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Flayer posted:Of course the police were justified in shooting this guy, he was in the middle of committing a terrorist attack. I can't believe there are people in this thread having a pop at the police barely minutes after they stopped a terrorist clearly aiming to kill random innocent people. Taking down fighty guys with knives without killing them is normal and expected for the British police. It's only the fact that he faked having a bomb vest that changes the calculus.
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willie_dee posted:Where have I ever said “if a cop feels their life is threatened”?! Simply feeling threatened is not an excuse which is why it’s an absolute disgrace the cop that tasered the race relations Bristol guy in the face kept her job. Do you only ever turn up in threads because you want to wank to cops killing people?
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Glad the police finally worked out a way to stop a man with a knife, they’ve been powerless to do so until now.
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Nov 29, 2019 17:38
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Have the cops ever found someone wearing an actual bomb vest or have they all been fake?
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Its possible to train your police force to shoot to disable and has the added benefit that the cops are significantly less likely to put a bullet into an innocent bystander.
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so which news outlets will be playing on peoples ignorance and conflating this sort of thing with shoot to kill over the next few days
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Flayer posted:Of course the police were justified in shooting this guy, he was in the middle of committing a terrorist attack. I can't believe there are people in this thread having a pop at the police barely minutes after they stopped a terrorist clearly aiming to kill random innocent people. The public had already stopped the attacker, not the police.
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willie_dee posted:Where have I ever said “if a cop feels their life is threatened”?! Simply feeling threatened is not an excuse which is why it’s an absolute disgrace the cop that tasered the race relations Bristol guy in the face kept her job. so if I'm a Met copper with an MP5 and a bulletproof vest on I can blow someone away the minute they pull out a flick knife?
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Nov 29, 2019 17:39
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Random Integer posted:Its possible to train your police force to shoot to disable and has the added benefit that the cops are significantly less likely to put a bullet into an innocent bystander. Yet another loonie leftie idea to put more people on the dole!
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Random Integer posted:Its possible to train your police force to shoot to disable and has the added benefit that the cops are significantly less likely to put a bullet into an innocent bystander.
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Remember police put out false information in the wake of events like these to justify the use of guns, often times it ends up being bollocks. Guy could have had a fake vest on, cop could have just shat it when he saw the guy try to get up.
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Maybe the cops could show up with some of that body armour and riot equipment they only wheel out for beating up protestors with.
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Nov 29, 2019 17:40
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NZAmoeba posted:Yes? Police frequently us a shield as their symbol/badge. A shield is meant to take the blow to protect the person behind. If you have a shield that refuses to be put in danger, you have a pretty useless shield. I’d rather protect my human shield than the person I’m using the shield to protect myself from. The shield is doing a job and not offensive, the offender is putting that shield in that position. If one of them is going to get hurt I would rather it not be the shield and want to give the shield all the equipment and training in the world to deescalate so no one gets hurt, but if that’s not possible then it’s on the offender. And I can assure you guys, arm me with a marker pen and put any 3 of you with me in a ring, your getting marked up significantly on exposed skin before you can subdue me.
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Flayer posted:"shooting to disable" is a fallacy. Shoot to kill or don't shoot at all. ok I choose option 2
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Random Integer posted:Its possible to train your police force to shoot to disable and has the added benefit that the cops are significantly less likely to put a bullet into an innocent bystander. Eh, I seem to remember 'shoot to wound' being severely overhyped. Even 'safe' areas to shoot someone aren't especially safe. If they don't have a gun, then you can use either a Taser or your stab-proof armour and big stick. That definitely won't cause any collateral damage.
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Darth Walrus posted:Taking down fighty guys with knives without killing them is normal and expected for the British police. It's only the fact that he faked having a bomb vest that changes the calculus. This is pretty much it. There was a load of traffic including double decker buses just a few feet away from the guy. They wouldn't have been able to evacuate the area. I thought they reacted to something like a bomb by the way they all ran the first time I watched it. Jippa fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Nov 29, 2019 |
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willie_dee posted:I’d rather protect my human shield than the person I’m using the shield to protect myself from. The shield is doing a job and not offensive, the offender is putting that shield in that position. If one of them is going to get hurt I would rather it not be the shield and want to give the shield all the equipment and training in the world to deescalate so no one gets hurt, but if that’s not possible then it’s on the offender. man I know it's been a while since I was in London but I don't remember anyone putting up boxing rings on the pavement by London Bridge
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Julio Cruz posted:bullets aren't 100% either just fyi Personally I want skull implants that explode when we hear a pass phrase a la Deus Ex. And the Police have full access to the pass phrases.
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Nov 29, 2019 17:42
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Random Integer posted:Its possible to train your police force to shoot to disable and has the added benefit that the cops are significantly less likely to put a bullet into an innocent bystander. From everything I’ve ever read in regards to this, it simply does not work sadly and is pure fantasy bought about by Hollywood movies depreciation of what shooting someone actually looks like.
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If you take the position that crime is a social problem, which you should, then the duty of the police is as much to the criminal as to everyone else, the criminal has a right to a trial and just generally not to be arbitrarily executed because the police don't want to get hurt.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Remember police put out false information in the wake of events like these to justify the use of guns, often times it ends up being bollocks. Guy could have had a fake vest on, cop could have just shat it when he saw the guy try to get up.
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willie_dee posted:And I can assure you guys, arm me with a marker pen and put any 3 of you with me in a ring, your getting marked up significantly on exposed skin before you can subdue me. I have no idea what you are on about but if this happens I want to see it 
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I like how for every other job we judge a person or workforce based on whether or not they can fulfill the job requirements but the second its something for rich people or police we have all have to go on this deeply empathetic journey and understand that its unreasonable to expect professionals to be better at a task than random passers-by
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Random Integer posted:Its possible to train your police force to shoot to disable and has the added benefit that the cops are significantly less likely to put a bullet into an innocent bystander. No they aren’t. Shooting someone in the leg is harder than shooting them in the torso and if you miss you’ve got a bullet flying about. If you want to shoot to disable just use a taser.
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willie_dee posted:Ah yes or how about some other magical martial art like Akido training and chakra magic. I'll see you in the car park at midnight.
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Err they did shoot to disable. The guy is clearly alive on videos after that original shot and everyone backs away presumably because they think there’s a bomb.
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willie_dee posted:I’d rather protect my human shield than the person I’m using the shield to protect myself from. The shield is doing a job and not offensive, the offender is putting that shield in that position. If one of them is going to get hurt I would rather it not be the shield and want to give the shield all the equipment and training in the world to deescalate so no one gets hurt, but if that’s not possible then it’s on the offender. lmao sit the gently caress down
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willie_dee posted:Give me a knife and give you all of those things and you try and arrest me. The risk to your life is significant. Rubber bullets and tasers very very often do not work. Of course, rubber bullets are harmless and have never killed anyone. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chile-protests/chiles-police-chief-suspends-use-of-rubber-bullets-idUSKBN1XU09J quote:
One weird tip for fashy police: aim for their lefty loving eyes
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NZAmoeba posted:The public had already stopped the attacker, not the police. And once they saw the vest the police told everyone to back away and the attacker tried to take the final guy hostage with a leglock. You can see this in the videos. "ye but wait tho" isn't really an option when the dude potentially rigged to explode is trying to grab members of the public.
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willie_dee posted:but if that’s not possible then it’s on the offender. oh so now it's the guy's fault he got shot please, please, look at what you are saying. Ask yourself why you are privileging the lives of police officers over others. Ask yourself why your posts are attracting so much negative attention. Change your mind, it is wrong.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Do you only ever turn up in threads because you want to wank to cops killing people? I read the thread religiously, it’s where I get my news and know who to follow on Twitter for good takes (or see bad takes torn apart), I only post when it’s a subject I know I’m going to be schooled on and disagreed with so I can learn or at least get other opinions.
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Flayer posted:There are videos of this incident from multiple different angles, you can see exactly what happened. Members of the public had disarmed the attacked and were holding him down, the police came along to deal with it and the man tried to get up in what looked like an attempt to go after the last civilian to get off him and the police shot the attacker while backing off slowly. lmao, this is pure fantasy. To be it looks like they freaked out from seeing a bomb vest, but you dont need to wank of the coppers this hard dude.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/29/michael-gove-political-horror-show-chills-soul-stormzyquote:Beneath the remains of Chernobyl’s reactor No 4, there is a gigantic accumulation of radioactive material known as the “elephant’s foot”. It is the most toxic object on the face of the planet. The elephant’s foot is not itself sick, is not itself dying, but if you spend more than a couple of minutes in its presence, you yourself will become sick and die.
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Superterranean posted:oh so now it's the guy's fault he got shot Hahaha
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OwlFancier posted:If you take the position that crime is a social problem, which you should, then the duty of the police is as much to the criminal as to everyone else, the criminal has a right to a trial and just generally not to be arbitrarily executed because the police don't want to get hurt. They were prying a bloke right off him though and there were other people extremely close by.
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TheRat posted:lmao, this is pure fantasy. To be it looks like they freaked out from seeing a bomb vest, but you dont need to wank of the coppers this hard dude.
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Superterranean posted:oh so now it's the guy's fault he got shot That’s why I’m here posting and not some right wing hell hole like OcUK Forums debate section or some poo poo.
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Superterranean posted:oh so now it's the guy's fault he got shot I mean, I'm not glad he got shot but come on
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Bape Culture posted:Err they did shoot to disable. The guy is clearly alive on videos after that original shot and everyone backs away presumably because they think there’s a bomb. you don't die instantly unless you get shot through the head
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Flayer posted:There are videos of this incident from multiple different angles, you can see exactly what happened. Members of the public had disarmed the attacked and were holding him down, the police came along to deal with it and the man tried to get up in what looked like an attempt to go after the last civilian to get off him and the police shot the attacker while backing off slowly. Dude, the MET lie. They'll always lie.
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