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unwantedplatypus posted:After following him for, I suppose years now, it honestly seems like Sanders' goal is to, at the very least, establish a permanent socialist faction in the democratic party. Which admittedly is somewhat hard because the Democratic party is 1) fairly decentralized and 2) not very democratic. Honestly I don't know what the US is gonna do tbh. Yez have wayy too much money in politics. The UK has strict financing regulations that mean our elections go on a fraction of the spending the US does, and of course it's a big industry over there for you guys too. And yeah both your big parties are fundamentally in with the big money. You might have an easier time organizing outside the democrats tbh, via the DSA or such. Basically you can use the democrats but you organize under a different, more democratic organization to prevent being compromised via the democrats' power structure and ties to big money.
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This might be of interest to people: https://twitter.com/DrFrancesRyan/status/1201210917171712000
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Paperhouse posted:Who coaches MPs to be like this? Or do 95% of them just naturally become insanely evasive every time a question is asked You have to carefully consider your every answer before you make it, lest you upset somebody. And given that you are speaking to the public at large, you will upset somebody. Take this attitude too far, and it can be paralysing, as the video shows. Just speaking your mind according to your principles can be a lot less taxing in terms of emotional labour. But if your instinct is to triangulate at all times, you need to know what the most popular answer is going to be before you can say it 
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an angry penguin posted:This might be of interest to people: I’d be declared fit for work
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Failed Imagineer posted:I think it's one of the many accepted spellings - like Q/Kh/Gaddafi Yeah, Arabic doesn't romanise perfectly. As Gaius Aelius Gallus found out.
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Interesting that both Sturgeon and Swinson used their opening statements to talk about Trump and the NHS. They've definitely started echoing Labour's attack lines the closer we get to the election.
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, Arabic doesn't romanise perfectly. As Gaius Aelius Gallus found out. 
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Jesus christ "The liberal system - letting people with the Jihadi virus out onto YOUR STREETS  "gently caress off Farage E: Green lady saying what the Labour guy should have. RockyB fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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unwantedplatypus posted:I figure its probably worthwhile to see if there's anything here I can take home, so to speak. While Corbyn got in through a miraculous melt self-own, the left has then been enabled to get real power in the party by consistent slate voting. That's probably Momentum's biggest contribution, making sure we've all voted together for people we've never heard of before to get control of important offices, despite the Labour right doing their best not to sound rightwing in their candidate literature.
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RockyB posted:Jesus christ On the plus side he's bodying the Tory about how a longer sentence wouldn't have prevented this guy reoffending. With him going for them as well as everyone else they aren't doing well on this question.
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Oh dear me posted:While Corbyn got in through a miraculous melt self-own, the left has then been enabled to get real power in the party by consistent slate voting. That's probably Momentum's biggest contribution, making sure we've all voted together for people we've never heard of before to get control of important offices, despite the Labour right doing their best not to sound rightwing in their candidate literature. they are very, very bad at it too. the first year I got my NEC shortlist booklet, i decided i was going to be a good bahai, read it from cover to cover and decide on merit before looking at the Momentum slate. despite the fact the document didn't allow for explicit endorsements, when I had finished I had both picked every Momentum candidate +1 as "would vote for" and had, with perfect accuracy, crossed out every Progress candidate. several of them were gimmies like luke ahurst but several more included such fun shibboleths as "I reject being a candidate for the many and not the Jew" and similar obvious digs. gee, i wonder who that's about.
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It's so funny hearing Farage saying that we should respect the public vote. He's lost what 7 parliamentary elections?
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Do we know why Corbyn didn't come to the debate? I know it's not a leaders' debate but given the furore about Coward Johnson, it would have looked better if he had. And this Labour chap isn't as good as RLB.
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Lady Demelza posted:Do we know why Corbyn didn't come to the debate? I know it's not a leaders' debate but given the furore about Coward Johnson, it would have looked better if he had. And this Labour chap isn't as good as RLB. I think Burgon is doing pretty well.
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One thing I've noticed that doesn't seem to have gained much traction is the use of the phrase 'hard working' to denote those who will not gain anything from a Labour government. I have pointed out now in comments here and there that carers, hospitality, retail, warehouse and other staff on or near national minimum wage are all hardworkers.
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I'm not a hard worker, but only because I know my boss isn't watching
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jabby posted:I think Burgon is doing pretty well. He's not bad, but I felt she was better. They're all a bit of a charisma-vacuum.
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superLINUS posted:So not to piss on anyone’s parade but here’s the view from a semi-rural, massively-Tory constituency: I don't think it's any surprise that there are gonna be a lot of (mostly rural) constituencies which are never gonna be anything but blue. I actually know your area well (used to live in Buckingham and MK) and it doesn't surprise me at all that where you are is absolute Tory-town. In most of the villages out there I'd be surprised to find a 2-bed for less than £250k. Still, maybe at some point in the future when all the boomers die off these places will start turning red.
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In euro news, newly elected radical leftwing SPD leaders threaten to save europe lolquote:Among their main demands are an increase in the minimum wage from €9 an hour to €12 and a backtrack on the government’s central fiscal policy of balancing the federal budget, known as the “schwarze Null” or the “black zero”, to allow for more spending on infrastructure and welfare programmes. They are also calling for a more radical approach on the climate emergency. call in the tanks etc
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Lady Demelza posted:He's not bad, but I felt she was better. it's not a criticism of someone that they're not RLB
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:In euro news, newly elected radical leftwing SPD leaders threaten to save europe lol they've got a lot to make up for
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Oh dear me posted:While Corbyn got in through a miraculous melt self-own, the left has then been enabled to get real power in the party by consistent slate voting. That's probably Momentum's biggest contribution, making sure we've all voted together for people we've never heard of before to get control of important offices, despite the Labour right doing their best not to sound rightwing in their candidate literature. Having an organization like momentum in the US would probably be a boon. The problem is the left in the US has a zeitgeist, but not a structure. The DSA is pretty local based and depending on the area can be electoral focused, full of libs, or direct action focused. Our Revolution is probably the closest thing to an American Momentum, but it is tied to Bernie Sanders specifically. It supports lefty candidates in primary/regular elections around the country. However it doesn't really seem to hold an explicitly socialist/social democratic ideology. At the same time however, Sanders' campaign and Our Revolution use what I'll call leftist dogwhistles. For example, one of Our Revolution's stated goals is to increase political consciousness. When you consider that Sanders used to be an explicit Socialist, and keeps moving left the more the centrist candidates adopt his policies, and brings onstage people who call for a revolution of working class people (AOC); it makes me consider that "political consciousness" is a byword for "class consciousness". Let's consider how Sanders describes himself as a democratic socialist. Now he's not a stupid man; he knows the policies he's proposing are for the most part not explicitly socialist. But putting democratic infront; as well as his whole grandpa demeanor, perhaps disarms the word Socialist a bit. And when Bernie or AOC or Omar talk about increasing working class power, they use the language of democracy. That is, instead of saying "We need to give more power to the workers" they say "We need more democracy in the workplace" the fact that the latter will lead to the former is an obvious conclusion, but left unstated. Perhaps I'm reading too much into this and they're all succdems who deserve the wall; but just a thought.
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Lady Demelza posted:Do we know why Corbyn didn't come to the debate? I know it's not a leaders' debate but given the furore about Coward Johnson, it would have looked better if he had. And this Labour chap isn't as good as RLB. Stuck in traffic in York by all accounts! https://www.yorkmix.com/corbyns-a-no-show-at-york-rally-but-filming-for-election-broadcast-goes-ahead-without-him/ https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/18072616.traffic-jams-prevent-corbyn-getting-city-centre-rally/ This was supposed to be his speech - not sure if it got delivered somehow - it does say 'check against delivery' at the top! https://labour.org.uk/press/full-text-of-jeremy-corbyns-speech-in-york/
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Lady Demelza posted:They're all a bit of a charisma-vacuum. Frankly once again it's Sturgeon and the Green lady (Sian this time, not Caroline) who are coming out the winners. Not a big fan of Burgeon, his way of speaking is a bit off-putting even if he is getting in a few zingers. Like a male version of Jo; And of course there's the whole anti-zionism thing which will be sending parts of the electorate into a frothing frenzy. E: Lol what values do you stand for Rishi
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Rishi Sunak is so out of his depth I can only assume the Tories sent him out there as punishment
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Chuff McNothing posted:Rishi Sunak is so out of his depth I can only assume the Tories sent him out there as punishment I thought they accidentally sent a sixth form prefect
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Pilchenstein posted:Whenever you see some dipshit online using an alternative spelling like that Dialectical and transliteration differences are a morass in Arabic, and not really conducive to rules of thumb such as what I quote above. poo poo like 'Mohammadean' is another level of fuckery entirely, and deliberately perjorative.
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Cefte posted:Hizballah is a standard transliteration for UK / US governments, probably continuing a chain from Hans Wehr, e.g. here. It's also the preference of a lot of angry online Salafis, and I remember (but can't find, for some reason) reading a long diatribe on 'objectively correct' transliteration, e.g. doubling of Arabic long vowels and complete rigidity in vowel choice by one of the same. Hi Cefte!
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Cefte posted:poo poo like 'Mohammadean' is another level of fuckery entirely, and deliberately perjorative.
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Chuff McNothing posted:Rishi Sunak is so out of his depth I can only assume the Tories sent him out there as punishment I thoroughly enjoyed when RLB was ripping him a new one and he had absolutely no idea what to do so he just stood there and took it
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:This is so bad There will be. I'll post it when it's published.
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah but the pejorative implication there is that Muslims worship Mohammed and not the God of Abraham, so it wouldn't be any better if they spelled it with a u or an e or five ms. Alan BStard posted:Hi Cefte! edit: edited for excitability. Cefte fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Julio Cruz posted:is there a good explanation of the law change that Boris is blaming for Khan being let out early? the Beeb (yeah I know) are spinning it as "everyone got automatically let out halfway through their sentences" and that seems a bit, er, unlikely? For a long time now almost all sentences mean that the person is released 1/2 - 2/3 of the way through their sentence and serves the rest of the time on licence. There is good reason for this - having time for the person to resettle into the community with monitoring and support rather than just chucked out of prison with nothing. With the probation changes, if assessed as low or medium risk they'd be managed by the private rehabilitation companies, high risk by the national probation service. A few things to note. If there is any clear evidence of risk increasing or you breach your licence conditions or commit another crime, you can be recalled to custody and serve the rest of the sentence in prison even if you don't do anything that would warrant a new conviction. Risk can change for a lot of reasons which is why splitting probation services was such a stupid thing to do. Plus even if someone was always managed by the NPS, having literally split probation teams in half, often against their will, and leaving some with a really high risk caseload rather than a balance makes it more difficult to manage anyone. Also it is really hard to predict individual risk. And even if you are really worried about someone, there's not always a lot you can do about it. I imagine there will be a serious further offence case review so it'll be interesting to see what the particular issue was here. Probably a combination of lack of resources to rehabilitate in custody and offer support/monitoring in the community.
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Those gogglebox clips are going down well and doing numbers. We regret to inform you that next weeks gogglebox is cancelled
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Something something “gradually moving the Overton window for medium/high risk prisoners upwards as the amount of funding (and hence prisoners that can be probated by them) the national probation service gets decreases”
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I thought Shami did great on Marr, taking a really serious position on the current justice system without being on drawn on this specific case, because it's too early to know anything. She's really good at addressing gotcha questions completely sincerely I wish they'd turn Johnson's mic down while he's ranting over Marr though. It wouldn't prevent him dragging the interview to a halt but at least people would be able to hear the questions he's not answering instead
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