that clock stuff and was like: "wouldn't this be cool as a Doctor Who intro" and the producers went "yes it would" and took the idea. They literally asked the dude who did the YouTube one to redo it for the show.
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Nov 26, 2019 11:11
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Box of Bunnies posted:the visuals of the intro are definitely pretty bad with the "haha, get it, clocks, because it's about time" but i liked how chunky the rendition of the actual theme was It did have the attack eyebrows, so it had that going for it.
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Nov 26, 2019 13:21
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The thing that bothers me most about the Capaldi theme is how often the visuals were out of sync with the music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iapElueBRcM
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Nov 26, 2019 19:41
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I did like the theme Big Finish used for its Eighth Doctor & Mary Shelly trilogy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mIpHEPcZo And the one for its 50th anniversary story "The Light At The End" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb_Yh3acx0Q
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Nov 26, 2019 20:52
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Burkion posted:I hate the Capaldi theme with the loving clocks It's a little on the head, but I liked it since, ya know, he's a time traveler. Between the two themes of space and time it's the time aspect that has never been used as a motif in any previous intros. Also it's more fitting since he's the 12th doctor and sort of the last time they'll get a decent chance to use the clock imagery what with 12 hours or whatever. So it gets a pass from me. Anyway the intro makes it up with Capaldi's attack eyebrows.
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Nov 26, 2019 21:40
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BF is doing two more volumes of "Class": https://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/a-new-term-for-class-and-some-new-faces although two roles are being recast. Dervla Kirwan (Miss Hartigan from The Next Doctor) is replacing Katherine Kelly as Miss Quill, and Joanna McGibbon is taking over from Vivian Oparah as Tanya.
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Nov 27, 2019 20:03
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Davros1 posted:BF is doing two more volumes of "Class": Gross
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Nov 27, 2019 20:15
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Class was offensive to me after they appropriated the struggles of my otherkin friends and used their terminology to describe the villains of the series. 
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Nov 28, 2019 02:54
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I didn't bother with Big Fin's first set of Class stuff because I didn't care for what I watched of the show but they've done more meaningless series spun off from less so if there's an audience for this, good for them getting more of that  Though, based on them getting Miss Hartigan's actor for these sets, and speaking of nonsense that nobody but me would want, get David Morrissey back and do a set with his faux Doctor while he still thought he was the Doctor and I'd be there day one
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Nov 28, 2019 08:43
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Scorching hot take: I'd rather rewatch Class than the most recent series of Doctor Who.
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Nov 28, 2019 10:15
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Rochallor posted:Scorching hot take: I'd rather rewatch Class than the most recent series of Doctor Who. Have you actually watched Class?
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Nov 28, 2019 10:22
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Rhyno posted:Have you actually watched Class? I watched between 4 and 6 episodes, maybe? I was more interested in those kids than in Graham and the other characters whose names escape my memory.
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Nov 28, 2019 10:27
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Rochallor posted:I watched between 4 and 6 episodes, maybe? I was more interested in those kids than in Graham and the other characters whose names escape my memory. You don't like Graham? What's it like to be such a soulless monster?
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Nov 28, 2019 10:30
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Ryan and Graham’s relationship was a really nice core of the season.
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Nov 28, 2019 10:32
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I refuse to believe that anyone actually watched Class
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Nov 28, 2019 12:29
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marktheando posted:I refuse to believe that anyone actually watched Class I made it to episode 7 I think.
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Nov 28, 2019 12:34
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Rochallor posted:I watched between 4 and 6 episodes, maybe? I was more interested in those kids than in Graham and the other characters whose names escape my memory. I mean I GUESS this is technically an opinion that could exist, but I'm going to call this Turing test a failure.
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Nov 28, 2019 12:35
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I watched the first episode, and then half of the 2nd up until my interest rapidly tailed off.
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Nov 28, 2019 13:38
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I left it on in the background for a time but the cast is so irritating.
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Nov 28, 2019 13:39
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Graham was fine and charming and from an objective viewpoint, he's a great character. But I could not help but sulk at the fact that in a show that, with its casting of main characters is clearly interested in at least surface-level diversity that the best character was an old white man, while reducing the first East Asian companion's role to "I am here, too." It's not Graham's fault I don't like him. I also did not like Class, but I HATED this last series of Who.
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Nov 28, 2019 13:40
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TinTower posted:Class was offensive to me after they appropriated the struggles of my otherkin friends and used their terminology to describe the villains of the series. Class was offensive to me for it's radical makeover of Coal Hill School.
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Nov 28, 2019 14:17
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I'd actually put forth that Ryan was the most interesting and well developed of the companions, though Graham was a close second and Yaz was also in the show. Seriously I hope they figure out what to do with her this year because I like the actress and I think she did have a lot of nice subtle moments but there definitely needs to be more.
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Nov 28, 2019 14:20
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Yeah I'll totally agree that Yaz suffered from "and they are also here" issues. Not quite on the level of Adric in Black Orchid but getting there. Clearly they need longer series runs to give every character a chance to do stuff.
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Nov 28, 2019 14:44
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I really like one of the more consistent things they seemed to have about Yaz, which was her being a police officer that's good at a bunch of things that police officers need to do but you never see on TV. Stuff like consoling victims and gathering information--something I also saw in Broadchurch when I saw some of that, which makes me think Chibnall actually does recognize and want to highlight that. That's really all I want to see from Yaz in the next season. Just more of her being a good cop about the quieter cop things.
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Nov 28, 2019 14:59
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I think they downplayed Yaz because the best episode of the series was about her and they wanted to give the other actors, who are very fine and nice people, a chance too.
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Nov 28, 2019 15:01
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Rochallor posted:Graham was fine and charming and from an objective viewpoint, he's a great character. But I could not help but sulk at the fact that in a show that, with its casting of main characters is clearly interested in at least surface-level diversity that the best character was an old white man, while reducing the first East Asian companion's role to "I am here, too." It's not Graham's fault I don't like him. Look I actually agree with your Graham take and was also disappointed he got the spotlight but Class was very bad. And it seems weird to let Graham overshadow the entire season? Like the show has been about a white dude for its entire run, at least this time the white dude was not the main character.
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Nov 28, 2019 15:28
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CommonShore posted:I think they downplayed Yaz because the best episode of the series was about her and they wanted to give the other actors, who are very fine and nice people, a chance too. The problem there is that had her downplayed across the entire series minus one episode, where let's be honest, she didn't even get the meatiest stuff to do. The best stuff with that episode wsa tangentially related to Yaz and probably would have played out similarly even without her
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