Warhammer 40,000: 8th Time's the Charm

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Mango Polo: Aug 4, 2007

oh wait, oh gently caress, no

# ? Dec 2, 2019 20:50

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 10:43

Seldom Posts: Jul 4, 2010; Grimey Drawer

THE MAJORITY OF MANGO POLO'S POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE REPOSTING THE 'GAMES WERKSHOP' ACCOUNT AND ACTING LIKE HE DOESN'T KNOW IT'S FAKE.

HOPE THIS HELPS ANYONE WHO IS STILL FALLING FOR THIS.

FOR FUCKS SAKE

Mango Polo posted:

Fuuuuuuuuuck

Well OK that makes more sense. Thanks for the heads up friend

e. I see, werkshop not workshop

e2. I hope the person behind that chokes on a chicken bone

unless of course everyone else also knows that he knows that it's fake, in which case posting has become way too meta for me.

# ? Dec 2, 2019 20:53

Cricken_Nigfops: Oct 25, 2011; CROM!

Mango Polo posted:

it says games workshop?

# ? Dec 2, 2019 20:55

TTerrible: Jul 15, 2005

Seldom Posts posted:

THE MAJORITY OF MANGO POLO'S POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE REPOSTING THE 'GAMES WERKSHOP' ACCOUNT AND ACTING LIKE HE DOESN'T KNOW IT'S FAKE.

HOPE THIS HELPS ANYONE WHO IS STILL FALLING FOR THIS.

FOR FUCKS SAKE

unless of course everyone else also knows that he knows that it's fake, in which case posting has become way too meta for me.

What the hell are you talking about

# ? Dec 2, 2019 20:57

Mango Polo: Aug 4, 2007

Seldom Posts posted:

THE MAJORITY OF MANGO POLO'S POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE REPOSTING THE 'GAMES WERKSHOP' ACCOUNT AND ACTING LIKE HE DOESN'T KNOW IT'S FAKE.

HOPE THIS HELPS ANYONE WHO IS STILL FALLING FOR THIS.

FOR FUCKS SAKE

unless of course everyone else also knows that he knows that it's fake, in which case posting has become way too meta for me.

Excuse me for forgetting there's a lovely rear end troll out there, I don't post here very often

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:00

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

The Gate posted:

If you can pick off a GK or even two, then you can just feed one or two guys to them for the last couple turns. If you charge in, they can't charge out to get to anyone important, and if they happen to not kill someone in CC, you can fall back and leave them stranded in the open.

AM do have to play somewhat defensively because guardsmen are weak and have terrible basic guns, but you can get a lot of them on the board, and if you're bringing several plasma and flamer and melta weapons of your own it's not so bad. GK are generally pretty weak on objectives due to the lack of numbers, though the second psyker power does help them a lot now.

Yeah I think the problem was that really I was playing a shite Kill Team list. I know it wasn't competitive but I guess I didn't appreciate how uncompetitive guardsmen with lasguns really are. Like in 40K they are obviously poo poo but you take 40 of them and suddenly they become good. With this the negatives to hit are so harsh, and then your gun is so weak, they are basically only good for standing on objectives. Loading up on plasma guns seems to be the only way to ensure that you can trade with something else.

I get that the Guard will always be defensive, or at least lean towards it, due to the fact it's a shooting army/team, but like even the Deathwatch kill team my friend took seems to benefit from hiding out of sight until either a) you jump out and kill everything with alpha strikes, b) your opponent runs towards you, or c) you run to objectives.

Weirdly my complaint that it's too hard to do anything seems to be my friend's complaint about 40K. He kept hitting my valkyrie and I made the saves, and I did get lucky/use stratgems with the Scions to pass a lot of 4+/3+ saves, but he was saying he didn't like the fact you shoot a bunch and nothing dies. I guess it's because his KT is like three pathfinders with rail rifles and a stealth suit, so mostly what they shoot at dies when it gets hit.

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:02

DrPop: Aug 22, 2004

Seldom Posts posted:

THE MAJORITY OF MANGO POLO'S POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE REPOSTING THE 'GAMES WERKSHOP' ACCOUNT AND ACTING LIKE HE DOESN'T KNOW IT'S FAKE.

HOPE THIS HELPS ANYONE WHO IS STILL FALLING FOR THIS.

FOR FUCKS SAKE

unless of course everyone else also knows that he knows that it's fake, in which case posting has become way too meta for me.

We've got to shut down the thread until we figure out just what the hell is going on

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:03

Ghazk: May 11, 2007; I can see EVERYTHING

Seldom Posts posted:

THE MAJORITY OF MANGO POLO'S POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE REPOSTING THE 'GAMES WERKSHOP' ACCOUNT AND ACTING LIKE HE DOESN'T KNOW IT'S FAKE.

HOPE THIS HELPS ANYONE WHO IS STILL FALLING FOR THIS.

FOR FUCKS SAKE

unless of course everyone else also knows that he knows that it's fake, in which case posting has become way too meta for me.

uhhh I have a lot of twitter posts to edit or delete

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:06

Hustlin Floh: Jul 20, 2009; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Seldom Posts posted:

THE MAJORITY OF MANGO POLO'S POSTS IN THIS THREAD ARE REPOSTING THE 'GAMES WERKSHOP' ACCOUNT AND ACTING LIKE HE DOESN'T KNOW IT'S FAKE.

HOPE THIS HELPS ANYONE WHO IS STILL FALLING FOR THIS.

FOR FUCKS SAKE

unless of course everyone else also knows that he knows that it's fake, in which case posting has become way too meta for me.

Do you have a single fact to back any of this up?

Hustlin Floh fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Dec 2, 2019

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:13

moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

Can we just get back to discussing Warhemmer 4O,OOO?

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:19

Der Waffle Mous: Nov 27, 2009; In the grim future, there is only commerce.

moths posted:

Can we just get back to discussing Warhemmer 4O,OOO?

too busy playing pokemans on my nirtendo svvitch

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:20

Deptfordx: Dec 23, 2013

Hustlin Floh posted:

Do you have a single fact to back any of this up?

Well, the briefest look at his posting history will confirm that this is indeed his weird loving gimmick. :shrug:

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:27

Hustlin Floh: Jul 20, 2009; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Deptfordx posted:

Well, the briefest look at his posting history will confirm that this is indeed his weird loving gimmick.

I meant does he have any proof that Games Werkshop isn't an official account you dullard

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:37

Seldom Posts: Jul 4, 2010; Grimey Drawer

Mango Polo posted:

Excuse me for forgetting there's a lovely rear end troll out there, I don't post here very often

I actually think it's hilarious, I regret pointing it out it now.

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:42

Bob Wins: Oct 25, 2010

Kitchner posted:

Yeah I think the problem was that really I was playing a shite Kill Team list. I know it wasn't competitive but I guess I didn't appreciate how uncompetitive guardsmen with lasguns really are. Like in 40K they are obviously poo poo but you take 40 of them and suddenly they become good. With this the negatives to hit are so harsh, and then your gun is so weak, they are basically only good for standing on objectives. Loading up on plasma guns seems to be the only way to ensure that you can trade with something else.

I get that the Guard will always be defensive, or at least lean towards it, due to the fact it's a shooting army/team, but like even the Deathwatch kill team my friend took seems to benefit from hiding out of sight until either a) you jump out and kill everything with alpha strikes, b) your opponent runs towards you, or c) you run to objectives.

Weirdly my complaint that it's too hard to do anything seems to be my friend's complaint about 40K. He kept hitting my valkyrie and I made the saves, and I did get lucky/use stratgems with the Scions to pass a lot of 4+/3+ saves, but he was saying he didn't like the fact you shoot a bunch and nothing dies. I guess it's because his KT is like three pathfinders with rail rifles and a stealth suit, so mostly what they shoot at dies when it gets hit.

I run all Scions in most of my Kill team games and while certainly "off meta" the Hot Shot las guns have been able to do some work for me (but that 18" range hurts), but I'll agree with you that regular guardsmen are straight up trash.

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:49

Zuul the Cat: Dec 24, 2006; Grimey Drawer

Mango Polo posted:

Excuse me for forgetting there's a lovely rear end troll out there, I don't post here very often

It makes me laugh every time you do it.

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:53

Slab Squatthrust: Jun 3, 2008; This is mutiny!

Kitchner posted:

Yeah I think the problem was that really I was playing a shite Kill Team list. I know it wasn't competitive but I guess I didn't appreciate how uncompetitive guardsmen with lasguns really are. Like in 40K they are obviously poo poo but you take 40 of them and suddenly they become good. With this the negatives to hit are so harsh, and then your gun is so weak, they are basically only good for standing on objectives. Loading up on plasma guns seems to be the only way to ensure that you can trade with something else.

I get that the Guard will always be defensive, or at least lean towards it, due to the fact it's a shooting army/team, but like even the Deathwatch kill team my friend took seems to benefit from hiding out of sight until either a) you jump out and kill everything with alpha strikes, b) your opponent runs towards you, or c) you run to objectives.

Weirdly my complaint that it's too hard to do anything seems to be my friend's complaint about 40K. He kept hitting my valkyrie and I made the saves, and I did get lucky/use stratgems with the Scions to pass a lot of 4+/3+ saves, but he was saying he didn't like the fact you shoot a bunch and nothing dies. I guess it's because his KT is like three pathfinders with rail rifles and a stealth suit, so mostly what they shoot at dies when it gets hit.

Yeah, cover in Kill Team is good, but also very easy to get, as long as even a little of a model has cover you get the -1 to be hit and -1 to any injury rolls you suffer. Those are really important. Conversely, yeah, and multiple damage weapons like Rail Rifles are very very good because you get the extra injury dice to roll which makes getting those high injury roll numbers a lot easier.

Moving up the field while shooting with units like GK or DW is usually necessary because it's really hard to dig models out of cover, they're pretty durable and can usually be in cover while moving up anyway, and you need their small numbers to be in position to get objectives.

It sounds like the Tau and GK players are playing with pretty 'hard' lists, so you probably do need to take something closer to the meta build. The 8 plasma build is probably overkill, but 2-3 plus some flamers, plus a bunch of bodies to throw into any assault specialists and to stand on objectives should help you out a bunch.

Not sure which regiment bonus you're taking too, but the Valhallan one is really good if you're having problems with morale, or the Cadian one if you're going all in on plasma and think you can set up good sight lines generally.

# ? Dec 2, 2019 21:55

Bob Wins: Oct 25, 2010

The Gate posted:

Not sure which regiment bonus you're taking too, but the Valhallan one is really good if you're having problems with morale, or the Cadian one if you're going all in on plasma and think you can set up good sight lines generally.

The Tallarn one is pretty great too as it allows you to maneuver around without penalty.

# ? Dec 2, 2019 22:00

Ilor: Feb 2, 2008; That's a crit.

Perhaps Mango Polo is an alt account for the Games Werkshop twitter user and the "clueless" posts here are a weird, ham-fisted attempt to drive clicks? Yeah, I think we can make that conspiracy theory stick.

# ? Dec 2, 2019 22:16

nite_moogle: Jul 10, 2008

Did the Kill Team annual not go out for pre-review like CA 2019 did? I am reminded by the discussion on this page about how good plasma guns are, and am waiting for the impending price cost hike.

# ? Dec 2, 2019 22:16

Bob Wins: Oct 25, 2010

Word on the street is that the Kill Team annual doesn't have any (or very little) point adjustments and instead is just a consolidation of points from across the different books and some new missions. From what I remember hearing Chaos gets some new heavy weapons, Death Denied for space marines went up to 3 CP and some other factions get some new tactics, but I think that's about it.

# ? Dec 2, 2019 22:22

Contingency: Jun 2, 2007; MURDERER

nite_moogle posted:

Did the Kill Team annual not go out for pre-review like CA 2019 did? I am reminded by the discussion on this page about how good plasma guns are, and am waiting for the impending price cost hike.

I eyeballed the points in the below article, and it didn't look like they were adjusted for SM. Honestly, didn't look like anything SM was adjusted points-wise.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/29/kill-team-annual-our-top-five-featuresgw-homepage-post-3/

# ? Dec 2, 2019 22:28

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER; Clapping Larry

The Gate posted:

Yeah, cover in Kill Team is good, but also very easy to get, as long as even a little of a model has cover you get the -1 to be hit and -1 to any injury rolls you suffer. Those are really important. Conversely, yeah, and multiple damage weapons like Rail Rifles are very very good because you get the extra injury dice to roll which makes getting those high injury roll numbers a lot easier.

Moving up the field while shooting with units like GK or DW is usually necessary because it's really hard to dig models out of cover, they're pretty durable and can usually be in cover while moving up anyway, and you need their small numbers to be in position to get objectives.

It sounds like the Tau and GK players are playing with pretty 'hard' lists, so you probably do need to take something closer to the meta build. The 8 plasma build is probably overkill, but 2-3 plus some flamers, plus a bunch of bodies to throw into any assault specialists and to stand on objectives should help you out a bunch.

Not sure which regiment bonus you're taking too, but the Valhallan one is really good if you're having problems with morale, or the Cadian one if you're going all in on plasma and think you can set up good sight lines generally.

Jesus we weren't even remembering to add -1 to injury rolls for being in cover.

I mean I wrote the GK team so I can't really complain about that, the DW list was I think basically what you want in the meta (it's like a frag cannon, a heavy bolter with a flamer, and then three dudes of some sort). I was playing Valhallan because I bought some old school valhallan models to make a Commissar Cain kill team, but to be honest I'll probably play Cadian just to be WYSIWYG.

I think my attitude has always been if you play with a list that is as good as you can write, it only makes sense for both players to do that, so if the others are going to be using "good" lists, I am just going to do the same. Not out of spite or anything,it's just not really a good game when someone is bringing a "good" list and someone brings a list that isn't as good as they can write it.

# ? Dec 2, 2019 23:44

Mengtzu: Jun 29, 2012

Kill Team is designed around having pretty tuned lists in any case; the roster system means you know who your opponent is and what the mission is before you choose your list. The game expects you to have a TAC roster but not a TAC team on the board.

Playing with the roster and varying the missions (don't just keep playing the corebook ones) are pretty key to enjoying KT and are part of why I agree with your friend that it's more fun than 40K. I've been enjoying getting into 40K and playing with more toys, but I'd still rather play three games instead of one and hopefully have everyone walk away with at least one good showing.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 00:13

NovemberMike: Dec 28, 2008

The Gate posted:

Yeah, cover in Kill Team is good, but also very easy to get, as long as even a little of a model has cover you get the -1 to be hit and -1 to any injury rolls you suffer. Those are really important. Conversely, yeah, and multiple damage weapons like Rail Rifles are very very good because you get the extra injury dice to roll which makes getting those high injury roll numbers a lot easier.

Moving up the field while shooting with units like GK or DW is usually necessary because it's really hard to dig models out of cover, they're pretty durable and can usually be in cover while moving up anyway, and you need their small numbers to be in position to get objectives.

It sounds like the Tau and GK players are playing with pretty 'hard' lists, so you probably do need to take something closer to the meta build. The 8 plasma build is probably overkill, but 2-3 plus some flamers, plus a bunch of bodies to throw into any assault specialists and to stand on objectives should help you out a bunch.

Not sure which regiment bonus you're taking too, but the Valhallan one is really good if you're having problems with morale, or the Cadian one if you're going all in on plasma and think you can set up good sight lines generally.

IG don't need an 8 plasma build, the new Blackstone Fortress models are very good against everything and give you a little more flexibility. Pious Vorne and Gotfret can both fight aggressively against Grey Knights, although you'd need to protect Vorne for a bit until she can shoot.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 00:55

Lovely Joe Stalin: Jun 12, 2007; Our Lovely Wang

https://twitter.com/GamesWerkshop/status/1201573387082125313?s=20

# ? Dec 3, 2019 01:48

tallkidwithglasses: Feb 7, 2006

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

https://twitter.com/GamesWerkshop/status/1201573387082125313?s=20

drat I hate it when my favorite #brands get political.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 01:52

queef anxiety: Mar 4, 2009; yeah

Anyone been playing IW with the new rules? Tempted to camp my DG for now and get on the obliterator train once more.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 02:00

titty_baby_: Nov 11, 2015

Posted on "Making White Dudes Type Paragraphs"

# ? Dec 3, 2019 04:46

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

It's incredible how hard it is to grasp that 40k is a made up thing and it was made up by UK white nerds; now they're broadening the appeal to other player bases that have taken up the hobby because it's cool to do that and it's good for business as well.

E: lol festive and fancy Fulgrim memes have a lot of their bad posts, amazing

JBP fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Dec 3, 2019

# ? Dec 3, 2019 04:49

Hihohe: Oct 4, 2008; Fuck you and the sun you live under

titty_baby_ posted:

Posted on "Making White Dudes Type Paragraphs"

Mother fucker, this is the map for Armegeddon, one of the most well know war zones. Notice the many biomes.

Even Fenris, loving Viking land, is described having multiple biomes, Being cold and then extremely hot depending on the season.

Eat poo poo, guy trying to push his loving Ethnostate beliefs on this game. Keep it to kill all Xenos.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 04:56

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Fenris owns for nice coats and deep tans.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 04:58

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; Can't post for 6 hours!; Ultra Carp

titty_baby_ posted:

Posted on "Making White Dudes Type Paragraphs"

Well I was gonna try and paint my guard to have more diversity anyway but hey here's some extra motivation

# ? Dec 3, 2019 05:01

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

I painted some of my sisters as black women when I was 14 and this old neckbeard in a GW gave me poo poo for it lol

# ? Dec 3, 2019 05:03

Floppychop: Mar 30, 2012

I put helmets on every model I assemble/paint. Mostly to avoid painting faces, but it has the benefit of pissing off skinheads by saying they're whatever skin tone they're on a current rant about.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 05:04