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cr0y posted:They are all in on just saying the only reality is their own and up until this point they have suffered no negative consequences so why wouldn't they? I wonder how much of it is that they get off on watching all the senators/reps and news personalities and pundits hop to like jumping jacks desperate to be seen loudly and enthusiastically cleaning up after them, no matter how ludicrous the challenge they set. Like at this point it’s not just that it’s all a game, it’s that they find it fun to troll their supporters and see just how far they’ll go. Like Yosemite Sam shooting at their feet yelling DANCE VARMINT
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FizFashizzle posted:hell, in 2-3 years we're going to see the biggest spike in beef since the nixon administration because of how bad the year was for them this year I am intensely curious about this, could you provide more information
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Amazon Workers to Protest Outside Jeff Bezos' Penthouse on Cyber Monday vice.com/Dec 2 2019 "A week after a protest at Amazon’s Staten Island warehouse, workers will march on one of the company’s biggest sales days of the year in New York City."
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PhazonLink posted:if they havent done that to Clinton at the height of their power before the slow blue tide, i dont think they'll do that, but who knows. agreed. i think there are too many long term thinking monsters in the party(roberts and to an extent mitch and a bunch of the senate) who don't want to blow the load with trump. they are better off waiting for another genuinly popular Reagan type monster to pull that poo poo. i also think a bunch of the smart monsters hate trump and want him gone so people will ignore the horrible poo poo again. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Hi y'all. Ah damnit noooo now look what you fuckers have done I'm sorry, the what now?
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mdemone posted:Ah damnit noooo now look what you fuckers have done Probably a report on the impeachment process as it stands right now, given that it all goes to the judiciary committee next.
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1201693019780657152 loving lol. Watch the whole clip
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:republicans: somehow making Cuomo look good He's terrible and his "Aw shucks, we're all friends here even tho you're a war criminal" shtick gets old real quick, but he does sorta hold idiot's feet to the fire sometimes. He got Joe Kennedy to back down on his stupid Ukraine conspiracy BS. Even Cuomo seemed shocked that someone would say they were wrong.
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I think someone had posted a good article about it in the last month, but apparently Barr is a true believer in the right wing conspiracy nonsense about the ‘deep state’ and considers them a legitimate threat You also don’t go making speeches like the one he made recently to the Federalist Society which was full of just crazy nonsense about ‘progressive values’ being a threat to America if you don’t believe some of it.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:whats interesting is i always weirdly assumed Barr was one of the smarter monsters, liker roberts and mitch or nixon. but recent events including this have made me realize how mistaken i was. the big question is will he make this bigger by attacking the inspector general and trying to dig deeper or just out and out make poo poo up and call for investigations into obama/comey/whoever. I do believe that given his former actions with regards to Iran Contra, and even the way he managed to torpedo the Mueller investigation, that he is smart. It's just that like a lot of these guys, he's simply marinated himself so much in the right wing media echo chamber, that he's started to believe the conspiracy theories, and once you do that it doesn't matter how smart you are. You're going to behave erratically.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think someone had posted a good article about it in the last month, but apparently Barr is a true believer in the right wing conspiracy nonsense about the ‘deep state’ and considers them a legitimate threat I mean it could also just be massive projection on his part considering he helped cover up Iran-Contra, and also in 1992 began a secret phone surveillance program on all international calls involving US Citizens.
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1glitch0 posted:He's terrible and his "Aw shucks, we're all friends here even tho you're a war criminal" shtick gets old real quick, but he does sorta hold idiot's feet to the fire sometimes. He got Joe Kennedy to back down on his stupid Ukraine conspiracy BS. Even Cuomo seemed shocked that someone would say they were wrong. Here's hoping seeing Republicans get even more turbobad than usual in real time in front of his face leads to the same kind of awakening Nicolle Wallace had after she was forced to deal with Sarah Palin in person for the duration of the 2008 Republican campaign. Like touching the Monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey level poo poo.
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Amazing Zimmo posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1201693019780657152 This is incredible
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Amazing Zimmo posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1201693019780657152 look at the old gently caress: he just can't wrap his head around the fact that the truth is a hard "no", "b-b-b-but if you look at it from THIS angle" they squawk. or, in other words, they 100 percent and totally believe that facts care deeply about your feelings.
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so how do news orgs pick pics for stuff? like god they realy really really really......really....morereallys hate Donnie and his peeps to pick the worse pics. And they dont need to do poor photoshops.
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WOW: BREAKING: THE UTTER END: NO COMING BACK: APOCALYPTIC:
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PhazonLink posted:so how do news orgs pick pics for stuff? like god they realy really really really......really....morereallys hate Donnie and his peeps to pick the worse pics. And they dont need to do poor photoshops. To quote the first scene of eastbound and down, Barr looks like "a big ol' bag of mashed up assholes"
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Amazing Zimmo posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1201693019780657152 The most ridiculous thing about this clip is him saying that Trump wants to look at information on the DCCC server to see how they attacked his campaign. That statement alone makes my head hurt to think about it. It's victim blaming with a heavy dose of stupid Trumpian spin. It amazes me how Trump and his supporters manage to make themselves the victim in any situation.
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SubG posted:This cannot be stressed enough: the Republican position is now literally Russian disinformation. I think that is why people cling so tightly to this ship, honestly: Either you have guys like Barr who just drink it all down so they can feel like noble victims, guys like Nunes and Rudy who are too tied up in the mess to pull away as he sinks, and longtime ratfuckers like Mitch who know that Trump will pull down as many as he can with him if he falls. Especially in light of the news that folks like the NRA have been on the Kremlin payroll for years now. While he compains that the DNC conspired with Ukraine, he 'knows' that everyone has kompromat and has told them to toe the line. It doesn't even need to be real, with how easily his base claims his word as gospel: if he went and said 'Old Wrinkly Mitch has been on the Russian Payroll for years! We need a REAL leader who will stand for your GREAT President! (Trump)' then Mitch would be toast. And it could be a complete lie and not matter one whit because he has been conditioned by the Ailes Machine to be the next Great One, victim of conspiracy and valiant champion against the other. Projection, all the way down. What I am interested in is the next eight to ten years. The work that Ailes put down in making the right wing sphere so powerful had been cracking even before he was ousted, and his death only exposed the wounds and let them fester. I wonder what it will look like a decade after he is gone. We've already seen splintering harming the party, and it will only get worse as even the die-hard believers will fracture into different pockets.
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skeleton warrior posted:There are two things going on simultaneously that the media constantly gets confused. Thank you (and everyone else) for the detailed answer(s). I see that this is more of a Trump makes a big deal out of mundane stuff that was already happening and slaps his dumb brand all over it situation and less of a Trump makes dumb bullshit up whole cloth situation.
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J.A.B.C. posted:I think that is why people cling so tightly to this ship, honestly: The problem with being a die-hard believer in a reality that doesn't exist is that while it motivates people to mobilize against their foes, it causes tons of unforced errors because their view of reality is warped. A fascist leader is at heart, a con-artist. They attempt to impose their will onto reality instead of observing it and conforming to reality. I'm reminded of when Steve Miller allowed many immigrants to pour into sanctuary cities specifically because he thought that they'd act like savages and rape and burn and murder. That didn't happen and it caught him off guard. If you observe fascist movements throughout history, the people in charge become victims of their own lies. The worst kind of con-artist is the kind that buys their own bullshit. It makes them successful at running the con, but reality is ever-present and will launch its foot up your rear end when you're not ready for it. Personally I think that the Ailes machine will fragment because the republican party has become so insular that it can't create new narratives that appeal to people. It wants to go backwards into a past that not only no longer exists, but can't exist again in the current environment. To go back to a time where white males dominated when there are less of them as a percentage. The same goes for white people in general. The same goes for religious affiliation. I see the naked appeal to racism as a party that really doesn't have anything else. They'll continue to pivot and posture and bullshit and a good number of people will believe in that bullshit. The cynical will flee from the passionate when they take charge because the world that the passionate, true believers want to create will not be the comfortable, backroom dealings of power. It'll be loving coocoo bananas and anyone not indoctrinated into their ever expanded conspiracies and self-mythologizing will be turned off by how dumb and crazy it's going to get. And to make up for their shrinking base, they'll whip their remaining people into a froth to get more power from a shrinking population. The problem is that there is a finite amount of action you can get from a group of people. Some become exhausted and tune out. Some ask questions and get drummed out. Others won't accept the abuse when people in the power structure vent cruelty on them. And this mass of people, this movement, grows wilder and crueler and dumber by the moment. The problem with the Ailes machine is that it was made for a specific purpose. Don't allow another republican president to be removed from office ever again. This machine needs competent people to operate it and those competent people are primarily rational in their actions. That is not to say that they're good people, but it is to say that they understand reality largely for what it is and just don't like it. However, when true believers get access to that machine, it begins to break down because you need a rational, if not cynical worldview to understand the levers of power and how to pull them and how hard to pull them and when to pull them. As rational people are ousted or leave in disgust, true believers replace them because that's the pool of people available to you. You attempt to patch up the faults with zeal, but institutions don't run on zeal. In fact, institutions crumble when too many zealous people infiltrate. Institutions require practiced, disciplined people who achieve practiced, measured results over and over again. It's a machine and that machine needs parts that fit and behave according to the needs of that machine. The machine that Ailes made is coming to its logical conclusion. It achieved its goal. Donald Trump will most likely not be removed from office. But the means that it took to create those circumstances meant that people need to be shielded from reality and that there needs to be some sort of narrative that contradicts and attacks reality. The problem is that we live in reality and reality can only be ignored for so long before it kicks your rear end. The republican party was not always a fascist movement, but fascists have infiltrated it. And you've correctly identified what is going to happen. Fascists are fractious and catty. If there's no one to unify them, they'll continually break into smaller and smaller segments. And as the true believers infiltrate positions of power and don't have a figure to rally behind, those machines will break into smaller, less optimized, even non-functioning machines. Talent flees when the zealous are stupid and in charge. The current iteration of Fox News can't survive. Its viewership is ancient and shrinking. It can achieve its goals, but only at the expense of becoming delusional. Imagine a man huffing his own farts forever.
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SubG posted:This cannot be stressed enough: the Republican position is now literally Russian disinformation. Yeah, it's more obvious than ever this whole thing's a sham. Guys, they're not scared of "Trump 's base" and they're not protecting Trump for his sake, they're protecting Russian interests. It would be so easy for them to dump Trump and bring in someone else willing to say all the racist stuff and tax break stuff a little more coherently and without all the obvious crimes and organizational incompetence. If Republican leadership turned the media and propaganda apparatus against Trump the majority will turn against him because it's the main thing keeping him going at this point. And they would get away with this basically scot free politically because all they would have to do is blame Russia! It'd be easier for them to form a nationalist authoritarian majority constituency with a bipartisan existential foreign threat that they could use to keep everyone properly freaked out and bludgeon the left with ("what are you, one of them loving commies?") and just live out Cold War II, and hell, if they're really lucky they might be able to eventually leverage all this into bombing Iran or some poo poo. But no, instead of using any of this to their advantage they're bending over backwards and blowing any and all political capital they've ever built to keep an obviously criminal rear end in a top hat buffoon from getting impeached, keep their 40% in polls from ever venturing outside their bubble, and to extremely painfully cultivate a pro-Russian constituency in the US. Whatever is motivating them, they're not even working for their own interests anymore, it's all about Russia.
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:It would be so easy for them to dump Trump and bring in someone else willing to say all the racist stuff and tax break stuff a little more coherently and without all the obvious crimes and organizational incompetence. If Republican leadership turned the media and propaganda apparatus against Trump the majority will turn against him because it's the main thing keeping him going at this point. I disagree. Someone charismatic doesn't rise to the top in politics very often. When they dump Trump, they'll memory hole him fairly quickly, but who fills those shoes? And this is an honest question. Who in the republican party has Trump's charisma to unite the fascists together? I don't see anyone at the moment in power who can do it. They'll pretend at charisma, but anyone truly charismatic will still need money and they'll bow to corporate interests who will water down what they say and that will turn people off. Trump isn't unique, but our political system tens to filter out charismatic demagogues.
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https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1201578378429681665 "PROJECTION your honor, PROJECTION" *judge bangs gavel* "Case over." Amazing Zimmo fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Ice Phisherman posted:I disagree. Someone charismatic doesn't rise to the top in politics very often. When they dump Trump, they'll memory hole him fairly quickly, but who fills those shoes? Kanye West
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Ice Phisherman posted:I disagree. Someone charismatic doesn't rise to the top in politics very often. When they dump Trump, they'll memory hole him fairly quickly, but who fills those shoes? Honestly? You'll see it come from the Prosperity Gospel side of the house. Trump's biggest sin is that he pulled the curtain back on just how dirty politics can get. A perennial grifter, a bankrupt-prone fool moving from one scam to the next, using one of the world's most prestigious offices to blatantly enrich himself. And his supporters love him for it because he is as nakedly vicious and petty as they are. He is the zenith of the angry, beset 'real american' made by the Ailes Machine, despite being a cowardly, useless silver-spoon coastal elite. Denying reality once again. He fits right at home with the fake doctorates and bullshit line of Prosperity Gospel. Joel Osteen, Jim Bakker, Paula White, Franklin Graham, I could list names for days. These moneychangers in the temple defend him partly because he feeds the same base and partly because they are cut from the same rotten cloth of preying on the weak and gullible in the disguise of something grand. And ever since the 'Moral Majority', huckster religion and huckster politics have entwined like inbred lovers chasing money and power. And it isn't new, of course. But I could definitely seeing someone like Graham or White deciding to 'continue fighting and giving for the Lord' by running for office. The old barriers were scattered by the 2016 election and everything after, so I can't confidently say that they would stay out because of their personal fortunes or past scandals. Living through Nehemeah Scudder. These are The Crazy Years.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Hmm... I wonder what quid pro quo this was about lol, so, this is 100% definitely going to be the exact same thing as Ukraine, right?
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empty whippet box posted:lol, so, this is 100% definitely going to be the exact same thing as Ukraine, right? What did Lebanon announce in the news recently?
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Amazing Zimmo posted:https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1201578378429681665 is claiming that our overlords are "the media" a dogwhistle?
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Amazing Zimmo posted:https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1201526337724399618 the president is so poor he has to get Pro Bono lawyers? Also doesn't a lawyer need to be paid to represent someone, or is that one of those Better Call Saul / John Grisham TV tropes? E: or is this as admission that he doesn't need to get paid because the grift is so good?
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Amazing Zimmo posted:https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1201578378429681665 Years ago the Kremlin and the Russian intelligence services launched a campaign to attack the integrity of American elections and to undermine democracy in America. As of right now, today, President Trump, House Minority Leader McCarthy, ranking member of the HPSCI Nunes, AG Barr, and other senior members of the Republican leadership are actively participating in that campaign. That is: they are specifically and actively undermining US institutional efforts to counter the Russian activities, and they are specifically and actively acting in furtherance of them. As in it is beyond any reasonable doubt true that this is happening, beyond any reasonable questions of interpretation or political bias or anything like that. Note that I'm not suggesting that ranking Republicans are all Russian moles, or on the Russian payroll, or any James Bond superspy horseshit like that. It is neither necessary nor, from the Russian perspective, desirable that that be true. It is sufficient that Russia has created a crisis and then dangled a lifeline for the Republicans to cling to, and they're clinging to it. There's certainly room to debate to what extent various Republicans are willing or knowing participants in all of this, and to what extent they're merely barking mad tools. But that's just set dressing that doesn't change the underlying fact that they're doing it. So when turboshitheels like Gaetz engage in up-is-down propaganda like this it's not projection any more than it is economic anxiety. It is part of an active campaign to undermine democratic institutions predicated on undermining the ability to conduct the (at least semi-)rational discourse necessary to maintaining anything like a functioning democracy. Psychological projection is a defence mechanism. What Gaetz is doing here isn't defensive. It's an rhetorical attack. And specifically it's a rhetorical attack favoured by fascists: accuse your enemy of wanting to do what you want to do, as this justifies attacking them. If you're a cop and want to shoot an unarmed black man, you say the unarmed black man made you fear for your life, so you had to kill him. This isn't projection. It's propaganda.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:whats interesting is i always weirdly assumed Barr was one of the smarter monsters, liker roberts and mitch or nixon. but recent events including this have made me realize how mistaken i was. the big question is will he make this bigger by attacking the inspector general and trying to dig deeper or just out and out make poo poo up and call for investigations into obama/comey/whoever. It doesn’t matter how smart you are. You’re gonna sound like an idiot if you have to go outside every day and tell the world the sky is purple because your boss says so.
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Discendo Vox posted:Hi y'all. you sir have piqued my interest.
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Charlz Guybon posted:I do believe that given his former actions with regards to Iran Contra, and even the way he managed to torpedo the Mueller investigation, that he is smart. It's just that like a lot of these guys, he's simply marinated himself so much in the right wing media echo chamber, that he's started to believe the conspiracy theories, and once you do that it doesn't matter how smart you are. You're going to behave erratically. Yeah, you can be a Rhodes scholar but if you spend all day watching Fox news you'll still act like an idiot because your brain will get poisoned.
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