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withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

DurosKlav posted:

A rebel special forces commando and a bounty hunter are fairly low on the list of people likely to get caught wandering in the dark.

They got caught sneaking around after just a few minutes. Luckily they managed to plant the bomb first.

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Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

i felt carano was fine and i actually really liked her delivery on telling the story of what she did post endor, sold me

plus her hammer punching mando into the ground and generally looking awesome

DurosKlav
Jun 13, 2003

Enter your name pilot!

withak posted:

They got caught sneaking around after just a few minutes. Luckily they managed to plant the bomb first.

Because the writers made them go into a giant tent with only 1 entrance and no sight lines instead of staying out in the woods tracking the AT-ST and blowing it up before the entire camp was alerted. It was just bad writing so they could have the battle in the village with the AT-ST. They should have just made it so the bandits come back on their own and they could have still had the AT-ST attacking the village. It makes a whole lot more sense than "we're gonna sneak into the enemy camp, completely ignore the AT-ST thats most likely not guarded very well, with the pilot most likely not inside, just blow up a random thing and run away despite having complete and utter surprise on our side." Its like digging a tunnel into a bank vault and instead of just waiting till night when no one is around to rob the bank you run into the front door in the middle of the day waving your guns around and then running to the vault.

Lister
Apr 23, 2004

mllaneza posted:

Porgs happened because that island is IRL absolutely covered with birds and they came up with porgs as something to do a digital replacement with. Then the merchandizing happened, but porgs were a necessity,

I know that. My guess was that the people who's job it is to recognize what can sell saw them and then decided it was the best bet, especially confronted with so many other things that wouldn't. Nobody was going to clamor to buy the ship of the casino planet police or the new Ray figure with her hair down instead of in a triple pony tail.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Dan Didio posted:

Shock troopers are renowned for their guile and stealth.

It sounded like Cara mostly did covert stuff with no backup for the Rebellion post-Endor, taking out Imperial Warlords "fast and quiet", when she was first chatting with Mando.

Donovan Trip
Jan 6, 2007
Carano only bugged me when she sat down with Mando for an exposition dump. It felt hurried and underbaked, and maybe needed another pass at the writers table. I had to watch it twice with subtitles to understand who she was. That whole scene could've been delivered better, from writing to performance to direction, it was really crucial for world/character building.

Otherwise it was a good episode

DurosKlav
Jun 13, 2003

Enter your name pilot!

Hell I even came up with a way they could both destroy the AT-ST in camp and have it show up in the village fight where its ultimately finished off. They sneak into the camp, toss an explosive into the AT-ST and run back towards the village thinking they managed to completely destroy the AT-ST. They thing the battle with the bandits at the village is going to be a lot easier now when DUN DUN DUN a burned up but still very functioning AT-ST comes waltzing out of the woods and now the battle just got hard again. They can have Gina Carano still do all the stuff she ended up doing to finish it off and the 2 of them would have looked a whole of a lot less stupid with their plans to attack the bandit camp.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



DurosKlav posted:

Hell I even came up with a way they could both destroy the AT-ST in camp and have it show up in the village fight where its ultimately finished off. They sneak into the camp, toss an explosive into the AT-ST and run back towards the village thinking they managed to completely destroy the AT-ST. They thing the battle with the bandits at the village is going to be a lot easier now when DUN DUN DUN a burned up but still very functioning AT-ST comes waltzing out of the woods and now the battle just got hard again. They can have Gina Carano still do all the stuff she ended up doing to finish it off and the 2 of them would have looked a whole of a lot less stupid with their plans to attack the bandit camp.

Hey if you're itching for a more interactive way to experience Star Wars stories where you can flex your tactical skills, FFG has some drat fine games. Edge of the Empire would be perfect for running a game set in the grimy Outer Rim haunts of The Mandolorian and you could take on the role of Game Master and set up a scenario where you challenge your players to come up with a better way to handle a similar group of raiders than the characters on the show.

RPG thread:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3658009&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Tabletop minis game thread:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3849192&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

dudeness
Mar 5, 2010

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
Fallen Rib

happyhippy posted:

Why didn't they just sneak up on the ATST and blow it up instead of blowing something up to get its attention to lure to a trap to then blow it up?.

They couldn't penetrate the armor, and the guy who drives it is a fanatic, AT-STs are his religion, if he ever takes it off he has to leave it off forever so obviously it would be occupied.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

DurosKlav posted:

Hell I even came up with a way they could both destroy the AT-ST in camp and have it show up in the village fight where its ultimately finished off. They sneak into the camp, toss an explosive into the AT-ST and run back towards the village thinking they managed to completely destroy the AT-ST. They thing the battle with the bandits at the village is going to be a lot easier now when DUN DUN DUN a burned up but still very functioning AT-ST comes waltzing out of the woods and now the battle just got hard again. They can have Gina Carano still do all the stuff she ended up doing to finish it off and the 2 of them would have looked a whole of a lot less stupid with their plans to attack the bandit camp.

Or even just "Whoops, turns out they had a second AT-ST we didn't know about!"

LividLiquid
Apr 13, 2002

DurosKlav posted:

Because the writers made them go into a giant tent with only 1 entrance and no sight lines instead of staying out in the woods tracking the AT-ST and blowing it up before the entire camp was alerted. It was just bad writing so they could have the battle in the village with the AT-ST. They should have just made it so the bandits come back on their own and they could have still had the AT-ST attacking the village. It makes a whole lot more sense than "we're gonna sneak into the enemy camp, completely ignore the AT-ST thats most likely not guarded very well, with the pilot most likely not inside, just blow up a random thing and run away despite having complete and utter surprise on our side." Its like digging a tunnel into a bank vault and instead of just waiting till night when no one is around to rob the bank you run into the front door in the middle of the day waving your guns around and then running to the vault.
I could rebut literally every point you're making, line by line, but I already wrote paragraphs on the matter earlier, so you could scroll up and read those, if you wanted.

The things you're complaining about happened not in some Roland Emmerich "turn your brain off while the stupid happens" way. They happened in a way that is defensible from a tactical and emotional position from the characters' point of view. You're ignoring that in favor of being concerned about combat tactics in a way that, were the show to do what you like, almost nobody could enjoy it.

There are ton of in-universe answers to the things that are bothering you, but none of them matter, because we're not watching somebody play a real-time strategy game and critiquing their tactics to prove we're better at the game than the characters and writers and directors like you're doing. We're watching a narrative. And those have their own structure independent of combat tactics.

If we were to take your views to their logical extension, Luke Skywalker is the dumbest motherfucker on the planet because he kept losing control of himself before learning that that's what his problem was. So to your wants, he'd always be perfect. That's not interesting to watch. We saw him win, then get overconfident, then get arrogant to the point that he couldn't believe a little tiny green puppet could be a Jedi master, then falter again because he wanted to save his friends, leading to him getting his hand cut off.

Sure. We could sit around and talk about this, forty years ago, and be like, "these movies suck, because the main character is clearly an idiot," but at some point, you have to realize that stories are about failure before success, and if said stories were about people being perfect all the time, they'd be snoozefests none of us would pay to see.

This was a story about the Mandalorian reacting to his damage. His village was raided and he lost his family. He's filled with regret. He has the chance, here, to be the savior he always wished he had. So he takes chances nobody was there to take for him, imperfectly, because we have no time and and a lot of people to train.

That's a lot more interesting than a story about a perfect being who never makes mistakes or has any motivation beyond being tactically better than everybody else.

If you want to complain about the show breaking its own rules? His armor is supposed to be damned-near indestructable, but a bare-fisted punch can knock him on his rear end. That's loving stupid.

The rest of it is just storytelling.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



The Iliad is ridiculous.

Were I Thetis, I would have simply taken Achilles OTHER leg and given him a second dip, rendering him fully invincible.

It would take like two seconds, Jesus. Why don't the writers think of this stuff?

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


DurosKlav posted:

Hell I even came up with a way they could both destroy the AT-ST in camp and have it show up in the village fight where its ultimately finished off. They sneak into the camp, toss an explosive into the AT-ST and run back towards the village thinking they managed to completely destroy the AT-ST. They thing the battle with the bandits at the village is going to be a lot easier now when DUN DUN DUN a burned up but still very functioning AT-ST comes waltzing out of the woods and now the battle just got hard again. They can have Gina Carano still do all the stuff she ended up doing to finish it off and the 2 of them would have looked a whole of a lot less stupid with their plans to attack the bandit camp.

They didn't know where it was or how well it would be guarded, and the more variables you introduce to a plan, the greater chances get of loving it up.

PunkBoy
Aug 22, 2008

You wanna get through this?
Red Squadron should have covered Gold Squadron instead of just letting them get shot up in the trench but who gives a crap. I love looking at the military aspects in Star Wars as much as the next person, but military tactics < drama.

PunkBoy fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Dec 1, 2019

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

twistedmentat posted:

I'm just saying she's a better actor.

I find it funny how I'm seeing "The first bad episode???" about this one, becauase you know, there's a woman that's shown as strong as the Mandolorian, so therefor it must be the bad one.

Dude, there were anti feminist videos up about it 20 mins after it aired, and the comment sections are a redpill dumpster fire.

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

Captain Splendid posted:

The baby's just got a corresponding fob in his pocket the whole time.

This reminds me. Baby Yoda has only one set of clothes. And its a ratty set of robes.

They aren't tracking him via Force power or midichlorians. Its a scent tracker.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Rocksicles posted:

Dude, there were anti feminist videos up about it 20 mins after it aired, and the comment sections are a redpill dumpster fire.

Are you surprised? I'm not surprised, nor should anyone else who posts ITT really. I think everyone here knows there's a vocal minority of broke brain racist/misogynist dumb dumbs on the internet that just have to let everyone know what they think by making 20+ minute long tirades and posting it to social media/youtube/etc. Bringing up that crap here does nothing but stir the pot for those asshats, and sours discussions about how badass Cara is, or how goddamn cute baby Yoda is.

Oben
Aug 7, 2004

Oh, the lights changed
Did you miss the awful feminists crying that there weren't any women in the show they hadn't watched?

Anyway, if this was a prequel or a sequel then Baby Yoda and the girl would have ended up driving the at-st

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

When are we gonna see The Armorer again. I want to see her own fools with like a giant, two-handed hammer or something.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


teagone posted:

Are you surprised? I'm not surprised, nor should anyone else who posts ITT really. I think everyone here knows there's a vocal minority of broke brain racist/misogynist dumb dumbs on the internet that just have to let everyone know what they think by making 20+ minute long tirades and posting it to social media/youtube/etc. Bringing up that crap here does nothing but stir the pot for those asshats, and sours discussions about how badass Cara is, or how goddamn cute baby Yoda is.

It's funny to laugh at imo

Generic American
Mar 15, 2012

I love my Peng


I think my favorite red pill criticism of this show is people freaking out that they're not showing Mando's face because it's all building up to some big Samus reveal at the end of the season.

Hipster Occultist
Aug 16, 2008

He's an ancient, obscure god. You probably haven't heard of him.


I honestly can't wait for him to take it off, and then everyone just sees an incredibly sweaty, disheveled, and unshaven man who just looks like hell.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Generic American posted:

I think my favorite red pill criticism of this show is people freaking out that they're not showing Mando's face because it's all building up to some big Samus reveal at the end of the season.


Hipster Occultist posted:

I honestly can't wait for him to take it off, and then everyone just sees an incredibly sweaty, disheveled, and unshaven man who just looks like hell.

the mando or the red pill youtuber?

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


Hipster Occultist posted:

I honestly can't wait for him to take it off, and then everyone just sees an incredibly sweaty, disheveled, and unshaven man who just looks like hell.

Whenever we get the full frontal reveal, the memes are going to be hilarious.

w0o0o0o
Aug 26, 2007
bloop.
I thought shock trooper was gonna jump on Mando's ship with him at the end, was surprised when she decided to stay and chill. Wonder if her reintroduction later on will be due to the multitude of bounty hunters after BYoda razing that fishing village for information/clues?

Also the concept of jaded rebel vets having to discretely decapitate fractured post-empire fiefdoms to spare the fledgling republic a whole bunch of quagmire-wars all over the place is a pretty cool idea. Would be cool if she gets a flashback or two about the old job.

And Mando should probably put some padding on the inside of his helmet or something. Poor fucker's probably got a face covered in bruises after every fight.

am0kgonzo
Jun 18, 2010

WSAENOTSOCK posted:

If you don't see the difference between what happened, and what you're saying happened, I really don't know how to continue this conversation.

Like, Rey's a mary sue for knowing the force despite not being trained, but nobody gives a poo poo that a literal baby is a force master in this.

Rey sucks, Baby Yoda owns. hth

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

am0kgonzo posted:

Rey sucks, Baby Yoda owns. hth

Baby Yoda is also, like, three times older than Rey and has probably spent several decades developing his "Steal a cookie from the cookie jar" forcepull abilities

Chadzok
Apr 25, 2002

For some reason I thought the helmet always on schtick would only last a couple eps, but now I realise it's actually way cooler if goes the way of V For Vendetta with the face underneath becoming pointless.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glSkVC4agWA

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

I've recently started playing in my first roleplaying group. We're doing Force and Destiny which is a Star Wars game. And I can't help but see all the movies and this tv show through the lens of a roleplayer, now. The Mandalorian is so aligned to a roleplay session. Each episode is semi-stand alone adventures which follow a simple thread that pulls the protagonist through a thematically rich world. With bit characters and everything! I know basic adventure narrative has necessitated this since Defoe but its just real fun. It cements my subjective and egocentric theory that the best fun one can have with SW now is through a role play group.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

Generic American posted:

I think my favorite red pill criticism of this show is people freaking out that they're not showing Mando's face because it's all building up to some big Samus reveal at the end of the season.

People are getting their jimmys rustled over the head Mando being a woman. Telling our boy when he's ready to be a man and poo poo.

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
https://streamable.com/urfhg


Anyway, Dave Filoni is directing and writing the next ep, so it might be fleshed out a bit more since he had total control and has done dozens of seasons of running the animated shows.

Generic American
Mar 15, 2012

I love my Peng


They're also whining that this episode was anti-men because the only one who knew how to shoot in the village was a woman.

it's like they've never seen a Western before

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


I'm glad that someone finally realized that that the secret to making good Star Wars is not to go all in on mysticism, sci fi politics, or large scale action but: to endlessly rip off samurai movies.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
Mando has thermal loving vision.
He could have seen them all in Predator vision at night.

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


Generic American posted:

They're also whining that this episode was anti-men because the only one who knew how to shoot in the village was a woman.

it's like they've never seen a Western before

Thanks, that's a Western 101.

Lady/Widow/Old Widow who was secretly a good shooter and has the balls to protect her land/family/town.


WSAENOTSOCK posted:

If you want to complain about the show breaking its own rules? His armor is supposed to be damned-near indestructable, but a bare-fisted punch can knock him on his rear end. That's loving stupid.

The rest of it is just storytelling.

If it bothers you then we can all pretend Cara Dune comes from the planet Amazonia that is inhabited only by strong muscular women who can break rocks with their bare hands, so punching Mando's nearly steel is nothing.

There, solved.

Edit: :lol: that someone is definitely gonna write a fanfic about something like that.

Desperado Bones fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Dec 1, 2019

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

Lampsacus posted:

I've recently started playing in my first roleplaying group. We're doing Force and Destiny which is a Star Wars game. And I can't help but see all the movies and this tv show through the lens of a roleplayer, now. The Mandalorian is so aligned to a roleplay session. Each episode is semi-stand alone adventures which follow a simple thread that pulls the protagonist through a thematically rich world. With bit characters and everything! I know basic adventure narrative has necessitated this since Defoe but its just real fun. It cements my subjective and egocentric theory that the best fun one can have with SW now is through a role play group.

That's just how tv used to work...

Basically, that's Star Trek originally

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

Desperado Bones posted:

Thanks, that's a Western 101.

Lady/Widow/Old Widow who was secretly a good shooter and has the balls to protect her land/family/town.


If it bothers you then we can all pretend Cara Dune comes from the planet Amazonia that is inhabited only by strong muscular women who can break rocks with their bare hands, so punching Mando's nearly steel is nothing.

There, solved.

Edit: :lol: that someone is definitely gonna write a fanfic about something like that.

They even used it in the nerd wet dream, Firefly.

Lord Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005

Mmmm,
You smell like Lysol Wipes.

Generic American posted:

They're also whining that this episode was anti-men because the only one who knew how to shoot in the village was a woman.

What's wrong with someone that would cause them to notice this as a thing? I mean, I'm not a good person at all and I watch that scene thinking "Uh oh, only one villager knows how to shoot". What kind of cascade of failure leads anyone to the point where they're all like "Oh-oh-OH, of course it's a goddamn woman!"?

Lord Frankenstyle fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Dec 1, 2019

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jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

Frankenstyle posted:

What's wrong with someone that would cause them to notice this as a thing? I mean, I'm not a good person at all and I watch that scene thinking "Uh oh, only one village knows how to shoot". What kind of cascade of failure leads anyone to the point where they're all like "Oh-oh-OH, of course it's a goddamn woman!"?

Rampantly misogyny

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