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Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/GaryGibbonBlog/status/1201616036409180160 This whole thing boils my piss but the loving idea that Labour can't pay for their manifesto is creasing me. Not because the manifesto is costed and all, but because the classic attack line against them and indeed any left party, is "But they'll put up your taxeessss!" like maybe you think that's bad but that's where the money comes from ya ding-dongs. Also "I don't know what Labour stand for" hmmm maybe pay the slightest bit of attention? e; This is the 29th page in this thread. e2; Arrrghhh imagine wanting to vote Leave because you're hosed off but then considering voting Tory how do brains get this broken e3; lmao this lass who goes off on Johnson for his loving constant lying and being mad at him for lying even to the Queen (pbuh) and then raising her hand when asked who might vote tory just lmao Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Jan/Feb 2019 Dec 2019 https://twitter.com/simonk_133/status/1201618308623224832 And this flew under the rader but: Dozens planned new centrist party after Brexit, says ex-Tory minister posted:Nick Boles says ‘final resolve’ of supporters was lacking CUKTIG's absolute failure hosed up the plans of another bunch of failures hoping to set up another bland centrist poo poo party.
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'I don't know what he stands for!!' actually means 'I know what he stands for and I don't like it, but I know I can't say that without revealing myself to be a ghoul'.
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Ms Adequate posted:This whole thing boils my piss but the loving idea that Labour can't pay for their manifesto is creasing me. Not because the manifesto is costed and all, but because the classic attack line against them and indeed any left party, is "But they'll put up your taxeessss!" like maybe you think that's bad but that's where the money comes from ya ding-dongs. Also "I don't know what Labour stand for" hmmm maybe pay the slightest bit of attention? The Tories invite a news crew to come observe their focus group and tell them 'oh we never expected to get many Labour Leave voters crossing directly to us, but you know what? I'm feeling quite hopeful now!'. They have a panel of people who all say they voted Labour in 2017 (when Corbyn had been leader for two years, when Labour's policies were mostly the same as now, when the Tories central policy was just as much 'Brexit Brexit Brexit' as today), but now all agree they could never vote for that untrustworthy Jeremy Corbyn who's so shifty and you don't what he stands for, and everyone nods and says 'Exactly!' at each other's points and the whole group's in perfect agreement. They play a video clip of Boris, and everyone simpers and talks about how loveable and trustworthy he is, a bit of a buffoon maybe but still a great leader, aw, couldn't you just give him a hug! And at the end, well wouldn't you know it, every single one of them is thinking of voting Tory this tome around. Then the news crew go away and give a glowing report on the Tories' great success at poaching Labour voters. It's just all so perfect. Dom Cummies couldn't have scripted it better. Like, it makes you sound like a loving loon, going on about rigged media and Potemkin focus groups, but... gently caress. I think I said before that this election makes me understand how a lot of Trump voters felt (er, about the election itself) in 2016 and kept themselves motivated, and I have no idea how to feel about that or if it's healthy.
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mila kunis posted:
Classic Mose
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Apraxin posted:A part of me wants to say that whole thing was... not staged exactly, but definitely planned out beforehand with carefully curated participants. I suspec this is highly accurate, and that even this kind of focus group testing done properly (If this is not genuine) will inevitably be open to problems and biases. It still winds me up though, because even if the people were chosen carefully and put in the situation carefully, they did still say that shite they said. But, eh, it's not like I think they're the heralds of a genuine wave of voters that will kill Labour dead so I should probably just ignore them. Pesky Splinter posted:Jan/Feb 2019 This is big league lols, they all thought they were making clever plans but all their massive egos crashed into each other like so many floppy dicks and even the ones who managed to set up Continuity CUKTIG are about to get demolished while the rest didn't even get that much of a sop to their egos because incompetent radical Jeremy Corbyn successfully led the anti-Brexit forces to stopping Brexit and is on course for a Second Referendum
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mila kunis posted:This poo poo's being boosted by goon hero Brown Moses of all people Lol what a knobhead. Got his CIA money and stopped giving a poo poo lol.
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Lol, the Cuk-Tig 'grown-ups' and their GCSE Marketing idea of political parties. They thought they could sell themselves like it was McDonalds advertising a new meal deal: do a poster campaign, think up the right slogan and the dumb plebs'll come crowding in with their votes. The wishful thinking and political fan fiction generated by the Guardian melts when the party was launched was the real icing on the cake for me.
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The funniest party named after Chuka ... so far! Haven't seen the actual text of this so far, but apparently Labour's disability manifesto is out today. And it's loving over PIPs. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/03/labour-vows-to-end-prejudice-faced-by-disabled-people-in-uk quote:Labour has promised to end what it calls the “hostile environment” for disabled people in the social security system as part of a raft of plans to tackle discrimination. This is very good thank you Jeremy Corbyn
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Possibly teaching grandma to suck eggs but: From last page, but do you think it would be possible to do something gently caress-y like publish photos to a repository under a CC-BY licence (public domain, free reuse) in a personal capacity and then just cite them in party communications? I know it's a little "technically correct, the best kind of correct", but it's a trick I learnt for academic publishing purposes that so far hasn't backfired.
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mila kunis posted:Wrap it up, Corbyn's a ruskie and the Tories wanting to sell off the NHS is a russian lie God forbid I retweet an article from a major news organisation based on research of organisations I've worked with, relating to a topic I've personally been involved with. Also, where in that article does anyone claim the Tories wanting to sell of the NHS is a Russian lie?
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in the first sentence, where it uses the word disinformation
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It literally claims it can't verify the legitimacy of the documents and that they were provided by a devious foreign and therefore it totally might have been russia guys. If that's your standard of journalism you're an even bigger hack than I thought. It's a complete non-article JAQing off about how you can't trust the documents. This is the substance: quote:The leak and distribution of classified British-U.S. trade documents online resembles a disinformation campaign uncovered this year that originated in Russia, according to experts who say it could signal foreign interference in Britain's election. Because: quote:A link to download documents with the same content and metadata as the documents released by Labour was first shared on Internet discussion site Reddit by a user who made language errors typical of non-native English speakers. Therefore: quote:The researchers interviewed by Reuters said the websites used to put the information online, Twitter activity and language errors all resembled the Secondary Infektion campaign. loving russia brain nonsense. Foreigners posting on reddit = russian psyops. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Corbyn must destroy his enemies, they are only capable of lying, traitors are everywhere.
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The fake news media making false claims of Russian disinformation, where have I heard that before?
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Brown Moses posted:The fake news media making us false claims of Russian disinformation, where have I heard that before? Wow with that kind of contextual analysis I can see why people call you a journalist. gently caress off back to america or wherever you spend your time sucking yank dick for cash and leave those of us who actually need to win this election to do it.
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# ? Dec 3, 2019 08:54 |
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Maybe you should stop treating politics like a cult.
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Brown Moses posted:Maybe you should stop treating politics like a cult. Just because you can sit high above poltiics on your throne of "impartiality" doesn't mean the rest of us can. Act like any other media prick, get treated like one.
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Wow, you do such a great job winning people over to your side.
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You were never on our side.
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Brown Moses posted:Wow, you do such a great job winning people over to your side. This thread has actually won over quite a few people to their side over the years, me included.
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OwlFancier posted:You were never on our side. I was literally planning to vote for my local labour candidate, and voted Labour in the last European and General elections. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Dec 3, 2019 09:03 |
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Just watched Sky news attempt to murder our wonderful Laura Pidcock over the leaked NHS documents. SKY NEWS haven’t been toooo bad where it comes to blatantly obvious bias but the last week has seen quite a switch. Today I had to turn it off. Kay Burley outright haranguing LP over the source of the documents. Refusing to talk about the content and throwing as much doubt of the veracity of the documents as she could in a 5 minute section. The distraction tactics are real.
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Brown Moses posted:I was literally planning to vote for my local labour candidate, and voted Labour in the last European and General elections. Oh well that makes you immune to criticism doesn't it.
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https://twitter.com/ScrtDrugAddict/status/1201186459270754304
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OwlFancier posted:Oh well that makes you immune to criticism doesn't it. Maybe you should realise not every voter treats politics like a cult of personality, there's bigger issues at play.
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Brown Moses was totally going to vote Labour you guys, it was just all those mean leftists that forced him to be a ToryAbsolute Zeroes posted:our transphobic Laura Pidcock Ftfy
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That's definitely why everyone's really invested in the outcome of the election, cult of personality, yep, you cracked it, big journalist brain you got there, do you have a column in the guardian? Tell us more why russia is the most important thing.
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Since Owlfancier is on the vitriol, it may not say outright that it's fake claims made up by Russians, but it sure as hell implies it especially from the headline. Given the amount of scaremongering around fake news and russian trolls, people will think they anything to do with Russian electoral meddling is fake, and putting "An actual government document that's bad for Boris the russians may have got hold of somehow" in that category is trying to discredit it by association.
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Brown Moses posted:I was literally planning to vote for my local labour candidate, and voted Labour in the last European and General elections. Was or still am?
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I've never voted Tory in my life, not would I consider doing it, not least because of the massive damage Thatcher did to the coal mining communities my family comes from.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Since Owlfancier is on the vitriol, it may not say outright that it's fake claims made up by Russians, but it sure as hell implies it especially from the headline. Given the amount of scaremongering around fake news and russian trolls, people will think they anything to do with Russian electoral meddling is fake, and putting "An actual government document that's bad for Boris the russians may have got hold of somehow" in that category is trying to discredit it by association. Uh, no, clearly it does not outright state that connection therefore it is not making it, implication and tone do not exist, unless it's being rude to big journalist boy.
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Oh no I just realised I’m actually a Russian psyops agent and I didn’t even know it
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Brown Moses posted:Maybe you should realise not every voter treats politics like a cult of personality, there's bigger issues at play. Yeah... like the NHS. Whos blatant forthcoming sale you're currently helping imply is a Russian disinformation campaign. Perhaps it is you who are the mono-focused obsessive, not seeing the bigger picture here?
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The rationale for it being a Russian release seems weak, spelling mistakes aren't exclusive to Russian hackers, but it's fair to be aware and wanting to fight back against Russian hacking of our government. The presentation of the doc as disinformation though is itself disinformation. There's been no argument from the UK government about whether these docs are valid. Attempting to frame is as disinformation rather than a leak of actual real information seems just completely wrong.
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# ? Dec 3, 2019 09:13 |
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The article says it resembles a disinformation campaign from earlier in on the year that originated from Russia, which is how researchers came to the conclusion it could be foreign interference in the current election, and at no point in the article does it claim the leaked documents themselves are false, and therefore disinformation.
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Brown Moses posted:The article says it resembles a disinformation campaign from earlier in on the year that originated from Russia, which is how researchers came to the conclusion it could be foreign interference in the current election, and at no point in the article does it claim the leaked documents themselves are false, and therefore disinformation. It implies it REALLY HEAVILY, dude. Also, why are Labour on the spotlight for this? Surely have the government on and say "are these fake? If yes, show us the real ones". This is the simplest loving journalism in the world.
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Guys stop pretending like there's an implicit contextual suggestion that things originating in russia are fake, just because it makes sure to point out that it can't verify the legitimacy of the documents doesn't mean it's suggesting they're fake. I'm a journalist. There's bigger things at stake here! Context is not one of those things!
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Brown Moses posted:The article says it resembles a disinformation campaign from earlier in on the year that originated from Russia, which is how researchers came to the conclusion it could be foreign interference in the current election, and at no point in the article does it claim the leaked documents themselves are false, and therefore disinformation. Does it matter what the article actually claims? The headline basically reads 'Scumbag Corbyn spreading Russian fake news'.
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Brown Moses posted:I've never voted Tory in my life, not would I consider doing it, not least because of the massive damage Thatcher did to the coal mining communities my family comes from. Hmmm, I did not say Tory, I asked about Labour. Does this mean you are Lib Demming? If so, I urge you to reconsider and vote Labour no matter what to help real life people all around you.
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