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little munchkin posted:I would rather listen to two awkward dorks giving actual analysis than hear mattais ramble on about primeval titan for the millionth time while emma handy communicates solely in memes with neither of them even acknowledging the match that is going on They’re definitely not in the “some that worked” category for me, but I understand why some folks like their style. Also, Matthias is not going to be doing coverage for SCG after the PC, so after December 15th you’ll probably never see him again.
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Dehtraen posted:They’re definitely not in the “some that worked” category for me, but I understand why some folks like their style. Also, Matthias is not going to be doing coverage for SCG after the PC, so after December 15th you’ll probably never see him again. Good, I hate his stupid hats Embrace the baldness
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Devor posted:Good, I hate his stupid hats If you're talking about Hunt, he doesn't have the head shape for it, it's a deeply unfortunate combination. Nominally, I'm an advocate of "shave it off" or "cosplay a friar," but I don't think either is a very good option forhim.
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the bald community demands Matthias Hunt stops wearing his hats
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I know opinions vary here but I'm thankful for the shakeup pioneer has brought to magic
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plus now anytime something gets too hard to monetize and or balance we can start a new format and kill another old one
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rabidsquid posted:plus now anytime something gets too hard to monetize and or balance we can start a new format and kill another old one I think it's a lot harder to get a new format off the ground than you make it seem. -stat provided by all two dozen people in the US who play paper Brawl.
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Ah, swing and a miss, Google AMP: The 1 Common Food 'Pioneer Woman' Ree Drummond Refuses to Eat or Serve, Says She 'Promptly Spit Out Into a Napkin'
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LifeLynx posted:I think it's a lot harder to get a new format off the ground than you make it seem. No new format has been pushed like Pioneer since Modern though. Even with that I believe it took over 2 years for the first Modern PT and with Pioneer it's like 4 months.
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LifeLynx posted:I think it's a lot harder to get a new format off the ground than you make it seem. Brawl is pretty much useless because the price of a Brawl deck and a budget big boy EDH is very close, so why would you play a more limited format when there is a much better, but still mainly casual alternative at the same price (and that wont rotate in a year)? At the same time Pioneer to Modern difference is about 300$ at least and the less is said about Legacy the better.
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I like Bryan Gottlieb and Riley Knight as casters. Bryan yelling "GET THAT OFF THE SCREEN" when the producer flashed up Oko at the last modern SCG was great
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The Clowner posted:Ah, swing and a miss, Google AMP:
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I have an important question, magic thread. Why is revised third edition? Surely with alpha, beta, and unlimited it should be fourth.
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Rahu posted:I have an important question, magic thread. Alpha/Beta (limited 1st edition) Unlimited (second edition) Revised (third edition).
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Rahu posted:I have an important question, magic thread. Alpha and beta are both "Limited Edition", just separate print runs.
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Yawgmoth posted:Because Alpha cards aren't legal to play with unless your deck is all Alpha cards, due to the set being made with a worn-out die cutter. So the editions are: This hasn't been true in about 15 years I think. But yeah, alpha beta are both "limited"
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Yawgmoth posted:Because Alpha cards aren't legal to play with unless your deck is all Alpha cards or if you use opaque sleeves
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Then how do you tell what the cards are?
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odiv posted:Then how do you tell what the cards are? Awful flashbacks to the Azorious Control player who double sleeved with the translucent "smokey" perfect fit sleeves, with the smoke face out so you could not tell what his board was from across the table without leaning over or picking up cards.
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Owlbear Camus posted:Awful flashbacks to the Azorious Control player who double sleeved with the translucent "smokey" perfect fit sleeves, with the smoke face out so you could not tell what his board was from across the table without leaning over or picking up cards. Shooting more angles than a protractor over here
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I didn't realize alpha and beta were the same edition, neato.
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Lone Goat posted:or if you use opaque sleeves I just checked and it's this one. The rules as written no longer allow an all Alpha deck except where it also meets the above rule. As I said before, I think this got changed about 10/15 years back.
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Rahu posted:I didn't realize alpha and beta were the same edition, neato. There are a few differences, but only because of errors in Alpha, they were supposed to be the same set (and the same set as Unlimited).
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Alpha was, to my understanding, not a worn-out die but simply the wrong one meant for playing cards.
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The rules on Alpha cards have changed a bit over the years. At one point it was up to the head judge if he wanted to allow alpha cards being played with non-alpha cards. But that was in like 2002 or thereabouts.
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Are any of you playing historic on Arena? I made a Simic Flash deck with Gilded Goose and Oko and have like a 90% win rate with it. My opponents are making a loooooot of questionable plays, so I don't know how well it reflects the power of the deck, but it's definitely fun as hell. I know there is a Arena thread, so I'll head over there instead if people aren't interested here, but I find this thread a lot more pleasant to read/post in than that one. Historic Simic Flash 4 Oko, Thief of Crowns (ELD) 197 2 Castle Vantress (ELD) 242 4 Once Upon a Time (ELD) 169 4 Brineborn Cutthroat (M20) 50 3 Spectral Sailor (M20) 76 4 Frilled Mystic (RNA) 174 2 Spell Pierce (XLN) 81 2 Quench (RNA) 48 4 Sinister Sabotage (GRN) 54 2 Negate (M20) 69 4 Gilded Goose (ELD) 160 2 Brazen Borrower (ELD) 39 3 Nightpack Ambusher (M20) 185 2 Wildborn Preserver (ELD) 182 3 Forest (ANA) 65 4 Breeding Pool (RNA) 246 4 Hinterland Harbor (DAR) 240 3 Fabled Passage (ELD) 244 4 Island (ANA) 62 I'm pretty happy with 20 lands (the decklist order is weird, there's a pair of Castle Vantress up near the top). Here's what I consider the core of the deck: 4 Once Upon a Time 4 Brineborn Cutthroat 4 Frilled Mystic 4 Gilded Goose 4 Oko, Thief of Crowns 8-10 or so counterspells at 1-3 mana 2-3 Nightpack Ambusher I think the Spectral Sailors, the Wildborn Preservers, the Brazen Borrowers, and the exact mix of counterspells are all adjustable. Right now, I'm just making sure I have enough flash creatures to make Cutthroat good, but running more instants instead might be right. It's really hard to have the mana to activate the Preserver, but in the lategame it can be an easy 6/6, so sometimes you really like it. Borrower would be so much better if it could bounce your own stuff (obviously), and in a lot of matches I've found bounce to be a weak way to deal with opposing permanents. It's still a strong card, though, so I'll keep running it for a while. I think I'm happy with 3 Nightpack Ambusher. 4 Frilled Mystic feels right, and having 8 4 drops with only 20 lands is a bit rough, even with the geese. The thing I'm the least certain about is the mix of counterspells. I do like 4 Sinister Sabotage, but the rest I'm a lot less certain about. I think I should try 4 Quench instead of 2 Quench 2 Negate. The spell pierces are nice every once in a while. One of the issues is that you have no filtering, so if you draw the wrong counterspell, it's just stuck in your hand. Maybe I need Opts over the Spectral Sailors? This deck feels so great to play. The combination of Oko and counterspells means you can handle a huge variety of threats. It's fast enough to put serious pressure on the opponent, but can also play a long, grindy game if necessary. The historic metagame/player base seems super undeveloped, though, so I can't really tell if this deck is real, or if it's just that no one is playing a real deck at all. Anyway, if you want to jam some historic and aren't sick of playing with Oko, this deck is sweet, and it doesn't use any cards from the historic pack, so if you don't want to buy that, you can still build this with booster pack-available cards.
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You should post in the Arena thread when talking about Arena-specific formats, probably. But other than that you should probably go all-in on an Oko Food deck or a flash deck instead of a confused hybrid.
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I think for simic flash you absolutely 100% want 4x Brazen Borrower and 4x Nightpack Ambusher. Those are some of the most important cards in your deck. Oko and Goose seem out of place in this deck. e: you also want 22 lands and 4 OuaT. 20 is low; you don't have the card draw or filtering to reliably hit your land drops. I'd only go with one castles too.
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kind of interesting that dozens of cards from the next set have leaked, including showcases of all of its mechanics and its marquee mythic, and it merited like a day of discussion at most. now that devotion is a major theme in pioneer, I wonder what pushed THB uncommon or rare is gonna break the format until it gets banned
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:kind of interesting that dozens of cards from the next set have leaked, including showcases of all of its mechanics and its marquee mythic, and it merited like a day of discussion at most. Nykthos 
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ShadeofBlue posted:Are any of you playing historic on Arena? I made a Simic Flash deck with Gilded Goose and Oko and have like a 90% win rate with it. Martin Juza had a simic tempo build with less flash and more Oko that was doing pretty well during the start of Eldraine, it was a lot stronger than the all the flash builds at the time. Oko is super strong and I think the people dismissing it in flash out of hand are wrong. http://www.streamdecker.com/deck/MPLzqN9td I agree you probably want 4 Brazen Borrower, especially if you are on Brineborn.
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I suspect you would just be better off with the standard simic food build rather than mucking about with flash + Oko. How useful Brazen Borrower is depends on how many enchantments there are to bounce + counter if you are playing flash.
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Historic desperately needs a ban list because it's standard without a ban list plus a few random cards that are either absolutely unplayable or horrible and unfun. You just play a random green and blue pile of cards and it really doesn't matter how you play or what you do. Also Wizards really needs to get off this insane hate-on they have for draw-go control.
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suicidesteve posted:Historic desperately needs a ban list because it's standard without a ban list plus a few random cards that are either absolutely unplayable or horrible and unfun. You just play a random green and blue pile of cards and it really doesn't matter how you play or what you do. Nah, answers exist in the card pool for the stuff that is too stupid in standard
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suicidesteve posted:Historic desperately needs a ban list because it's standard without a ban list plus a few random cards that are either absolutely unplayable or horrible and unfun. You just play a random green and blue pile of cards and it really doesn't matter how you play or what you do. Hopefully it'll get better after next rotation when the 3 mana teferi rotates out. I'm playing (mostly) draw-go control now though and it's not bad. Simic/Izzet Flash are both draw-go and viable at the moment too.
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You can play perfectly fine Azorious or Esper Draw-Go control right now, though, it’s just not very good in a meta where every creature is like completely insane
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ShaneB posted:UW is pretty good in pioneer if you ignore field existing Field is probably not long for pioneer either I'd imagine. UW control is still fun to play in standard; it's what I'm playing now and I'm enjoying it.
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suicidesteve posted:
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