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Blackbelt Bobman
Jul 17, 2004

I don't need friends! I've been
manipulatin' you since the start!
All so I can something,
something X-Blade!


Edit:wrong thread somehow?

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Ventana
Mar 28, 2010

*Yosh intensifies*
I thought we had people in this thread who never played KH2 originally but played 2FM crit first and did ok, though it would be on the harder side yes.

By the time I played 2FM crit, I had completely forgotten what normal KH2 was like so idk I think it's fine, but maybe it is arguably a bit different if it's someone who's had 0 exposure to KH gameplay and is going through them now.

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 35 hours!
Yeah, this is my first time playing through and I got the entire franchise on my PS4 thanks to that sale. I'll stick to proud and watch any secret endings on youtube.

Blackbelt Bobman
Jul 17, 2004

I don't need friends! I've been
manipulatin' you since the start!
All so I can something,
something X-Blade!


Most of the secret endings can be unlocked without much hassle on Proud, you probably won’t miss much. Except maybe the Extra secret one in KHII that requires the gold crown, but spoilers it’s basically just the opening to BBS.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

It's also not really worth stressing about secret endings since they are both mostly ads for sequels and easily youtubed

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

ImpAtom posted:

It's also not really worth stressing about secret endings since they are both mostly ads for sequels and easily youtubed

Ahem

Ads for prequel sequels that wouldn't be made for five years

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

<3
I am extremely unhappy Xion came back in KH3 because now I can't make the jokes that nobody remembers her. So here, have this instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV6Apkaborw

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 35 hours!
I'm heading into the End of the World part, so, some thoughts on KHFM

-It's very, very fascinating to see how PS2 this game feels. In some ways it's very refreshing, how "small" everything is, meaning you get so much progression done compared to modern games.
-Tinkerbell's rear end is bigger than some worlds.
-The story's very sweet and interesting.
-Some fights are frustrating, but in that cusp where the grinding to beat it with stats is fine/fun (the colosseum is great), or just learning the fight is satisfying.
-Riku after Maleficent Dragon was extremely fun. Timing the parrying is just the most satisfying thing.
-That's why Ursula is the worst fight; the swordplay is great, but swimming/flying just cuts off most of what you earn for it.
-How the mobs cycled around in the Hollow Bastion segment (as in the enemies there, going back to some other spots and oneshotting tons of things, then opening the hole leading to the Hollow Bastion's mobs appearing everywhere, but the Hollow Bastion getting older buffed up dudes) was a neat way of reusing stuff.

Off to beat teh game maybe i guess

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Taco Defender
KH1 and KH2 are some of the best jrpgs ever made. The quality takes a dip after that, but the others are ok too.

I blame the current flaws on them removing all the SE characters. They never really relied on them but peppered in to contrast the disney stuff really made the games gems.

Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Nov 29, 2019

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Ursula on hard ranks as one of the worst things I have ever endured in a videogame

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Ah Army, get ready for the HAMTASTIC Billy Zane Ansem, the best thing in Kingdom Hearts forever

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 35 hours!

Sakurazuka posted:

Ursula on hard ranks as one of the worst things I have ever endured in a videogame

I kept going at it, and getting loving nowhere, so I went to Halloweentown, then neverland, then the colosseum; literally all the way around that circuit and a detour and then i just destroyed her poo poo with phat stats.

Burkion posted:

Ah Army, get ready for the HAMTASTIC Billy Zane Ansem, the best thing in Kingdom Hearts forever

Soon as i destroy those three parts of the kingdom hearts logo enemy waves with limited items and seemingly no way to reach a savepoint and stock up hahah....

MorningMoon fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Nov 29, 2019

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008




I finally beat the game a couple weeks ago and my thoughts are as follows:

1) The combat needs to be dumpstered and overhauled.

2) The story has gone so far up its own rear end it needs to be rebooted.

3) I still have very fond memories of the first two games and a couple of the side ones but if they are going to keep making them exactly like this I don’t know if I’m going to continue. This makes me sad.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

ArmyOfMidgets posted:

Soon as i destroy those three parts of the kingdom hearts logo enemy waves with limited items and seemingly no way to reach a savepoint and stock up hahah....

That's one of the shittiest parts in the whole series.

HGH
Dec 20, 2011
I feel FM definitely made that room way worse, I don't recall it being that much of a slog originally.

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013
Probation
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So i'm taking a break, did make it past that room, Tinkerbell is the best btw. I'm stocked up and at the final boss rush, but i'm having trouble with Ansen already. Is there a suggested level I should grind to to do the whole ending stuff?

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

ArmyOfMidgets posted:

So i'm taking a break, did make it past that room, Tinkerbell is the best btw. I'm stocked up and at the final boss rush, but i'm having trouble with Ansen already. Is there a suggested level I should grind to to do the whole ending stuff?

If you can beat him until he grows big, you're past the worst of it.


Pro tip- once you're in the final phase, you CAN land and summon Tinkerbell because she is the best summon and basically just get ready to face tank the goddamn world

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 35 hours!

Burkion posted:

If you can beat him until he grows big, you're past the worst of it.


Pro tip- once you're in the final phase, you CAN land and summon Tinkerbell because she is the best summon and basically just get ready to face tank the goddamn world

I keep falling for "SUBMIT" in Ansen 1 At The Beach. :(

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

ArmyOfMidgets posted:

I keep falling for "SUBMIT" in Ansen 1 At The Beach. :(

Here's the main thing there. Like so long as you're at least level 40, you can take him it's just

Well, it's hard. I'm sure you've noticed this now, but the game's combat evolves as it goes on- you gain new mechanics and new ways of attacking and new abilities, and all of that goes into this final battle. Dodging, blocking, healing, strike raids, you're going to need all of them to break Ansem.

It's like the Riku fight, but even bigger. Leveling up further will only help you be able to take more hits or to hit him harder, the name of the game with Ansem is dodge and block all that you can and hit him as often as you can. This is the fight dodge roll was born for

HGH
Dec 20, 2011
If you get hit by Submit/the Guardian's swipe attack, just back off and play defensively. Put up Aero/ra/ga, use items, just avoid being overly aggressive and accidentally getting stunned/grabbed midcombo.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Taco Defender

Invalid Validation posted:

I finally beat the game a couple weeks ago and my thoughts are as follows:

1) The combat needs to be dumpstered and overhauled.

2) The story has gone so far up its own rear end it needs to be rebooted.

3) I still have very fond memories of the first two games and a couple of the side ones but if they are going to keep making them exactly like this I don’t know if I’m going to continue. This makes me sad.

1.Things have only really gone downhill since BBS. The series started out as a sweet action rpg mixing disney and SE, now disney character just cast final fantasy spells.
2.I'm pretty sure they are dumping the story after kh3.
3.Pretty much right on with the 3rd thing. Alot of the disney stuff was just like a walk through a disneyland park that had barely anything to do with the story that they put at the end of all the disney land parks.

Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Nov 30, 2019

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
The two Ansem fights on the fake Destiny Islands are two of the worst fights in the game

Roxas is the worst one in KH2 meanwhile

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Tenzarin posted:

1.Things have only really gone downhill since BBS. The series started out as a sweet action rpg mixing disney and SE, now disney character just cast final fantasy spells.
2.I'm pretty sure they are dumping the story after kh3.
3.Pretty much right on with the 3rd thing. Alot of the disney stuff was just like a walk through a disneyland park that had barely anything to do with the story that they put at the end of all the disney land parks.

KH3 honestly probably did more with Disney stuff than any game since KH1.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Never forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0x47OiG82M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtS4XBYKbXs

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



drrockso20 posted:

Roxas is the worst one in KH2 meanwhile

what the gently caress

TheLoneStar
Feb 9, 2017

SyntheticPolygon posted:

KH3 honestly probably did more with Disney stuff than any game since KH1.
I mean maybe, but the worlds still barely effected the story. Sora just had this vague goal of re-learning the Power of Waking by...just wandering around Disney worlds, and was also sort of looking for Terra too. Neither of those things were impacted even remotely within the Disney worlds at all. The new Princesses of Heart didn't do anything for the main story except give unnecessary extra incentive to find the Seven Lights which was the main goal anyway. Maleficent and Pete continued to have no bearing on the main plot, just going around blindly looking for the Black Box but doing gently caress-all in the end. Also Corona, Arendelle, and The Caribbean were really bad in terms of giving new and interesting stories that several of the other games in the series would.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

I was talking comparatively. Just about every KH game has a main story that is only really relevant right at the start and right at the end of the game, with maybe a mid game interlude as well. And all that stuff is with original plot. KH1 is the exception because the princesses are macguffins and Maleficent is the main villain until the twist that it was an original bad guy. Other KH games just don't have the twist.

KH3 isn't any different than other games in that regard but I feel it still tries to do a little more with it. Like yeah, the new princesses of heart don't matter at all but there's stuff like the advice Herc gives Sora being something that gets called back to a couple of times, or trying to tie in parts of the Toy Story world to heartless stuff. I guess all i'm saying is even with Arendelle being a really bad level (and man, it's really bad) I think it still overall does more with the Disney worlds than like KH2.

E: I mean in basically every game the Disney worlds are just there for like fun romps through a disney playground swinging your magic stick at bad dudes, but I definitely think KH3 is better at trying to do some stuff with most of its levels than any of the side-games at least.

SyntheticPolygon fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Nov 30, 2019

Caidin
Oct 29, 2011
The only world in kh3 I outright disliked was Arendelle, mostly it's too much ice level that blatantly resents being in a kingdom hearts game so the plot is kept off in the distance and you get slapped in back of the head whenever you get close to it.

I thought potc 3 was kind of neat in that Tia Dalma knows exactly what Sora is and what he's capable of so she's keeping him on the table but they can't actually go anywhere with that and it's an adaptation of a movie Sora doesn't really have a place in so your just elsewhere until it's time for one of the big set pieces.

TheLoneStar
Feb 9, 2017

SyntheticPolygon posted:

I was talking comparatively. Just about every KH game has a main story that is only really relevant right at the start and right at the end of the game, with maybe a mid game interlude as well. And all that stuff is with original plot. KH1 is the exception because the princesses are macguffins and Maleficent is the main villain until the twist that it was an original bad guy. Other KH games just don't have the twist.

KH3 isn't any different than other games in that regard but I feel it still tries to do a little more with it. Like yeah, the new princesses of heart don't matter at all but there's stuff like the advice Herc gives Sora being something that gets called back to a couple of times, or trying to tie in parts of the Toy Story world to heartless stuff. I guess all i'm saying is even with Arendelle being a really bad level (and man, it's really bad) I think it still overall does more with the Disney worlds than like KH2.

E: I mean in basically every game the Disney worlds are just there for like fun romps through a disney playground swinging your magic stick at bad dudes, but I definitely think KH3 is better at trying to do some stuff with most of its levels than any of the side-games at least.
Yeah, you're right, but that still isn't saying too much. It's just so unfortunate because Nomura is being held back by Disney who won't let him stray too far when they don't want to and it's clear he wants to do more with these Disney worlds. Honestly I really loved how Kingdom Hearts II had you revisit most of the worlds to partake in events that'd occur after the main movie plot (plus Kingdom Hearts) ends. They may not have impacted the main story, but they were still fun and creative.

Hercules literally gave the most generic advice in the history of anime which was "Follow your heart and try your best." so I can't put much stock into it. I will agree, Arendelle was a shitshow and the Let It Go shilling almost made me roll my eyes out of my head.

The Pixar and Big Hero 6 were easily the best worlds in terms of their self-contained stories, it's such a shame Disney didn't grant that freedom in the other worlds.

Also, I'm surprised at how little poo poo Corona gets for having half the cutscenes lifted straight from the movie, line-for-line and motion-by-motion. Sure, it's impressive to see such quality non-crucial animations from Kingdom Hearts, but if I wanted to watch Tangled, I'd just go watch Tangled.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

I kinda liked Corona honestly. The ending is just a movie retread with little deviation but I liked how over the nature walk there were a bunch of scenes that were just the gang playing around with Rapunzel and Flynn. And KH usually doesn’t do a whole lot of bonding with the temporary party members so I thought that was neat.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Gothel totally killed two of Marluxia's Nobodies with a stick.

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

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Both Donald and Sora know loving Cure, possibly Cura at that point I don't remember, and they don't use it. You psychopaths almost let a man die.

Blackbelt Bobman
Jul 17, 2004

I don't need friends! I've been
manipulatin' you since the start!
All so I can something,
something X-Blade!


drrockso20 posted:

The two Ansem fights on the fake Destiny Islands are two of the worst fights in the game

Roxas is the worst one in KH2 meanwhile

What the hell is this hot take :sora:


That second one, along with Woody saying "Whatever it is you're talking about, I don't care" to Young Xehanort were the two times I was laughing so hard I had to pause the game. That poo poo is amazing.

TheLoneStar posted:

I mean maybe, but the worlds still barely effected the story. Sora just had this vague goal of re-learning the Power of Waking by...just wandering around Disney worlds, and was also sort of looking for Terra too. Neither of those things were impacted even remotely within the Disney worlds at all. The new Princesses of Heart didn't do anything for the main story except give unnecessary extra incentive to find the Seven Lights which was the main goal anyway. Maleficent and Pete continued to have no bearing on the main plot, just going around blindly looking for the Black Box but doing gently caress-all in the end. Also Corona, Arendelle, and The Caribbean were really bad in terms of giving new and interesting stories that several of the other games in the series would.

Disney told them they weren't allowed to have Sora affect the stories at all. Meanwhile, Pixar was like "gently caress yeah you can write a completely new story!"

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Mike and Sully destroying anime isn't just one of the highlights of KH3, it's one of the highlights of the entire drat KH series

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream
Yeah the Pixar worlds (And the pirates one for being the Sea goddess just trying to make sure Sora has a fun time and doesn't get into any of the messed up stuff real piracy was) are legit some of the most fun any of the Disney properties have ever been in the franchise.

Wellwinds
Mar 20, 2010

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

Yeah the Pixar worlds (And the pirates one for being the Sea goddess just trying to make sure Sora has a fun time and doesn't get into any of the messed up stuff real piracy was) are legit some of the most fun any of the Disney properties have ever been in the franchise.

I like the meta narrative of kid friendly pirate ride being turned into a somewhat gritter movie and then sora gets the kid friendly theme park ride version of that world

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



the disney worlds that try to keep the movie stories completely separate from the game's are always the worst ones. wish they'd stop doing that but lol that's not gonna happen

Blackbelt Bobman
Jul 17, 2004

I don't need friends! I've been
manipulatin' you since the start!
All so I can something,
something X-Blade!


Why do that when you can halfass Frozen and sell five million copies???

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream

Blackbelt Bobman posted:

Why do that when you can halfass Frozen and sell five million copies???

I mean if you think that was the decision of the game designers and not Disney going "YOU CANNOT gently caress UP OUR BIGGEST MONEY MAKING PRINCESS MOVIE BUT YOU ALSO MUST INCLUDE IT" I dunno what to tell you.

But also half assing the stories of disney movies was like 99% of KH1 and that sold big time too so

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drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
I'll admit I've put a fair amount of thought into how a Kingdom Hearts reboot would go, and one of the biggest things would be a fairly simple one; have Malificent's cabal of Disney Villains stay relevant for more than one game and give them more to do

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