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I don't know what my favorite part of the Dynamite Kid prank war story is. I can't decide between Vince of all people having to tell them to cut it out because the pranks were just violent assaults or Dynamite lying about being paid for fixing his teeth and getting paid by Jacques Rougeau to fix his teeth even though WWF had already given Dynamite money to get them fixed. Also I'm thinking we're all sleeping on Moolah and she has a good chance at winning this. Yeah there are murderers in this but I think I'd put running a sex ring and destroying women's wrestling in the US as pretty loving awful. The US scene really still hasn't recovered from all the awful poo poo Moolah did.
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This matchup feels like Heyman vs Benoit lite. Much like in the previous match I went with systemic abuse over personal abuse but I'm hardly married to that here. And I've been on the Moolah train since before the last tournament ended. If Hell has layers, Moolah is looking skyward at Benoit. Gumball Gumption posted:https://deadspin.com/espns-30-for-30-on-ric-flair-glorifies-decades-of-sexua-1820305314 If it's any consolation he's probably suffered the most consequences of any wrestler on this list. Can't keep a marriage together, lost one of his kids because he was a lovely father and role model, broke, gets sober just long enough to remember why he spends most of his life drunk. This is what happens when Peter Pan wakes up. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Dec 2, 2019 |
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I mean, I think Moolah should be the front-runner here, I think she goes the whole way and I'd vote her over Benoit in a heartbeat. Tons of horrible people enabled her, but her poo poo is both heinous and severely underacknowledged. The only thing she doesn't have is a murder rap (that we know of), otherwise she basically excels in being a garbage human being.
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I thought it was Mick Foley whose jaw Dyno broke, or did he do that to Bruce Hart too?
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Dias posted:I mean, I think Moolah should be the front-runner here, I think she goes the whole way and I'd vote her over Benoit in a heartbeat. Tons of horrible people enabled her, but her poo poo is both heinous and severely underacknowledged. The only thing she doesn't have is a murder rap (that we know of), otherwise she basically excels in being a garbage human being. They both died with feebled 80 year old brains but only one of them was actually of that age, so I'm inclined to vote Moolah there.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I thought it was Mick Foley whose jaw Dyno broke, or did he do that to Bruce Hart too? He only hurt the ligaments in Foley's jaw, it wasn't as bad as Bruce Hart's jaw. Unsurprisingly the violent sociopath has so many violent interactions that they blend together when people retell them.
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In theory, Moolah runs into Vince K McMahon in the third round and I have absolutely no idea how that one plays out.
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Wouldn't surprise me if there were a few bodies buried on Moolah's old ranch
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Pinche Rudo posted:Wouldn't surprise me if there were a few bodies buried on Moolah's old ranch she strikes me as more of a pigs kind of cleaner. buried bodies tend to pop up at the worst possible times.
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Benoit's bracket should also be interesting since Hogan is getting such a huge percentage of votes in his match and the winner of that will face HHH.
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Would be genuinely surprised if Enzo got a single vote against Moolah.
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Justin_Brett posted:Would be genuinely surprised if Enzo got a single vote against Moolah. The battle to see who's the realest sexual predator in the room
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Mekchu posted:I went with Hogan because Flair was always portrayed as an evil rear end in a top hat both on screen and thus he was always viewed as a bad guy. Interestingly I only started watching in 94 or so so for me character history is that Hogan was always a transparently counterfeit motherfucker just playing "hero" until he got angry that people didn't love him enough and dropped the act and tried to become the ultimate super villain. Which then also had the dual effect of making Flair the defacto lesser of two evils hero representing family/friends and history and everything Hogan lied about. And that weirdly seemed to just carry over and cloud our judgments of what a scumbag Flair was. Then add in that weird thing we do where because much of Flair's badness was written into his character it almost softens the blow and feels less like a betrayal. But still, Hogan over Flair.
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Blast Fantasto posted:Also for his part in the Gawker/Thiel stuff (however justified his initial lawsuit was) Hogan has indirectly put dozens of innocent people out of work and helped to weaken journalism as a whole.  if you're gonna stretch that far, the blame for gawker (and the job losses) has to wrap back around and be almost pure Denton. He decided to run the Hogan tape and refused to take it down after a court order. Hell Peter Thiel's vendetta was because the rear end in a top hat thought it was cool and good to publicly 'out' people. Denton and Hogan even came to a settlement that absolved him of enough personal liability he got out of bankruptcy while gawker still died.
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Yeah, if someone is responsible for the Gawker stuff its the guy who did the lovely thing that caused everything. Hogan's got plenty of other stuff.
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Blast Fantasto posted:Also for his part in the Gawker/Thiel stuff (however justified his initial lawsuit was) Hogan has indirectly put dozens of innocent people out of work and helped to weaken journalism as a whole.  completely. gently caress Hogan and gently caress Thiel
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Didn’t Dynamite once inject milk instead of steroids into Davey Boy’s rear end as a joke?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Didn’t Dynamite once inject milk instead of steroids into Davey Boy’s rear end as a joke? yeah, but i still have to vote for him over Sapolsky
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Peak Gabe. https://twitter.com/ldpyes/status/1201634358697832454
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I really thought that the real championship match was going to be Moolah v Benoit, but then I read Grizzley's wikipedia page. But yeah, Moolah can go the distance I think
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Chris James 2 posted:
Hulk Hogan: so evil that people feel compelled to defend the company that was recirculating someone's sex tape despite multiple requests to take it down instead of him.
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Defiance Industries posted:Hulk Hogan: so evil that people feel compelled to defend the company that was recirculating someone's sex tape despite multiple requests to take it down instead of him. Literally the crux of Hogan’s lawsuit is that the sex tape was damaging to his career (to the tune of a hundred million dollars). How is that panning out? He got caught saying the n-word on camera multiple times and took just a brief reprieve from WWE but is now back on their payroll. No one taking this position is actually defending the actions of Daulerio - we’re acknowledging that REGARDLESS OF JUSTIFICATION it’s bad for a billionaire oligarch to bankroll lawsuits with the express purpose of bleeding publications that he doesn’t like dry. Daulerio literally didn’t work for Gawker anymore at the time of the lawsuit, and the ripples of that lawsuit are far reaching.
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Reputed prosecutor hooks up with 2 bit con artist and flips to defense. I feel like there's an even more interesting story that isn't being told here. This Brevetti character played a role in keeping Vince out of jail so she gets the nod. Was briefly tempted to not give her the nod because she was just doing her job (in a 'a system of law needs both prosecutors and defense' sort of way, not a Nazi sort of way) but doing crooked illegal poo poo to keep Vince out of jail? Whoops my finger slipped and clicked the button next to her name. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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ChrisBTY posted:Reputed prosecutor hooks up with 2 bit con artist and flips to defense. I voted the same way for the same reason. I feel like if you're going to point at Vince as the front runner to win this thing then the people who enable him and allowed him to keep going need to be held to accountable as well. I know that's a bit of a slippery slope but helping to keep him out of loving prison warrants a vote.
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That lady sounds like a real piece of poo poo but child molesters are always worse
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Brevetti is absolutely awful, but Lawler is a racist, sexist, pedophile scumbag rapist who just last week called someone a jumping bean. gently caress 'im. He gets my vote. EDIT: https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/wwe-news-jerry-lawler-on-puppies-falling-asleep-and-upset-fans-at-raw-25 Just last year he was trying to get his puppies nonsense back on air too. Vandar fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Yeah, I'm not going full "for a functioning legal system we need people to defend the guilty with the best of their ability" to justify her actions or tactics... but in a functioning legal system we do need people to defend the guilty with the best of their ability but we totally don't need lecherous, racist, sexist, abusive, rapists.
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Also, the idea that one lady stood between a rich white man and jail in the United States is hilarious.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Also, the idea that one lady stood between a rich white man and jail in the United States is hilarious. woah woah woah, vince wasnt THAT rich back then
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*preparing for Stephanie vs. Johnny Ace* If the feds are Al Qaeda and Vince is the World Trade Center then Laura Brevetti is one of our heroic first responders. 
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MassRafTer posted:Including a note about EVOLVE that flies under the radar. Oh hey, Peter Kaasa's a name I haven't heard in forever. He's also bad. Homophobic/transphobic if I recall correctly and during his like, three month excursion in Dragon Gate a couple years ago he injured like three people because he couldn't do his finisher (630 Senton) safely.
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BTW, before I reply to stuff directly: Since MFT didn't mention it, Brevetti folded her firm after 16 years in 2009, went to work as a partner in the NYC office of K&L Gates (McDevitt's firm) in 2013 while becoming WWE's general counsel the same year, and then left both jobs to reopen her firm in 2015. So while she's best-known for the steroid trial work and, among people who remember it, her late husband's (then-fiance's) involvement, she has had further association with the company. Oh, and for some reason, when Linda McMahon showed up at Tom Cole's unemployment hearing to personally fight his benefits(!), well-known expensive criminal lawyer Laura Brevetti of all people was flanking her. http://wrestlingperspective.com/issue/79/cole2.html Tom Cole: ...I came out and said, “Let me just mention one more thing. How many employees are in the WWF, Titan Sports, Mrs. McMahon?” She’ s like, “350.” I was like, “How many unemployment hearings do you attend yearly?" She goes, “I never attend.” “Well, I’m a measly ring crew guy. Why on Earth are you attending my unemployment hearing?" “Well, it’s the situation, ba-ba-ba.” They found in my favor. Then they took me one more time and they found in my favor and that was it. Wrestling Perspective: This was (Laura) Brevetti who was the lawyer. Tom Cole: Yes. Wrestling Perspective: So they actually brought Brevetti in who was actually the one from the steroid scandal as opposed to using McDevitt or one of the other lawyers. Tom Cole: Yes, she was a very, very mean woman. Not that a lawyer’s not supposed to be. Wrestling Perspective: Did you find it suspicious? Brevetti is a big gun. Tom Cole: Oh, absolutely. I didn’t know who she was at the time because I’d never met her. I thought I’d met all their lawyers. But evidently I didn’t. I was very surprised they brought her in; very surprised. ChrisBTY posted:Reputed prosecutor hooks up with 2 bit con artist and flips to defense. quote:This Brevetti character played a role in keeping Vince out of jail so she gets the nod. Was briefly tempted to not give her the nod because she was just doing her job (in a 'a system of law needs both prosecutors and defense' sort of way, not a Nazi sort of way) but doing crooked illegal poo poo to keep Vince out of jail? Whoops my finger slipped and clicked the button next to her name. Coolness Averted posted:
Nobody at Gawker ever refused to take down the video after the court order went down. This is explained pretty explicitly in John Cook's blog about the court order: https://gawker.com/a-judge-told-us-to-take-down-our-hulk-hogan-sex-tape-po-481328088 A lawful order from a circuit court judge is a serious thing. While we vehemently disagree with Campbell's order with respect to the video itself, we have chosen to take it down pending our appeal. But the portion of the order compelling us to remove the entirety of Daulerio's post—his words, his speech—is grossly unconstitutional. We won't take it down. Even setting aside that I like John Cook a whole lot, "they defied a court order to take down the video" has always been a load of bullshit. Understandable why someone would fall for it, but falling for it means you never read the post about the decision. And that's not even getting into how they won their appeal of the trial/county court judge's order on both the video AND the text, though they never added the video back. (Also, I forget the specifics, and I should probably look into it again at some point, but during my time reporting on the case, I remember someone pointing out to me that, at some point during all of the appeals, one of the filings with the Gawker edit of the video as an exhibit got fully unsealed. Meaning that by all rights, someone could request it from the court and publication of it would be fully protected speech legally in most states as publication of a court record. Whoever it was told me something to the effect of it not being worth the trouble, though. Which makes sense since the FBI sting recording was also unsealed—at the same time as the big document dump with the N-word related stuff the day of the verdict, actually—but was, mysteriously, not put on the website with the documents or provided to the in-person reporters who picked the documents up on...I forget if it was a DVD-ROM or thumb drive.) Also, nobody outed Thiel, or, if you feel it was outing, did it without his consent. Owen Thomas, the reporter who wrote the article, checked with a rep for Thiel, who said that it was fine and simply recitation of a fact: https://medium.com/@owenthomas/gawker-peter-thiel-and-me-f80389b84fa3 Add to that the subsequent conversation with a representative for Thiel who assured me that he had no issue with the post, which he viewed as simply stating a fact. The Thiel side has never disputed this. In his interview for Ryan Holliday's book, Thiel said that he was much more concerned with Denton's comment on the post. In his broader comments about the lawsuit funding the destroy the company scheme, he generally speaks in terms of Gawker/Valleywag being "bad for the Valley" and how it covered he/his friends critically. davidbix fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Thank you for your posts Bix
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Chris James 2 posted:Thank you for your posts Bix
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I still maintain that Gawker wouldn’t have been hosed so bad if AJ Daulerio was a normal human and not a massive condescending piece of poo poo.
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