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VH4Ever posted:Right. Well, I'm glad the folks telling me it was a systemic, really large and extensive problem were just being reactionary drama queens. Thank you, USPOL, for setting me straight. Nobody said that it wasn't, just that there are more voters that don't give a poo poo than there are voters who are disenfranchised.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Nobody said that it wasn't, just that there are more voters that don't give a poo poo than there are voters who are disenfranchised. For all the folks making that claim I've yet to see a shred of evidence to back it up. But sure, whatever y'all say.
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The US is not the most corrupt country in the world, lol. Like our relative lack of corruption is the only reason we have anything going for us, if you want a counter example Australia has several more socialist policies that are working but they just started their major celebration of bank fraud and their government is basically wholly owned by big oil and coal, in spite of their hippy island culture populace.
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BiggerBoat posted:A little late to automatic car chat but one of my main concerns with it is things like hacking. Cyber security (or the lack of it) is fast moving arms race of sorts and I can easily see a scenario where people figure our how to hack and steal these vehicles. Or just disable their functionality entirely. You don't understand infosec, then. Any exploit which allows large-scale vehicle theft will be fixed, because it's a PR liability. You see the same thing happening with big online systems. Microsoft has put out fixes for Windows XP (a long-discontinued product that's old enough to vote) in the not-too-distant past to address major threats. And that's a much larger threat surface, because anybody on the planet who can get a connection to a vulnerable computer might find it valuable. Even if you have a self-driving car, though, you'd need to be within a couple hundred miles of it and in the same country to steal it. Self-driving cars are dangerous because we're likely to see a repeat of jaywalking laws. "Oh, there was an unfortunate incident with our car and a pedestrian? Well, it's tragic, but they were only wearing bright-colored clothing over 85% of their body, the battery on their Safety Beacon was down to 27%, and this heavily edited video would seem to show that they were within 50 feet of a bush when they stepped into the crosswalk. Clearly we can't be held liable for this tragic accident when they were so irresponsible. Somebody get a hose and wash this guy out of the grille."
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Dec 1, 2019 18:08
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VH4Ever posted:For all the folks making that claim I've yet to see a shred of evidence to back it up. But sure, whatever y'all say. It's self-evident when you look at off-year election turnout.
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Dec 1, 2019 18:09
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RuanGacho posted:The US is not the most corrupt country in the world, lol. Wait until you find out about who owns the American government.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Wait until you find out about who owns the American government.  Is... is it George Soros??
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Dec 1, 2019 18:11
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Dec 1, 2019 18:12
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i am harry posted:People don’t vote in America because they’re loving morons. I could go into depth about how almost every single election is decided by less than a few thousand votes but we know all of this already. The American does not and it is because they are, again, loving morons. This is a little simplistic and too easy to say. Maybe your average voter is "a moron" due to inferior access to quality education, parents too busy working to raise their kids, a really bad free press or, like many perhaps, too lazy in some cases. I think your average white, high school educated, FOX News watching, talk radio listening male is a bit of a moron due to being woefully misinformed, sometimes willfully. There's also the highly educated, largely white and very well paid type who vote solely motivated by money and tax rates and are at least honest about it. Many "morons" also don't vote because a lot of them are overworked, have kids, doctors appointments, night school, hold down 2 jobs, can't afford babysitters...poo poo like that. In largely poor and black districts, voters have to stand in line for 6-8 hours in many cases and god forbid their signature isn't an exact match for the one on file. I live in a pretty well off county and voting for me is relatively easy but I don't pretend that it's that way everywhere else. The only people that bother me are the ones who CAN easily vote but just don't because they have to play PS4 or pretend to be enlightened by saying none of it matters. I've met a lot of those types but I don't think it represents a huge swath of the registered voter percentage. They're typically white, young-ish, smoke a lot of weed, play a lot of video games and pretend to be smarter than anyone else. But there's a reason that making election day a national holiday and expanded poll access is a non starter for the GOP and seen as a threat to their power. It's not all down to "being a moron". There's also a reason that conservatives don't want to fund education, generally speaking, and look to and exploit things like church and the Bible as viable alternatives to real knowledge. I think that if the average American is "a moron" it has more to with pervasive advertising, wealth inequality and overall access than anything surrounding their actual intelligence. The last thing Republicans need is an educated, motivated and passionate voting bloc.
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predicto posted:The Ohio bill s disgusting. I come from a billion pages ago to make the joke that this won't stop the Ohio legislature from putting it back in again until it kills them. Space Gopher posted:You don't understand infosec, then.
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Remember when conservatives poo poo their pants, attacked Roseanne and called her unpatriotic for having the audacity to be an overweight female who can't sing butcher our sacred song? I bet they don't. Speaking of that, remember the flag kneeling NFL anthem bullshit? Here's an idea. Just don't play the national anthem at sporting events. There's no reason for it. And it's not due to 9/11 like some people say. I distinctly recall standing for the anthem at baseball, football and hockey games WELL before September 11th.
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I'm not sure what kind of evidence could exist to answer whether disenfranchisement or apathy is more responsible for low turnout. I went googling for some and instead found this excellent interview about both, by a Harvard history professor. There's a lot of good history and context in here, but he seems to argue that apathy predominates and that apathy is an outcome of strategic choices made by both parties, but especially the Democratic party.
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Slugworth posted:"If" doing a lot of heavy lifting there. "If" she were funny being one.
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When I'm old highways will be rivers of silent death; as there will be no combustion engines waking me up as the local teenager drives to school in his Ford Electron from 2027.
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Regarding the flouro ski wax stories posted earlier; don't rely too heavily on those sources, based on the info I'm seeing so far (and I'm not doing a deep dive here) a lot of the claims are spurious and/or fearmongering, and the evidence would better support different manufacturing/application regs, rather than a ban. Remember that Europe has significant chemophobic and pseudoscientific problems, including at the institutional level.
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Numlock posted:
My cousin has lost both legs to diabetes because treatments and hospital visits are unaffordable to him. He's on a downward spiral and will die soon. He's 37. The billionaires aren't "just as bad" in Canada or the UK. In those countries, billionaires haven't convinced middle class and poor citizens that poor people deserve to die when they get sick.
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VH4Ever posted:It's lazy cowardice too. Sure, why fight to get that good stuff here when you can just run away to where there's already a better deal without needing to put in any work to get it? Leave the rest of us to our fate. It misses the point that the "better deal" in other countries is very much on the chopping block and it's going to take just as strong a fight to keep it intact. NHS is teetering on the brink in the UK as we speak, for just one example, 100% the fault of "starve the beast" conservatism. You write good stuff and I tend to like your posts but this is a round about way of saying that Americans just don't work hard enough and refuse to do so when it's totally proven that the average American works harder and harder for less and less over a fairly large time span. Sure, we have lazy citizens here but I don't think it's anything close to being most of us.
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RuanGacho posted:The US is not the most corrupt country in the world, lol. Who is "us"?
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Hunt11 posted:What is the GOP's obsession with trying to get hostile witnesses? Everything the GOP does is about establishing narratives for fox news.
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1glitch0 posted:Who is "us"? The US. We are certainly not clean of corruption but generally speaking people aren't getting fired for rooting out corruption, corrupt people are getting fired. That is uh... not typical globally speaking, yet.
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RuanGacho posted:The US. I don't believe this tbh
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ewiley posted:This is not correct at all. You can disable/take over a non-self-driving vehicle already. Yes, connected-car security is poo poo right now. But look at what's actually possible there, minus all the Inside Edition branding: they have complete remote control over the infotainment system, windshield wipers, can kill the engine, and can steer the car if a person in it puts it into reverse. And, the whole thing takes a ton of setup effort. FiatChrysler isn't putting everything they've got into an emergency fix because nobody's out in the wild exploiting it. There are going to be significant security bugs with self-driving cars, but there's not going to be an epidemic of car theft where some stock-movie-character hacker sits on a laptop next to a car to steal it. Exploits are an all-or-nothing thing unless you're the NSA and can develop something that you'll use once on a single target. Anything that falls into the "all" side will be nearly impossible to execute before some kind of stopgap fix rolls out. Plus, if we're talking about cars that absolutely need to be connected to a network in order to work by getting mapping updates, they've all got built-in LoJack systems. If some Fate of the Furious hacker summoned every 2040 Camry in the country to their own private lot, they'd be arrested and the original owners would get their cars back. And, fundamentally, who gives a poo poo? It's property. Uber has already gotten away with zero criminal charges for killing a human being with their self driving car, which was not even programmed to look for pedestrians in legal crosswalks. That is going to continue, and it is going to get worse, because profit and the drive for perfectly convenient transportation outweigh everything else. It has to be stopped, and complaining that it's the scariest thing possible for someone to remotely turn off your engine and crank up Justin Bieber is not helping.
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Anybody rooted out of the Trump administration these past 4 years has been voluntary, we know months in advance about their departure. Nobody is being fired for corruption in this land.
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Nonsense posted:Anybody rooted out of the Trump administration these past 4 years has been voluntary, we know months in advance about their departure. Nobody is being fired for corruption in this land. His first HHS guy was
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RuanGacho posted:The US. This is definitely living in a bubble. Whistleblowers get punished all the time. The Newscasters you see on mainstream news media get those positions because they're willing to not rock the boat and parrot the establishment narratives. Most politicians get their funding for re-election by calling special interest groups for donations, with the underlying implication that the politician will do the bidding of the special interests via support/opposition of bills, and will often times retire from politics into a cushy position at one of these lobbying industries-the revolving door between lobbyists and politicians is a real serious threat to stable democracy. And I could go on about hundreds of other examples. We aren't the most corrupt system, but we are definitely backsliding towards more and more corrupt, and have been for decades.
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Nonsense posted:Anybody rooted out of the Trump administration these past 4 years has been voluntary, we know months in advance about their departure. Nobody is being fired for corruption in this land. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Crundwell is in jail. kidkissinger posted:I don't believe this tbh Okay...? Julias posted:This is definitely living in a bubble. Whistleblowers get punished all the time. The Newscasters you see on mainstream news media get those positions because they're willing to not rock the boat and parrot the establishment narratives. Most politicians get their funding for re-election by calling special interest groups for donations, with the underlying implication that the politician will do the bidding of the special interests via support/opposition of bills, and will often times retire from politics into a cushy position at one of these lobbying industries-the revolving door between lobbyists and politicians is a real serious threat to stable democracy. And I could go on about hundreds of other examples. Julias posted:We aren't the most corrupt system, but we are definitely backsliding towards more and more corrupt, and have been for decades. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Space Gopher posted:And, fundamentally, who gives a poo poo? It's property. Uber has already gotten away with zero criminal charges for killing a human being with their self driving car, which was not even programmed to look for pedestrians in legal crosswalks. That is going to continue, and it is going to get worse, because profit and the drive for perfectly convenient transportation outweigh everything else. It has to be stopped, and complaining that it's the scariest thing possible for someone to remotely turn off your engine and crank up Justin Bieber is not helping. Did anything happen to the "safety" driver that was watching youtube the whole time?
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For a more direct example, Andrew Cuomo, the Govenor of New York, set up the Moreland Commission to investigate corruption in the State, and once they started looking into into him, he disbanded the commission.
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Julias posted:For a more direct example, Andrew Cuomo, the Govenor of New York, set up the Moreland Commission to investigate corruption in the State, and once they started looking into into him, he disbanded the commission. Rick Scott, current Senator and former Governor of Florida, is one of the biggest Medicare fraudsters in the country. Very uncorrupt system, the best!
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RuanGacho posted:The US. I thought "us" meant us, like people. If they meant the United States than nothing you said is true. It's ludicrous.
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BiggerBoat posted:"If" she were funny being one. "If" that person knows someone who isn't racist is another.
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That Amazon review of The Report that was whining about Feinstein being portrayed as a hero that I posted a few days back is pretty hilarious considering she comes across as anything but. She's barely better than the Republicans in the movie.
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By most metrics the US is about on par with most of Western Europe in terms of corruption. A little worse than France, a little better than Spain.
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If you're trying to compare how well rule of law functions in the US versus other countries, it's probably not effective to just repeatedly share anecdotes about things from the US.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:By most metrics the US is about on par with most of Western Europe in terms of corruption. The groups that measure that don't generally count lobbying and poo poo like what the Koches do as corruption so the rankings are useless. poo poo the top politician personally enriching himself with millions of taxpayer dollars would make Italy blush.
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Very normal uncorrupt country https://twitter.com/TPM/status/1200869404122263552
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I will say this: the DoJ is large, fragmented enough and has sufficient bureaucratic systems in place to make it pretty hard for a single executive to broadly shape day to day investigative and prosecution powers. We absolutely have systemic corruption but as far as large Western powers go, we're actually not in horrible shape. Lobbying for rule changes is the biggest source of corruption
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WampaLord posted:Rick Scott, current Senator and former Governor of Florida, is one of the biggest Medicare fraudsters in the country. Pled the 5th over 55 times!
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Nonsense posted:Anybody rooted out of the Trump administration these past 4 years has been voluntary, we know months in advance about their departure. Nobody is being fired for corruption in this land. This. The only people that got booted did so because they weren't corrupt enough for President Crimes
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Midgetskydiver posted:My cousin has lost both legs to diabetes because treatments and hospital visits are unaffordable to him. He's on a downward spiral and will die soon. He's 37. They are just as bad, that they haven’t achieved total success yet. Don’t confuse this for virtue.
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