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Gripweed posted:I read Captain America Corps. The idea of the Avengers collapsing early on and a fascist superhero team taking their place and that steering the future of America is really neat. Unfortunately Captain America Corps has basically zero interest in actually exploring it. And the comic is bogged down by it's needlessly complicated explanation of how the time travel/reality hopping to make that happen and put the Corps together happened. Captain America Corps isn't very good, and it would be completely unmemorable except for thing. It introduced me to my new favorite super villain, Superia. It's still a better 'a bunch of different versions/incarnations of the same hero team up' story than Dan Slott's Spider-Verse.
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Dec 1, 2019 02:37
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I think Princeless is supposed to be generally well-regarded by people looking for comics to pass on to young kids and Jeremy Whitley has done some good stuff but other than I've never seen or heard of anything at all compelling coming out of Action Lab.
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Dec 1, 2019 02:50
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Gripweed posted:When is Superia gonna be in a movie? The fans demand Superia! Before the end of that decade, one of those characters will be an Avenger, though with a much better costume.
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Dec 1, 2019 04:56
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I had an idea for an Avengers run that would involve a sizable chunk of the team being former villains, among them would be finally fixing that bullshit about Sandman getting turned into a villain again
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Dec 1, 2019 05:16
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drrockso20 posted:I had an idea for an Avengers run that would involve a sizable chunk of the team being former villains, among them would be finally fixing that bullshit about Sandman getting turned into a villain again There's a history of that, what with "Cap's Kooky Quartet" (Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver), plus Songbird. I'm a real sucker for villains reforming and seeking redemption. Still hoping the MCU does something cool with Zemo, Ghost, and even Vulture to redeem them.
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Dec 1, 2019 06:07
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Archyduchess posted:I think Princeless is supposed to be generally well-regarded by people looking for comics to pass on to young kids and Jeremy Whitley has done some good stuff but other than I've never seen or heard of anything at all compelling coming out of Action Lab. Tbh i havent actually read princeless itself, but the spinoff raven the pirate princess is literally about pirate ship full of lesbians. Its amazing
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Dec 1, 2019 07:41
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IUG posted:Piracy is what got me into buying physical comics in the first place. I heard about Civil War, and thought it was interesting for Captain America to say no to the government. My last comics before that were the adaptations of the '92 X-Men cartoon. I read that whole series and the spinoffs illegally. I really liked this character called "Deadpool" from the Cable & Deadpool tie-in, and went out and bought those issues. Then I bought Deadpool's first appearance for like $10 bucks. Eventually I tracked down and bought the Civil War books and main tie-ins. Now I'm buying probably around $100-200 a month from my shop. I also became a comics fan because of the pirated books I read, but let's not pretend that pirating content is a good thing. It is the least of the problems in the current industry, though.
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Dec 1, 2019 07:43
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Gripweed posted:I read Captain America Corps. The idea of the Avengers collapsing early on and a fascist superhero team taking their place and that steering the future of America is really neat. Unfortunately Captain America Corps has basically zero interest in actually exploring it. And the comic is bogged down by it's needlessly complicated explanation of how the time travel/reality hopping to make that happen and put the Corps together happened. Captain America Corps isn't very good, and it would be completely unmemorable except for thing. It introduced me to my new favorite super villain, Superia. It's disturbing that Marvel was still doing "feminist character is just a supervillain trying to Destroy All Men" stories as late as the '90s.
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Dec 1, 2019 13:29
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Senior Woodchuck posted:It's disturbing that Marvel was still doing "feminist character is just a supervillain trying to Destroy All Men" stories as late as the '90s. It's not one of Gruenwald's better stories. To put it mildly.
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Dec 1, 2019 14:53
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Gruenwald kept going back to that well, too. He did like 3-4 storylines about crazed feminist straw-women villains attacking Cap and the Avengers. Cap even briefly had a sidekick who was a recovering brainwashed minion of Superia, so she'd be like "I hate these men!!!! But Cap showed me that not all men are bad, just the villains, but I'm still a misandrist internally!"
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Dec 1, 2019 15:51
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The Harley Quinn show looks good https://twitter.com/magicbIazer/status/1200930920997384192?s=20
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Dec 1, 2019 17:23
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Random Stranger posted:It's not one of Gruenwald's better stories. To put it mildly. I think it's the worst part of his run by far-- a lot of the other notoriously bad arcs are at least campy fun, like the werewolf stuff or the thing where Baron Zemo marries his dad (although now that I think about it that arc also features some of Gruenwald's weirdly nasty anti-feminist streak via Free Spirit and more Superia stuff). Edit: I always accidentally give Superia too much credit as a character by calling her Suspiria.
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Dec 1, 2019 18:38
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Archyduchess posted:the thing where Baron Zemo marries his dad ahahahaha what? I absolutely do not remember this. I can't remember when I fell off of Gruenwald's Cap run, but I'm pretty sure it was a point at which I realized "oh, man, they're really determined to stick with Rik Levins." I was overly willing to ride out a weak link in the creative chain if there was a creator and/or character I was really fond of, but... yeesh, man.
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Dec 2, 2019 14:05
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Pastry of the Year posted:ahahahaha what? I absolutely do not remember this. I can't remember when I fell off of Gruenwald's Cap run, but I'm pretty sure it was a point at which I realized "oh, man, they're really determined to stick with Rik Levins." I was overly willing to ride out a weak link in the creative chain if there was a creator and/or character I was really fond of, but... yeesh, man. Captain America #431-434, which also features the debut of Jack Flag, the guy with the laser-shooting boombox. It's a follow-up to the 1992 OGN Spider-Man: Fear Itself in which Baron Zemo the elder resurrects himself in a female body. Well, she's back, and this time she's married to her son.   To be fair Gruenwald does half-heartedly try to retcon the Baroness into only pretending to be the original Zemo, but in a way that doesn't make much sense. Let's face the facts. Two Baron Zemos got married. Edit: The second scan is from Fear Itself, that "lovely, exotic female" line is all Conway.
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Is this like a case of "opps, didn't look into who the character really was, just thought it was a female Baron Zemo, and didn't realize I had someone marry their dad"? Like how Donna Troy came to be?
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Dec 2, 2019 16:31
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Covok posted:Is this like a case of "opps, didn't look into who the character really was, just thought it was a female Baron Zemo, and didn't realize I had someone marry their dad"? Like how Donna Troy came to be? Not really, I think if anyone would know their Zemos it would be Gruenwald. He has the Baroness say early on in the plot that she was just lying about being a reincarnation of Heinrich, which doesn't make much sense because in the OGN she had chosen to be reborn as a woman precisely so that nobody would know who she was. I think Gruenwald was just burnt out and liked the plot idea of a Zemo family-- there's a whole separate thread about him kidnapping children from abusive homes and dressing them up in kid-sized Zemo costumes-- and for whatever reason really just wanted to use a pre-existing character instead of creating a very similar new one. 
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Dec 2, 2019 16:41
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Archyduchess posted:Not really, I think if anyone would know their Zemos it would be Gruenwald. He has the Baroness say early on in the plot that she was just lying about being a reincarnation of Heinrich, which doesn't make much sense because in the OGN she had chosen to be reborn as a woman precisely so that nobody would know who she was. I think Gruenwald was just burnt out and liked the plot idea of a Zemo family-- there's a whole separate thread about him kidnapping children from abusive homes and dressing them up in kid-sized Zemo costumes-- and for whatever reason really just wanted to use a pre-existing character instead of creating a very similar new one. I see two crimes here. The kidnapping......and Cap's costume. Am I right? Am I right?!
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Dec 2, 2019 17:01
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Madkal posted:I see two crimes here. The kidnapping......and Cap's costume. Am I right? Am I right?! I mean the kidnapping is extra weird because Zemo points out that all the kids were taken from abusive or neglectful homes, and then at the end of the story Cap is just like "ok great, now you can all go back to your lovely homes, you're welcome." I do kind of admire that at this point his big new 90s revamp is mostly just tacking new detritus onto his existing costume although IIRC he gets a more radical overhaul shortly after this.
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Dec 2, 2019 17:06
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That was early in the FIGHTING CHANCE arc. The serum was breaking down so Cap's enhancements were fading and he was fated to die yadda yadda yadda get to the good poo poo
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Dec 2, 2019 17:35
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Archyduchess posted:I do kind of admire that at this point his big new 90s revamp is mostly just tacking new detritus onto his existing costume although IIRC he gets a more radical overhaul shortly after this. 
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Dec 2, 2019 18:04
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FilthyImp posted:D...does he have wrist-strapped forearm pouches??? It's amazing that he can have dozens of pouches and still the most offensive thing about his costume are the shoulder pads.
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Dec 2, 2019 18:44
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FilthyImp posted:D...does he have wrist-strapped forearm pouches??? No, as far as I can tell he just has straps on his arms that don't do anything. 
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Dec 2, 2019 18:47
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Rob Liefield is to pouches as Testuya Norma is to belts and zippers.
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Archyduchess posted:I think Gruenwald was just burnt out and liked the plot idea of a Zemo family-- there's a whole separate thread about him kidnapping children from abusive homes and dressing them up in kid-sized Zemo costumes-- and for whatever reason really just wanted to use a pre-existing character instead of creating a very similar new one.
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It also led to a lot of reformed villains un-reforming with no explanation and characters rising from the dead. Even just his use of Zemo Jr. often clashed with what other writers, usually JM Dematteis, were doing with him. The famous Attack on Avengers Mansion storyline came just a few months after Helmut died trying to stop Red Skull after realizing his quest for vengeance was misguided, for example.
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Archyduchess posted:Captain America #431-434, which also features the debut of Jack Flag, the guy with the laser-shooting boombox. It's a follow-up to the 1992 OGN Spider-Man: Fear Itself in which Baron Zemo the elder resurrects himself in a female body. Well, she's back, and this time she's married to her son. Jack flagg and american eagle are both very good characters.
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Dec 2, 2019 22:36
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Every one in a while I'll remember that Jack Flagg was a Guardian of the Galaxy. What a world.
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Edge & Christian posted:Gruenwald wrote a lot of shop-talk columns and his vision of a shared universe was that basically you should never create a new character where an existing character could fit the bill. It's a nice enough idea in theory, but in practice it led to a lot of narrative backflips in the work of Gruenwald and a lot of other writers of this era; just because you don't want forty characters with ice powers to exist doesn't mean that either of the two ice-powered criminals currently unaccounted for will fit well into the story you're trying to write. I wonder how many of the new characters he did create-- especially around 1993 or so on where it began to feel like he was really alienated from Marvel and some of his stuff took on kind of a more rueful edge-- were editorially mandated? Like this arc introduced not only Jack Flagg but also Free Spirit and I don't think either of them turned out to be worth not just creating another Baroness Zemo.
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Dec 3, 2019 03:06
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So the preview of Green Lantern: Blackstars #2 just came out and man Morrison is delivering what's probably the most savage burn on modern comics I've ever seen that doesn't descend into "Old Man Yells At Cloud" levels(probably helps that he's definitely including himself as a target here as well)
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I love comics about comics.
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Vulpes Vulpes posted:Every one in a while I'll remember that Jack Flagg was a Guardian of the Galaxy. What a world. His arc from thunderbolts to guardians was very good.
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drrockso20 posted:So the preview of Green Lantern: Blackstars #2 just came out and man Morrison is delivering what's probably the most savage burn on modern comics I've ever seen that doesn't descend into "Old Man Yells At Cloud" levels(probably helps that he's definitely including himself as a target here as well) Can you give an example? I don't like Morrison's GL so I'm not reading Blackstars, but this sounds interesting.
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The Robert Pattinson Batman is going to be the first good Batman movie https://twitter.com/getFANDOM/status/1201653064572141568?s=20
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Archyduchess posted:No, as far as I can tell he just has straps on his arms that don't do anything. They keep his gloves from sliding off of his hands!
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Dec 3, 2019 15:49
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They're like Superboy's thigh belts! Form over function!
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Rhyno posted:They're like Superboy's thigh belts! Form over function! those are called garters
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Gripweed posted:those are called garters They're not holding anything up and there's two on one leg!
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Archyduchess posted:No, as far as I can tell he just has straps on his arms that don't do anything.
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