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Trying to weigh up what's worse - Russo putting wrestlers in danger with his multiple stupid gimmicks versus Cornette putting wrestlers in danger by starting near riots back in the day. Gotta say Russo's had the bigger platform for his detritus so he wins this for me. Cornette is making waves at the moment but only on the IWC - Russo got to broadcast his crap to millions of homes back in WWE/WCW and thousands with TNA.
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Nov 29, 2019 01:05
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Russo's booking definitely put more people at risk. Also this thread has some evidence for Vince, Linda and McDevitt's candidacies. https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1200205231793037313?s=19
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Nov 29, 2019 01:14
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https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1200219295407587328
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Nov 29, 2019 02:13
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Protest voting for the scum business man who ran a cult that shortened lives over the viscerally evil double murder suicide domestic abuser who was also just a shithead.
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Nov 29, 2019 02:18
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Chris Benoit killed his family
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Nov 29, 2019 02:18
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Seams posted:Chris Benoit killed his family "Awwww god!"
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Nov 29, 2019 02:18
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TheKingslayer posted:"Awwww god!" Delete that immediately!
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Nov 29, 2019 02:20
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Seams posted:Chris Benoit killed his family WHAT IS THIS
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Nov 29, 2019 02:50
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Someone in BACK!?
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Nov 29, 2019 02:50
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personally, i only voted for Benoit because he was so short
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Nov 29, 2019 02:52
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Surprised Heyman has as many votes as he does already
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Nov 29, 2019 02:58
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isnt there a real hosed up candido/sunny/heyman story re: wcw and drugs or am i misremembering
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Nov 29, 2019 02:59
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Benoit's arms were too short to put the crown on his head if he won King of the Ring. Heyman, and ECW as a whole, were very bad for wrestling. At least we don't have to deal with Benoit nostalgia.
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Nov 29, 2019 03:00
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John Dudebro posted:it's absolutely vince's fault for making him do a dangerous stunt without ensuring it would be safe, but owen's death was still an accident. vince did not wake up that morning and decide he would kill owen hart Nope. There are very, very few industrial accidents. Proceeding when your usual rigger refused to do the job, using substandard gear not rated for the work, and not rehearsing the stunt in full costume to ensure it was safe are on the company asking him to do the stunt.
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Nov 29, 2019 03:01
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karmicknight posted:Protest voting for the scum business man who ran a cult that shortened lives over the viscerally evil double murder suicide domestic abuser who was also just a shithead. what you protestin'
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Nov 29, 2019 03:02
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Liquid Communism posted:Nope. Along with threatening to fire Owen if he didn't come to the building to do the stunt he didn't want to do.
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Nov 29, 2019 03:08
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Ok my meds are kicking in so I'm gonna make this quick. Heyman over Benoit because I value systemic malevolence higher than personal malevolence.
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Nov 29, 2019 03:08
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ChrisBTY posted:Ok my meds are kicking in so I'm gonna make this quick. This is why I’ll vote for Vince over Benoit but I think Benoit’s crimes outweigh Heyman’s in this instance.
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Nov 29, 2019 03:11
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MassRafTer posted:Along with threatening to fire Owen if he didn't come to the building to do the stunt he didn't want to do. if i was Owen i would just get fired so i could go to WCW and still be alive. did WCW not want him. i suppose hindsight is 20/20
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Nov 29, 2019 03:13
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Cavauro posted:what you protestin' Chris Benoit. But more the idea that Chris Benoit is worse than Heyman because Chris Benoit killed and abused people in a very obvious and visceral way compared the deaths and abuse committed by proxy through ECW. Basically my protest sign is this post. ChrisBTY posted:Heyman over Benoit because I value systemic malevolence higher than personal malevolence.
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Nov 29, 2019 03:16
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Drew McIntyre posted:if i was Owen i would just get fired so i could go to WCW and still be alive. did WCW not want him. i suppose hindsight is 20/20 It's May of 99, Bret has been stagnant in WCW for a year +, Owen is making a LOT of money in the WWF and he's seen Bulldog already want out of WCW. You might not want to get fired for a stunt where you are assured everything will be alright.
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that sounds like a regular vote to me
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Nov 29, 2019 03:20
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it ain't my fucken business. I'm not anybody else. I'm gonna get outta here!
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Nov 29, 2019 03:21
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Cavauro posted:that sounds like a regular vote to me It is also that, and in fact mostly if not all that.
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Nov 29, 2019 03:22
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the autopsy report on nancy is horrifying. chris tied her up and beat her before he strangled her. it wasn't some painless, peaceful "smother in your sleep" murder. and he had enough presence of mind to put bibles around their bodies, write a suicide note, and write polite texts
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Nov 29, 2019 03:25
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yah ive never looked into the specifics of how Benoit did it
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Nov 29, 2019 03:35
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It's a question of visceral vs systemic, and the suffering that got them there. I wanna say it's still Benoit, but you could make the argument Benoit was messed up to begin with then further injured by wrestling and various elements of that era. Elements Heyman helped perpetuate as part of his systemic abuse of workers, while ripping them off and apparently getting blowjobs while doing it? Is that real? I can never tell what is real in this carny loving carny industry, as evidenced by slipping on sarcasm earlier in the thread. Gut still says Benoit but maybe the gut reaction is wrong.
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Nov 29, 2019 03:51
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ChrisBTY posted:Ok my meds are kicking in so I'm gonna make this quick. Heyman was and is very, very rich, while there's still a trail of broken bodies and minds under his golden throne. On the Cornette thing, I can't imagine why anyone would actually hire him. He once said (but exactly the words, but essentially) "now that the statute of limitations has expired let me go on the record: yes I did try to kill that motherfucker with my car". He's well known for been angry, crazy and horribly behind the times. Low Desert Punk posted:the autopsy report on nancy is horrifying. chris tied her up and beat her before he strangled her. it wasn't some painless, peaceful "smother in your sleep" murder. and he had enough presence of mind to put bibles around their bodies, write a suicide note, and write polite texts The talk is Jericho interview with Nancy's sister was great at dispelling any belief I had that it was a weird momentary lapse. Chris was a monster.
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Nov 29, 2019 03:52
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Russo cause while both Corny and Russo are racist and bad Russo takes the cake cause of his role in causing WCW to close and ruining leverage for wrestler for years Benoit murdered his family
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Nov 29, 2019 04:20
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Some more content for later on in the tournament (funny I almost did the Watts match up tonight.) https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1200255286994452480 Also not funny, I'm so deep down this hole that this was only AS racist as I remembered. (It's incredibly racist.)
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Nov 29, 2019 05:07
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MassRafTer posted:Some more content for later on in the tournament (funny I almost did the Watts match up tonight.) Holy poo poo. His mini-rant about Roots reminds me of Nixon randomly dissing hot pants, which I guess makes sense because he was a paranoid racist rear end in a top hat too.
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Nov 29, 2019 05:11
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MassRafTer posted:Some more content for later on in the tournament (funny I almost did the Watts match up tonight.) You can hear Keller dying on the inside more and more as Watts just gets more racist on the call
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Nov 29, 2019 05:27
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MassRafTer posted:Russo's booking definitely put more people at risk. One of these days I'll write more about the Geraldo and Phil Mushnick lawsuits, but the Geraldo lawsuit is...weird. It's not a defamation case like you'd expect or like the Mushnick/NY Post lawsuit filed the same month was. Instead, Vince and Linda sued over intentional infliction of emotional distress, civil conspiracy, and loss of consortium. So even though they claimed that Chatterton's allegations weren't true and there was a scheme built around them, the lawsuit technically wouldn't necessarily hinge on them. Since it's gone from the TPM site, here's the complaint: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6562629-Vince-Linda-McMahon-v-Rivera-Et-Al-Complaint-03.html It does seem like there was some shady stuff going on with some of the defendants—Geraldo was running a tabloid TV show, so that's no shock, but it's...very, very weird. There's talk of "actual malice" and all that jazz in the complaint even though it's not a defamation lawsuit, for example. I am not a lawyer, but...is there any reason you'd do that other than the obvious? Like with the Mushnick case, it was effectively dropped when Vince/Linda/WWE couldn't get the case/discovery delayed. Since Vince couldn't sit for a deposition while the steroid trial was a few months away, that was the end. davidbix fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Nov 29, 2019 |
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Nov 29, 2019 05:40
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I think Hustler vs. Falwell extended the actual malice standard to intentional infliction of emotional distress claims against the media
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Nov 29, 2019 05:45
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MassRafTer posted:Some more content for later on in the tournament (funny I almost did the Watts match up tonight.) To crystalize how many "well, he's just incredibly libertarian!" excuses have been made for Watts's discrimination comments (even if Watts allegedly regretted all of it after becoming religious) over the years...even though there's a strong case for his other, less-repeated comments being MORE racist in the first place!
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Super No Vacancy posted:I think Hustler vs. Falwell extended the actual malice standard to intentional infliction of emotional distress claims against the media Still, different context here...why sue, claim it was false, and not include any kind of defamation counts? That's what's always thrown me about this. Is it just to avoid having to litigate/do discovery on the truth of the statement? Or...?
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Nov 29, 2019 05:56
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Linda McMahon sued because Rita's allegations ruined her sex life and that's not a joke.
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Nov 29, 2019 06:36
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MassRafTer posted:Linda McMahon sued because Rita's allegations ruined her sex life and that's not a joke. "As a consequence of the injuries that McMahon has suffered as a direct and proximate result of Chatterton's outrageous, intentional, malicious and extortionate acts, Mrs. McMahon has been deprived of McMahon's companionship, society, affection and moral support."
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MassRafTer posted:Linda McMahon sued because Rita's allegations ruined her sex life and that's not a joke. This explains a lot of modern WWE booking now god drat
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