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For me, it hinges on what the alleged bomb vest is. If it's another unseasonably warm sweater to justify the shooting then we're hosed. If it's a fake bomb vest like the last london bridge attack that was iirc silver cylinder arranged on a belt across the chest then it is pretty justified, no?
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Flayer posted:What about it is a fantasy? The videos are all over Twitter. We've all seen and commented on the videos and they do not show the yank cowboy wet dream you were describing. And if they did, it would be textbook extrajudicial killing.
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Jose posted:you don't die instantly unless you get shot through the head Perfect. So they nailed it. No problem.
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willie_dee posted:That’s why I’m here posting and not some right wing hell hole like OcUK Forums debate section or some poo poo. on behalf of every other poster in this thread I strongly urge you to rethink this decision
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Fumble posted:He was pinned to the ground, then shot in the head, iirc it was because he was wearing a puffa jacket after 1998 He was in an underground carriage when he was shot in front of other passengers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes RockyB posted:Of course, rubber bullets are harmless and have never killed anyone. I only found out in the past few years that 'rubber bullets' are in fact rubber coated steel bullets.
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TTerrible posted:For me, it hinges on what the alleged bomb vest is. If it's another unseasonably warm sweater to justify the shooting then we're hosed. If it's a fake bomb vest like the last london bridge attack that was iirc silver cylinder arranged on a belt across the chest then it is pretty justified, no? Agreed
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Julio Cruz posted:so if I'm a Met copper with an MP5 and a bulletproof vest on I can blow someone away the minute they pull out a flick knife? If a suspect has a knife, is ignoring commands to drop it and is being told they are going to get shot, and they then advance on someone else, be it the police or a member of the public, then they should be shot. They got fair warning and they are still insisting on wanting to be able to stab someone. You don’t get to stab people in this country.
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TTerrible posted:For me, it hinges on what the alleged bomb vest is. If it's another unseasonably warm sweater to justify the shooting then we're hosed. If it's a fake bomb vest like the last london bridge attack that was iirc silver cylinder arranged on a belt across the chest then it is pretty justified, no? if he's wearing a real bomb vest then shooting him dead is a pretty bad decision if he's got a dead man's switch built in
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willie_dee posted:I’d rather protect my human shield than the person I’m using the shield to protect myself from. The shield is doing a job and not offensive, the offender is putting that shield in that position. If one of them is going to get hurt I would rather it not be the shield and want to give the shield all the equipment and training in the world to deescalate so no one gets hurt, but if that’s not possible then it’s on the offender. The job of police is to de-escalate a situation. There's always a chance that the screaming dude with a knife is looking to commit suicide by cop, or is a paranoid schizophrenic trying to make the alien spiders go away. Sometimes, like in a domestic dispute, they even have a good reason to be waving that knife around. The job of police is to put themselves in the firing line so everybody makes it out alive. Kind of like how it's better that a firefighter dies or gets injured than that anyone they're rescuing does. They're public servants, given power and authority in order to help others and keep them safe. Putting themselves first is a dangerous dereliction of that service, not least because that power and authority makes it difficult to get rid of abusive cops.
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Bape Culture posted:Simply expose your swords which have been carefully hidden inside your xxxxl imitation leather trench coat and talk the attacker down using logic showing there is no god. One simple tip from dozy depressed dipshits that the police don’t want you to know about!!! Bape Culture posted:That poor stabber I hope he’s okay Bape Culture posted:Imagine being a terrorist. Going out to stab people. Getting beat up by the general public and then shot in the face by a cop on video lol. Bape Culture posted:Go outside Bape Culture posted:Such a bad take ahahaha Forums user Bape Culture, do you still stand by this post that you made in the March 2019 edition of UKMT? BapeCulture posted:
Is your position still: Bape Culture posted:Lol I’m not changing that
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TheRat posted:Also daily reminder that willie_dee is fash and Bape Culture is a troll account.
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willie_dee posted:If a suspect has a knife, is ignoring commands to drop it and is being told they are going to get shot, and they then advance on someone else, be it the police or a member of the public, then they should be shot. Hey, you know how you come on this thread to see bad takes get torn apart? This is a bad take and I'm glad you're getting torn apart
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Julio Cruz posted:if he's wearing a real bomb vest then shooting him dead is a pretty bad decision if he's got a dead man's switch built in I'm pretty sure the ratio of complicated dead mans switch : simple bang button is going to skew that decision.
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willie_dee posted:If a suspect has a knife, is ignoring commands to drop it and is being told they are going to get shot, and they then advance on someone else, be it the police or a member of the public, then they should be shot. What happens if they don't speak English? Or are deaf? Or a big lorry went past at just that moment?
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A troll account Because I don’t follow the latest up to date what words are offensive on twitter and think that the police in the case acted well. These forums are insane.
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TTerrible posted:I'm pretty sure the ratio of complicated dead mans switch : simple bang button is going to skew that decision. how about the ratio of real bomb vest : fake bomb vest?
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Bape Culture posted:A troll account Because I don’t follow the latest up to date what words are offensive on twitter and think that the police in the case acted well. These forums are insane. Feel free to gently caress off then.
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Fumble posted:He was pinned to the ground, then shot in the head, iirc it was because he was wearing a puffa jacket after 1998 Bianca off Eastenders was still wearing hers this year
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TheRat posted:Also daily reminder that willie_dee is fash and Bape Culture is a troll account. Every where else in life I’m called a liberal lefty terrorist sympathising Corbyn cultist, here is the only place I can come to get challenged on use of force in policing. It is insane to me that you would jump to calling me fash but then, the left has an ongoing habit of eating itself allowing the right to unify despite some differences of opinions.
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Bape Culture posted:A troll account Because I don’t follow the latest up to date what words are offensive on twitter and think that the police in the case acted well. These forums are insane. Do one, Lord Ashcroft. https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1200451614257102849
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Bape Culture posted:A troll account Because I don’t follow the latest up to date what words are offensive on twitter and think that the police in the case acted well. These forums are insane. A troll account because you've been a troll account for as long as I can remember. Your TRP posting is like pissflaps squared.
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willie_dee posted:Every where else in life I’m called a liberal lefty terrorist sympathising Corbyn cultist, here is the only place I can come to get challenged on use of force in policing. loving lol this is some "how do you do fellow leftists" poo poo anyway I'm done with you and your Tom Clancy wankfic now
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The point is, whenever the police shoots someone dead, we should never question anything about the situation. It was probably justified, their jobs are very hard, and you are also justifying terrorism. In fact, anybody questioning the loving mets are likely on Putin's payroll.
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OwlFancier posted:Feel free to gently caress off then. Feel free to post absolute nonsense from your mothers spare room while stuffing crisps into your fat gaping maw you utter loving failure. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Julio Cruz posted:What happens if they don't speak English? Or are deaf? Or a big lorry went past at just that moment? What happens if the taser doesn’t work and the poor knife man stabs 3 babies to death you didn’t see whilst gently trying to deescalate as some poor woman’s just pushed her triplets onto the scene oblivious as to what is going on. We can all play the what if game.
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I know it would go over bad but I really hope someone asks Bono why there’s been a terror attack right before this election, last election and the Brexit vote? The answer is obviously “to try to influence the vote”, the follow-up being “to whose benefit?” E: is it really that hard to parse that a living terrorist is more useful to the police than a dead one? Calico Heart fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Nov 29, 2019 |
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willie_dee posted:Every where else in life I’m called a liberal lefty terrorist sympathising Corbyn cultist, Sure you are champ, sure you are,
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Bape Culture posted:Feel free to post absolute nonsense from your mothers spare room while stuffing crisps into your fat gaping maw you utter loving failure. Lol I’m getting far more torn into than you are, no need to get like this. I don’t think anyone’s posting here in bad spirits.
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Bape Culture posted:Feel free to post absolute nonsense from your mothers spare room while stuffing crisps into your fat gaping maw you utter loving failure. Dont you dare shame someone for eating crisps itt you monster 
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Bape Culture posted:Feel free to post absolute nonsense from your mothers spare room while stuffing crisps into your fat gaping maw you utter loving failure. lol is this you trying hard?
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TheRat posted:A troll account because you've been a troll account for as long as I can remember. Your TRP posting is like pissflaps squared. why troll and not actual fash?
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Julio Cruz posted:how about the ratio of real bomb vest : fake bomb vest? I genuinely don't understand what you're arguing. Ok so they have a dead mans switch so the police don't shoot them because they'll explode. They can now explode at the time and place of their choosing and we do ??? to mitigate this. Just play keep away until they die of exhaustion? Why are attackers wearing fake vests? is it to invite a confrontation with the police and force them to shoot? Is it some kind of insurance policy against something I haven't thought of? I can't have any real opposition to police immediately shooting dead anyone who appears (seriously, not a sweater) to have a bomb vest. In the time it takes an armed police officer to work out conclusively, if this is even possible, it could be triggered and more people could be hurt. They forfeit a lot of right to reasonable accommodations when stabbing people whilst wearing an imitation bomb, imo.
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Bape Culture posted:A troll account Because I don’t follow the latest up to date what words are offensive on twitter and think that the police in the case acted well. These forums are insane. Mong has been a ghastly eugenicist bullshit word since the Thirties. The loving Nazis referred to 'mongoloids' in their child euthanasia programmes. It's never been a remotely OK thing to call someone.
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TTerrible posted:I'm pretty sure the ratio of complicated dead mans switch : simple bang button is going to skew that decision. Dead man's switch: Normally closed switch. Not much difference. They were right next to each other at Maplin 
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Nosfereefer posted:Sure you are champ, sure you are, 3 days ago I had someone decry me for being a socialist for criticising landlords on twitter and pointing out that leaving your tenants home made chutney didn’t make up for the extreme exploitation of the renting class by the land lord class. I’m fairly sure some posters in here have had my back on Twitter and vice versa, maybe they don’t realise it’s me because I only post in here when I want to be told why I’m wrong.
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