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Got to see the jam man do a speech and questions at the local college this morning. He said some drat good stuff. He was meant to be speaking to a rally in our town centre 15 minutes later but clearly his team have no idea what Sunday town centre traffic can get like, so he had to bin it off and head to the next venue. Our local MP only made it across to the rally in time because she was on a bike. The rally was a bit of a shambles too. Some pillock in a puffer jacket seemed to have taken charge and wanted everyone to walk up the road and pavement like a human wave for the benefit of the cameras, until the event wardens pointed out that might cause trouble with traffic and bystanders. What could have been quite a moving and positive display of collective power ended up like a confused funeral. I love the enthusiasm we have at labour events, but for gods sake talk through plans from start to finish beforehand rather than trying to fling things together on the spot. Crap. 7 is the number of deadly sins. Bigamy, murder, voting tory, wasting good whisky, elbows on the table, leaving the seat up, and the other one. Endjinneer fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Would somebody mind giving an semi-detailed explanation of how the left retook the labour party in Britain; and also what Momentum is and what it does? Understandable if y'all would rather point me to a link. I know google is handy but I find a human touch helps me take in information better.
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OwlFancier posted:I get fairly startled reactions when I do that in shops. poo poo and piss on the floor? I bet.
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Rust Martialis posted:poo poo and piss on the floor? I bet. Pre-empted you smartarse.
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The short version is that centrists pushed Miliband to make it easier to vote in internal Labour elections because they thought it would benefit them. Spoiler: it didn't.
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Xaerael posted:I've been trying to stay away from too much politics, but in the past couple of months my workplace has been fighting to keep some really important social care projects alive. That sucks so bad. We worked with a project that helped adults with difficulties gain the skills and experience to gain and keep meaningful work (their key words, not mine), they used to come in and do some practical work, fencing, path repairs, etc around the woodland. A few of them got with council parks contracts. It worked great. Was EU and locally funded, shut down last year. Half of the project staff moved abroad as far as I can tell, secure work and better pay. It shouldn't be like this.
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Had a great time canvassing in Boris Johnson's constituency this morning. About 40 people showed up which was way more than I expected! Everyone was really friendly and I wasn't the only non-local there - one person was from Bristol and another now lived in the Netherlands but was here for the weekend helping out. I got paired with a local councillor who did a good job listening to people on the doorstep. I think we made a positive impression on the undecided voters we encountered and left leaflets when people weren't home. A 5% swing is enough to turn this constituency red - I think it's possible.
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So not to piss on anyone’s parade but here’s the view from a semi-rural, massively-Tory constituency: The Labour support is about the same as it was in 2017, around 1 in 4. In some areas, though, there are a lot of genuine undecideds who may swing in our favour. Unfortunately there are also a lot of natural Labour voters who have had their brains broken by Brexit and can see a glimmer of racist light at the end of their racist tunnel. Nationally, turnout will be the key: if we get 75% and above, especially from the young, we can win this. But 65% and below and it looks impossible. Keep working is the message, I guess, even if it seems like it’s like banging your head against a brick wall. If nothing else, we’ve made Leadsom actually do some campaigning, including a Q&A in my local hall which attracted 15 people, 6 of whom were there to barrack her.
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OwlFancier posted:I get fairly startled reactions when I do that in shops. Same, but I think it’s actually a good aspect of British culture that we tend to overlook. I remember my mum telling me that when she was born, my nan had a helper come round for a few days to look after the house while she was nursing, and nan used to rush around the house frantically cleaning it so the helper wouldn’t see it looking messy. Like I lived most of my adult life in China and people there just don’t clean up public messes that I have seen. I actually read a document prepared by the Chinese trade ministry explaining the UK to Chinese citizens who might want to do business there and it made a point that people are independent and don’t have maids (in China, many middle-class and even upper working class families have a “little auntie” who comes around and cleans a few times a week).
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unwantedplatypus posted:Would somebody mind giving an semi-detailed explanation of how the left retook the labour party in Britain; and also what Momentum is and what it does? Understandable if y'all would rather point me to a link. Essentially Milliband (I think) introduced one man one vote for leadership elections because the labour right who controlled the party mistakenly believed this would return right wing candidates rather than union backed center left candidates. This may have been true, if not for the fact a tiny handful of old left MPs nominated each other for the leadership election each year, and Corbyn came up for the 2016 election. The other three were a right trio of absolute centrist melts and the contrast between him and them was night and day. He won by an absolute landslide because it turns out the labour membership is full of actual lefties. His leadership caused the party membership to surge to 500 thousand as more people became enthused by the prospect of an actually left wing politician. Momentum came into being as essentially an outside-the-party-but-intersecting-with-it organization, to push a left, pro corbyn effort into all areas of the party apparatus. Over the last three years they've worked to ensure left wing, pro corbyn candidates get into all the important places via the stalinist nazi method of "putting them up for election and telling people it'd be a good idea to vote for them" Really the labour party has just elected itself into becoming more left wing, the 2017 election saw a lot of the right quit and some good lefties get in, and some from the 2015 crop were good too. Turns out when you give a democratic socialist party the power to vote its own leadership in, it picks decent sorts? If you want a US comparison, imagine if the DNC was freely selected by the membership, and also the democrats were an actual party of labour and always had been save for a weird blip in the 90's.
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Xaerael posted:I've been trying to stay away from too much politics, but in the past couple of months my workplace has been fighting to keep some really important social care projects alive. That's horrible. 
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unwantedplatypus posted:Would somebody mind giving an semi-detailed explanation of how the left retook the labour party in Britain; and also what Momentum is and what it does? Understandable if y'all would rather point me to a link. The gist of it is that the Labour Right are complete idiots who are entirely detached from reality. The slightly longer version is that the Labour Right pushed through a reform of the leadership election that moved it into a straight membership vote (also affiliated union members plus supporters who pay a one-time fee get to vote) because they are arrogant Dunning-Krueger poster children to the last single melt. They also were dumb enough to let Corbyn on the ballot in the leadership election in 2015 because of the aforementioned arrogance, fully expecting him to play the part of a sideshow attraction that the real candidates could condescendingly pat on the head and thus put the left back into its little box. But lo and behold, the membership loving hates the Blairites and the Labour Right in general and elected Corbs accompanied by a hilarious wailing and gnashing of teeth about how unfair it all was from the exact same people who pushed through all the voting reforms that they expected to cement their hold on the leadership forever.
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Beefeater1980 posted:And I thought: that’s it, that’s the answer to the question that always bugged me about how socialism could work: who does the poo poo jobs, in a world where our society relies on poo poo jobs being done reliably? We all just reflexively chip in and do them when it’s needed so that nobody has to do them to an intolerable amount, and we take pleasure in living in a nice environment, that exists because maintenance is something everyone just agrees needs to be done, and reflexively does whenever they think can help whenever they see the opportunity. Because if even 1-2% of people bother to do that part time, nobody ever has to do it full time. I haven't specifically done that, but my philosophy in life is that if something needs doing and it's not particularly difficult for me to do for the benefit of others, I try to do it. It can be small things like moving a discarded empty shopping basket to where it's supposed to be even though I didn't put it there, picking up a sign that's been blown over and is in people's way etc. It can be helping someone who is lost. If it's easier for me than for someone else, I try to do it. In the case of something blocking a pavement and everyone stepping over it, how can I leave it there knowing that it'll stay there until a disabled person can't get past it, for example? Conversely, I try not to feel guilty when something is actually beyond me, or ashamed of benefiting from someone's help. I think cleaning up poo poo in a claustrophobic, stressful environment like that would be beyond me, so I would have been grateful to you for mucking in  And you make a good point. If we can generally try not to be selfish cunts, then we can make a better society work. Only selfish cunts use others' selfishness to excuse their own 
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OwlFancier posted:Essentially Milliband (I think) introduced one man one vote for leadership elections because the labour right who controlled the party mistakenly believed this would return right wing candidates rather than union backed center left candidates. Iirc Momentum was originally set up to keep some sort of pressure on Labour to be leftist once Jeremy inevitably lost the leadership election to a Blairite. It's members weren't even required to be Labour members at first because half of us were expected to be TUSC or Greens or w/e.
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It absolutely came into being during the leadership contest yeah, though Corbyn I think was clearly dominating the others for most of that.] God I kinda miss those day, just the sheer "whaaaaa?? moderate leftist policy??? this is insane!!" from the press. And the articles about how corbyn was clearly mad and we desperately needed liz kendall; computer user to save us.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Same, but I think it’s actually a good aspect of British culture that we tend to overlook. I remember my mum telling me that when she was born, my nan had a helper come round for a few days to look after the house while she was nursing, and nan used to rush around the house frantically cleaning it so the helper wouldn’t see it looking messy. An English friend and I used to get odd looks in Cairo (we lived in a relatively middle class estate) because we would take our own rubbish out to the place where the lorry picked it up. And during the revolution we cleaned the common parts of our respective buildings getting some extremely baffled looks from the locals, because all the lads employed to do that had gone back to their villages to protect their families, but at least the 5-storey staircases were swept! One time a kid dropped a chocolate icecream on the stairs a couple of flights up literally minutes after the guy whose job it was to do the communal stairs had finished his weekly clean. It stayed there for a week. Really vexed me but I decided not to clean it up. I did have a heated discussion with a friend on the topic of cleaning up messes (both literal and metaphorical). She felt that cleaning up a mess meant you were taking the blame for it even if you hadn't made it whereas I felt that cleaning it up (whether yourself or paying someone to do it) wasn't taking the blame but was taking responsibility for sorting it. Winter care chat: I cannot praise Vitamin D supplements too highly. I usually take them while in the UK between the solstices. I lost them while packing and moving so hadn't taken them for about a month, and have got more and more under the weather - lethargic, tired, unable to do poo poo. I found them again on Thursday. I took two on Thursday and one a day Friday, Saturday, and yesterday afternoon suddenly felt like I'd snapped out of it. This also happened a few years ago when I had to return to the UK for 3 months unexpectedly and it didn't stop p'ing down with heavy rain 24/7 for over a week and the place I was staying was dark and gloomy and surrounded by trees blocking out the light. Vitamin D supplements made a noticeable difference within a few days. The ones I take are Vitabiotics Ultra Vitamin D D3 2000IU (50 microgram).
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Xaerael posted:I'd like to make the announcement that Lib Dem supported Tory cuts and austerity have finally caused the imminent shut down two major mental health social care projects at my workplace. One that helped non-elderly people with complex mental health problems who literally need someone to help them organise their lives with things like help getting to, and keeping appointments, keeping track of medications, paying bills, food shopping. The other helped Elderly disabled people around the house with cleaning, bills, phone calls, and such. Ugh, it makes me so sad to hear that. No wonder you're pissed off It's a loving travesty that crucial work like that is being shafted in such a wealthy country. I work for NHS inpatient mental health services, and we're staggering under the strain more and more by the month. Loss of social care just leads to more inappropriate admissions and delayed discharges. I don't know how much more Tory misrule the mental health system can cope with before it cracks in half.
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OwlFancier posted:Pre-empted you smartarse. A smart arse doesn't poo poo where it eats, it shits where someone else has to clean  
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OwlFancier posted:It absolutely came into being during the leadership contest yeah, though Corbyn I think was clearly dominating the others for most of that.] Anyone got a link to that video of an interview with all 4 candidates where they hedged and hedged except Corbyn who gave a straight answer? I think it was a question about who would be in the shadow cabinet. I've found a few leadership husting vids but they're all really long. The one I'm thinking of is quite short and essentially sums it up. Ed: V V Also worth noting that Corbyn won in every single section of the party (except maybe PLP?). Whenever you read he only won because of the '£3 entryists' - it's not true. He would have won without them. The membership were gasping for an actual socialist leader. I was a £3 "registered supporter" and I waited about 6 months to see what they did with Corbyn - in case he decided to take a walk in the woods and stab himself in the back sort of thing - before forking out to join properly. In 2016 the cost to be a 'registered supporter' went up to £25 in an attempt to only have wealthy people - often assumed to be rightwing - join to vote. Corbyn still won. A wealthy relative of mine joined twice in his name and his wife's and voted Corbyn do not ask me why as he can't stand the left. I think he thought it was some kind of joke that would put labour out of business. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The short version is that centrists pushed Miliband to make it easier to vote in internal Labour elections because they thought it would benefit them. Spoiler: it didn't. For me it was the photo doing the rounds on facebook of him taking the bus home like a normal human being, which landed IIRC in the middle of the expenses scandal, where IDS was claiming £80 for one breakfast and Theresa May was trying to claim over £100k including her husband's porn bill. Sometimes I think we need to get that photo doing the rounds again. Just a guy on the bus, coming home after trying to make the world a better place. It's hard to imagine him as a machivellian genius in that light.
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Xaerael posted:I've been trying to stay away from too much politics, but in the past couple of months my workplace has been fighting to keep some really important social care projects alive. This is so bad Is there any kind of public statement on this anywhere that could be shared. (Am guessing you wouldn't want your words copied and pasted elsewhere).
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Keeping warm chat, I got one of these Dreamland ceramic heat pod things a few years ago and it's been amazing. Plug it in for 5 minutes until the light goes off, unplug it and it stays warm for a good 4+ hours. I have no idea why they don't sell them anymore, but if you see one somewhere like ebay, grab it. Got ours from QVC, weirdly. Everyone should have one, and the fact they don't seem to sell them anymore makes me genuinely sad, because they'd be great christmas presents. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ceramic-Cordless-Heat-Charges-Minutes/dp/B017EOW0G6
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Nettle Soup posted:Keeping warm chat, I got one of these Dreamland ceramic heat pod things a few years ago and it's been amazing. Plug it in for 5 minutes until the light goes off, unplug it and it stays warm for a good 4+ hours. I have no idea why they don't sell them anymore, but if you see one somewhere like ebay, grab it. Got ours from QVC, weirdly. Everyone should have one, and the fact they don't seem to sell them anymore makes me genuinely sad, because they'd be great christmas presents. Seems like this place does them: https://www.coopersofstortford.co.uk/rechargeable-heat-pod/
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unwantedplatypus posted:Would somebody mind giving an semi-detailed explanation of how the left retook the labour party in Britain; and also what Momentum is and what it does? Understandable if y'all would rather point me to a link. Under relucant-centrist Ed Miliband's stint as leader, the rules for electing leaders were reformed after an internal inquiry. It used to be that votes came from three unequal sources - Labour MPs, affiliated trade unions and the membership - which in a rather electoral-college-like system had their votes weighted so each group's total vote counted for the same in the overall process. In the Blair/Brown centrist era there was a lot of bleating that this gave the 'hard left' unions an excessive amount of power, especially since in the modern 21st-century post-ideology world when capitalism was the Only Way, unions had much less presence in British politics and society than they did in past. So the centrists huffed all their own farts and decided to make it a simple poll of the entire Labour membership, so all the Rational Sensible Grown-ups could elect a Rational, Sensible Leader who would make the Tough Choices (i.e crib all the policies from David Cameron's Conservative Party but do so with a slightly sad face). When the candidates for the 2015 leadership contest were announced, there was an obscure backbench MP called Jeremy Corbyn on the list. Corbyn and a small band of his fellow social-democratic (or 'hard left', by 2015 UK politics standards) colleagues had maintained a tradition where they would take it in turns to stand in leadership elections just to keep a true left-wing option on the ballot, with some more centrist Labour MPs providing the neccessary nominations and votes in the initial stages out of a matter of principle rather than any belief that a) a socialist leader would actually win and b) socialism was actually desirable. In each case the token lefty gets trounced in the early stages. This time around it's Corbyn's turn to be the token left-wing candidate and he gets the required nominations from people who don't think he actually has a hope in hell. Except that now we're under the new rules where the membership actually have a say...and it turns out that a lot of the Labour membership are long, long way to the left of the centrist Blairism that was how Labour was run between 1994 and 2015 and are really stoked that there is a left-wing candidate that they can actually vote for without having their opinion squashed out by the MPs and a good part of the union block. Worse yet...Corbyn actually takes his role semi-seriously and starts campaigning and coming up with left-wing policies. Turns out he's really good at campaigning because he's saying things he actually believes in and that have firm political and social principles behind them! Who knew!? And that a lot of people out in the country actually quite like the sound of some moderately left-wing policies after 40 years of neoliberalism when they're actually on offer for the first time in their lives. Things get even worse when people who aren't Labour members (or who used to be but left during the centrist years) notice that there's no a good chance of electing an actual left-winger to the leadership and start joining the party by the thousands. One of the other new things in place this time round is that you can pay a token £3 charge for a sort of quasi-membership which lets you vote in leadership elections but not anything else. Loads of people do that too. End result: Corbyn absolutely stomps the bland status-quo centrists who were running against him, sweeps into the leadership position and effectively overnight Labour becomes the largest political party in Europe with a membership of 500,000+. As for Momentum - the UK press will say that it's an elite shadow army of Neo-Stalinist thugs who have an iron grip on the entire British labour movement and carry out deep-level psyops, brutal intimidation programmes and ruthless purges of anyone to the right of Ho Chi Minh at the bidding of their cult leader, Jeremy Corbyn. In reality it's just a political campaigning organisation that organises and promotes socialist politics within the Labour Party. All Momentum members have to also be Labour members, and Momentum can't (as in, it's forbidden by the Labour Party rules) from running candidates and officers under its own name. However it can say "of the candidates for this position we think you should vote for this one as they have the best opinions"...which is enough to get some melts crowing about entryism. It's also frequently cited as Corbyn's personality cult, when really it's just that Momentum was founded to lock-in and build on the fact that Labour had an actual left-wing leader for the first time since the early 1980s (hence its name).
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Question for anyone with the expertise to answer: Could a Labour government simply immediately repeal the Health and Social Care Act 2012? Would doing so improve the situation somewhat by itself? I'm thinking along these lines because it seems like it would be much faster than introducing new legislation and we need changes ASAP. Obviously there would be more to do, but could this be an act of triage?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Anyone got a link to that video of an interview with all 4 candidates where they hedged and hedged except Corbyn who gave a straight answer? I think it was a question about who would be in the shadow cabinet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRJlagId870 There you go, it was about Ed Miliband. Just while we're speaking of the legend of Corbyns rise to the leadership it's always worth reminding everyone that the whole thing was possible because a Labour MP got drunk and started throwing windmill punches at Tory MPs in one of the parliament bars. Braggart posted:Question for anyone with the expertise to answer: Could a Labour government simply immediately repeal the Health and Social Care Act 2012? Would doing so improve the situation somewhat by itself? I'm thinking along these lines because it seems like it would be much faster than introducing new legislation and we need changes ASAP. Obviously there would be more to do, but could this be an act of triage? No it can't just be repealed because it was legislating the structure of the NHS, it can only be replaced by something (and repealing it in such a way that forces it to revert to the previous structure would be messier than just legislating a new form for it, as well as missing a real opportunity to properly update the NHS structures). namesake fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Yeah that one stood out for me, it's crazy that Corbyn was the only one who talked about whether Miliband would do a good job in the cabinet.
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namesake posted:No it can't just be repealed because it was legislating the structure of the NHS, it can only be replaced by something (and repealing it in such a way that forces it to revert to the previous structure would be messier than just legislating a new form for it, as well as missing a real opportunity to properly update the NHS structures). Thank you. In light of your answer, I expect Labour already have Big Plans ready to go ASAP
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Braggart posted:Question for anyone with the expertise to answer: Could a Labour government simply immediately repeal the Health and Social Care Act 2012? Would doing so improve the situation somewhat by itself? I'm thinking along these lines because it seems like it would be much faster than introducing new legislation and we need changes ASAP. Obviously there would be more to do, but could this be an act of triage? It's a bit murky under the ftpa parliament cannot be bound by previous parliaments, but I doubt Labour can unilaterally do it. It would also certainly need the legal beagles to peruse it.
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unwantedplatypus posted:Would somebody mind giving an semi-detailed explanation of how the left retook the labour party in Britain; and also what Momentum is and what it does? Understandable if y'all would rather point me to a link. In addition to all the excellent summaries written by people in the thread, it's worth checking out Alex Nunn's The Candidate: Jeremy Corbyn’s Improbable Path to Power, which is a pretty good (and entertaining read), and Liam Young's Rise: How Jeremy Corbyn Inspired the Young to Create a New Socialism, which is another take on the same thing. In addition, Reel Politik had an episode (with Nunns) covering his book and the events around Corbyn's nomination, and the snap election, and a super long episode with Liam Young.
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feedmegin posted:It's members weren't even required to be Labour members at first because half of us were expected to be TUSC or Greens or w/e. To be fair an awful lot of us actually were in the Greens before they nominated Corbyn.
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Trickjaw posted:It's a bit murky under the ftpa parliament cannot be bound by previous parliaments, but I doubt Labour can unilaterally do it. It would also certainly need the legal beagles to peruse it. I meant to do it by majority vote in the Commons
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Pesky Splinter posted:https://twitter.com/tristandross/status/1200103328065175554 Endjinneer posted:Crap. 7 is the number of deadly sins. Bigamy, murder, voting tory, wasting good whisky, elbows on the table, leaving the seat up, and the other one. OwlFancier posted:I get fairly startled reactions when I do that in shops. OwlFancier posted:If you want a US comparison, imagine if the DNC was freely selected by the membership, and also the democrats were an actual party of labour and always had been save for a weird blip in the 90's.
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Trickjaw posted:It's a bit murky under the ftpa parliament cannot be bound by previous parliaments, but I doubt Labour can unilaterally do it. It would also certainly need the legal beagles to peruse it. That's not an FTPA thing, that's Parliamentary sovereignty which is about the only way you can run a country with an unwritten constitution.
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Lady Demelza posted:I used to buy cheap leggings and t-shirts from Primark and wear them along with fingerless gloves under my indoor clothes. Being colder inside than out is miserable. Poundland sells rolls of bubblewrap that you can put over windows but will obviously still let light in. You will have to keep an eye on condensation and mould. Handwarmers are brilliant, the Hot Hands ones are pretty cheap and make a good alternative to hot water bottles as they don't go cold overnight. Shame they're single-use only. You know, as many times as I've condescendingly laughed at the ridiculously abysmal state of construction in the UK, it only now occurred to me that actually - obviously - it's also a part of the traditional Great British plan to keep poor people down. Holy goldarn, it all makes so much more sense now I guess what threw me is that most of the middle-class and upper-middle-class shithovels in this country are also shithovels, not just the poor people dwellings. But of course the poor suffer even more, and after all, that is the most important thing if you're a conservative
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Bobby Deluxe posted:As CB and Owlfancier said, the knock-on effect of this was a huge influx of new members who joined specifically because of Corbyn and his policies rather than sensible centrism. 
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