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Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

snitches typically don't get recruited by Yale professors, it's more of a 'we caught you, now do this or you'll go to prison' sort of situation

now it wouldn't make much sense for the normal CIA that doesn't really give a poo poo about criminal enforcement to be in any position to do that, but the all-powerful evil wizard CIA that designed the fake airplane holograms that "hit" the WTC and paid off all the crisis actors at Newtown is another story

lol and that's how sabu ended up working for the fbi

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A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Spies in that kind of hands-on sense historically have tended to be addicts and fuckups in a sensitive position that a hostile intelligence agency figured out the right leverage on, or people with strong sympathies against a regime who've somehow wound up close to its upper echelons, not a career move by the professional class. The latter relies on a conception of spycraft in which well-connected Yalies basically guaranteed a future as a 1% oligarch are instead opting to live out their lives as impoverished deep-cover bureaucrats in fuckin Iran, and somehow succeeding at doing so. The Yalies become administrators, and never personally get within 500 miles of the people they're spying on.

In either case, though, to propose Epstein in particular was pimping on behalf of the CIA one would first have to expand on when the gently caress exactly all those same CIA Yalies started waging war on their classmates, and actively searching for assets to turn against them. Cause they sure as poo poo didn't go through all that trouble thinking he was their key to taking out Evo Morales.

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# ? Dec 2, 2019 23:26

MizPiz: May 29, 2013; by Athanatos

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

Spies in that kind of hands-on sense historically have tended to be addicts and fuckups in a sensitive position that a hostile intelligence agency figured out the right leverage on, or people with strong sympathies against a regime who've somehow wound up close to its upper echelons, not a career move by the professional class. The latter relies on a conception of spycraft in which well-connected Yalies basically guaranteed a future as a 1% oligarch are instead opting to live out their lives as impoverished deep-cover bureaucrats in fuckin Iran, and somehow succeeding at doing so. The Yalies become administrators, and never personally get within 500 miles of the people they're spying on.

You must have a blessed life to have never heard of Pete Buttigieg

# ? Dec 2, 2019 23:51

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

�Mossad does everything and every other spy agency is an arm of Mossad� is pretty much only the domain of antisemites, I don�t think it�s ever a legitimate accusation

it�s for people who already believe The Jews control everything trying to pinpoint exactly how the elders of Zion are moving the chess pieces and I wish people wouldn�t fall for it- it�s disingenuously also to get non antisemites rabid about Israel�s meddling in world affairs (even when they have nothing to do with it)

the United States doesn�t need help being evil and Israel is a forward operating base of the US, not the other way around

I just lol when I hear �Epstein was an intelligence asset, and therefore was Mossad, as only a perfidious Jew could be�

I don't see anyone making statements like that. I also think you're missing the forest for the trees when you write something like "the United States doesn�t need help being evil and Israel is a forward operating base of the US, not the other way around." That's an overly simplistic model of politics.

Intelligence agencies help each other out and work together because it is a very effective way to avoid oversight by their own national governments. During the 1980s there was an ongoing conflict between parts of the executive branch of the American government and the legislative branch of the American government. Legislators in Congress were using their control of funds and their investigative powers to jam up Reagan's foreign policy in South America. The Reagan White House was able to circumvent Congress by working with foreign intelligence and criminal networks to maintain support for the Contras. The Israeli government played a major role in this process.

Frosted Flake posted:

How did CIA recruiting work at that time?

Was it still done through professors making the introductions to promising university students at Yale? As a dropout, Epstein wouldn’t fit the profile for being recruited through academia.

He wasn’t in the military either which seems to be where many recruits came from at that time.

Epstein's first real job as working at the Dalton school in Manhattan, where he was hired by Donald Barr, who did indeed teach English at Columbia University and who also happened to be a former OSS agent. Barr's son is William Barr, the current Attorney General. It is a matter of public record that William Barr worked for the CIA in the 1970s:

quote:

The son of faculty members at Columbia University, Barr was born and raised in New York City. He also attended Columbia University and earned a bachelor�s degree in government in 1971 and then a master�s degree in government and Chinese studies in 1973. He worked at the CIA from 1973 to 1977 while attending George Washington University�s law school at night. After receiving his JD, he clerked for Judge Malcolm Wilkey of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia and practiced law at Shaw, Pittman, Potts & Trowbridge, now known as Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw Pittman.

Epstein actually did tell people in the 1980s that he worked for the CIA, he reportedly carried a gun, and one of the items retrieved from his safe was an expired Austrian passport listing his residence as Saudi Arabia. However, my own intuition would be that he was never actually an agent. I might be wrong here but to me the impression I get is that whatever he was doing was probably largely 'off book'. I think the entire advantage of the kind of connections he made was that he could be a resource that was beyond the legal oversight of Congress. In fact he may have been beyond the oversight of even the CIA - what we know about the agency in the 60s and 70s suggests that often times even senior CIA people up to and including the director did not necessary have full knowledge of everything the agency was doing. Things were very compartmentalized and there were often incentives on both ends to limit information (while it's obvious that sometimes you don't want your boss to know what you're doing, we should also consider that sometimes its easier if you don't know what your subordinates are up to, so the incentive to keep some information and activities off book makes sense from both directions).

Another tantalizing aspect of Epstein's career is that he was recruited into Bear Stearns by Alan "Ace" Greenberg. Wall Street and the CIA have always been deeply connected and many top agency personnel have filtered back and forth between government and Wall Street. Greenberg's brother was the head of AIG which was founded in 1919 by OSS agent Cornelius Vander Starr, who in turn picked Maurice Greenberg as his successor. As one biography notes Maurice had his own rather deep connections with the CIA.

Fallen Giant: The Amazing Story of Hank Greenberg and the History of AIG, Ron Shelp, Al Ehrbar, Hoboken, NJ: John Wiley & Sons Inc, 2006, p. 93-95 posted:

Starr, who had started poor and never received a college degree, must
have been impressed by Youngman�s family wealth and impeccable blueblood credentials (Youngman�s wife was a Boston Brahmin), including
Harvard College and Harvard Law. Attracting someone with this background would help give his company the stature and credibility he was
sure it deserved. The white-shoe image got some added reinforcement
when Youngman and Starr recruited Gordon B. Tweedy, a product of Yale
University and Yale Law School who, like Youngman, had a China connection. He had worked for the China National Aviation Corporation in
Calcutta during the latter part of World War II while also serving as an
OSS operative under Youngman. He was married to Mary Tweedy, a
respected correspondent for Life magazine. The Tweedys had one adventure that took on legendary proportions. Early in 1945, while Mary was
in a state of advanced pregnancy, she and Gordon took a flight from
Delhi in a U.S. military aircraft headed for Kashmir. Halfway there the
pilot got lost and they all had to bail out. They were rescued and finally
made it back to Calcutta. General Hackett pinned a gemmed caterpillar
on the diapers of the girl (Clare) subsequently born to the Tweedys and
she became a member of the Caterpillar Club (a club formed in the 1920s
whose requirement for membership was that you had jumped out of a disabled plane)

Starr loved this story. It probably reaffirmed his belief that his firm
clearly had arrived if it could attract a personage with Gordon Tweedy�s
credentials. Youngman worked for the OSS during the war and had a
number of operatives working for him, including Gordon Tweedy. So it is
not clear who attracted Tweedy�Youngman or Starr. In a company like
Starr�s, he would not have come aboard without Starr�s approval. But since
Tweedy had worked for Youngman, he would have been the deciding factor, even though Starr had met Tweedy in China. Tweedy was to serve as a
counsel in the company but was basically reporting to Youngman. In any
case, with the addition of two men of the stature of Youngman and Tweedy
(and a wife as formidable as Mary Tweedy), C.V. Starr & Co. was a firm
to be taken seriously.

Youngman and Tweedy were the first of a line of American International executives involved with intelligence agencies. It started with Starr,
who, as reported previously, worked with �Wild Bill� Donovan, head of the
OSS, during the war. A number of Starr�s employees served as agents. In
the case of Youngman, basically he had a string of six or seven operatives
like Tweedy. A controversial employee was Duncan Lee, who, was a friend
of Youngman�s, was not one of his operatives during the war. While working at C.V. Starr, he had to be smuggled to Bermuda by Youngman
because he was targeted by Senator Joe McCarthy in his Communist
witch-hunting. Lee, a descendent of General Robert E. Lee and a Rhodes
scholar, was born to missionary parents in Nanking, China. He graduated
from Yale and returned to Yale Law School after Oxford. He joined the
law firm of Donovan and Leisure, and followed World War I hero �Wild
Bill� Donovan (holder of a Medal of Honor) to Washington. He was fingered in the book The Haunted Wood as being a Soviet spy. In the early
summer of 1942 Lee was appointed confidential assistant to Donovan,
chief of the OSS. Lee was employed by the OSS from 1942 to 1946. A
decryption from June 1943 lists six Soviet agents working in the OSS. One
of the Soviet sources was identified as Duncan Lee. Lee allegedly supplied
the Soviet Union with a list of OSS employees suspected of being Communists or Communist sympathizers, and informed Moscow of the
impending D-Day invasion in 1944 and operations in China and Japan.
Decoded Soviet intelligence cables show Lee reporting on British and
American diplomatic strategy for negotiating with Stalin over postwar
Poland, American diplomatic activities in Turkey and Romania, and OSS
operations in China and France.

Elizabeth Bentley, a Vassar graduate descended from Mayflower passengers, testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee
that Duncan Lee and others such as Alger Hiss were Soviet spies. But Lee
was never prosecuted.

Later, he privately admitted that he and his wife had joined the Communist Party while they were students at Yale. In 1944 his wife discovered
he was having an affair with another Communist courier, Mary Price. He
subsequently remarried and moved to Bermuda but fervently denied that
he had ever done anything in the least revolutionary. When Lloyd Cutler,
former White House counsel, was interviewed for a biographical oral history project, he described Lee as a McCarthy victim who was quite visible
and very interested in China. Cutler�s interviewer said he was a Soviet spy.
In any case, Youngman was totally supportive of Lee and backed him
throughout the ordeal, as did Starr. He later returned to New York and finished a successful career at the company.

All told, Youngman brought at least four of his former OSS operatives
into the Starr companies, including Betancourt, Weinbrenner, and Tweedy.
While this meant there were lots of executives with loyalties to Youngman,
this was not a threat to Starr, although it may have been to other ambitious
executives. All these former OSS operatives prospered at American International, which, again, was commensurate with Starr�s notion that you did
not need to know insurance to do well in his company. Later, Greenberg
would perform a similar service, although generally at a higher level, when
he would brief the CIA after his overseas business trips. It was always
alleged, but never confirmed, that AIG insures CIA facilities around the
world.

Of course none of this is conclusive but it certainly emphasizes two things: first it really helps emphasize the OSS / CIA's long running and rather unsurprising interest in financial and transportation companies and their tendency to embed agents within corporate America. Second, it further illustrates how seemingly every major figure in Epstein's career during the 1980s was in one way or another connected to or of interest to intelligence agencies.

And as always it is plausible that to at least some degree Epstein actively inserted himself into this world and carved out a niche for himself. It certainly seems weird that his first job came from Donald Barr but that might be a coincidence. Or maybe Epstein was somehow recruited to be an asset by someone or other but it happened later in his career. Or maybe its some bizarre amalgam of those two explanations: maybe Epstein was recruited to do one specific thing but then branched out on his own. Perhaps he drifted back and forth between working for himself and other people. Perhaps this idea of 'working for' people doesn't even really make sense in this context because relationships aren't linear and power and influence starts to operate in very weird ways once you're this far removed from the public eye.

Helsing has issued a correction as of 00:04 on Dec 3, 2019

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Dr. Killjoy: Oct 9, 2012

smarxist posted:

it's cool that GTA5's portrayal of alphabet soup agencies wasn't insane enough

Scottish developers really lend the Rockstar games to great �gently caress you�s to America, like preventing the CIA analogue from doing a false flag terror attack in that game or Pinkertons being one of the dominant enemies in Red Dead

hobbesmaster posted:

I mean, �mossad plays the 5 eyes countries like a fiddle� only requires you to believe that mossad is more competent than the US/UK/CAN/AUS/NZ which doesn�t seem like a stretch

I mean you�re basically falling for pro-Israeli propaganda of a hyper-competent military-intelligence apparatus at that point, when reality has demonstrated that they�re merely doing all the hosed up poo poo Americans do but worse, with a cherry on top of a mythical rocket defense system that doesn�t even work mathematically. Like poo poo, I remember reading a Bush era war on terror book by Bill loving Maher where he extolls the virtues of racial profiling as done by Israeli air security.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 01:28

Ora Tzo: Feb 26, 2016; HEEEERES TONYYYY

https://www.news.com.au/entertainme...d7bc71445eaa162

quote:

Prince Andrew�s bombshell 5.50am email
Emails between Prince Andrew and close friend Ghislaine Maxwell uncovered in a BBC documentary have thrown doubt on his claims that he did not recall meeting his accuser Virginia Giuffre in 2001.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 02:48

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Dr. Killjoy posted:

I mean you�re basically falling for pro-Israeli propaganda of a hyper-competent military-intelligence apparatus at that point, when reality has demonstrated that they�re merely doing all the hosed up poo poo Americans do but worse, with a cherry on top of a mythical rocket defense system that doesn�t even work mathematically. Like poo poo, I remember reading a Bush era war on terror book by Bill loving Maher where he extolls the virtues of racial profiling as done by Israeli air security.

You misunderstand - I'm saying the bar set by the anglosphere's intelligence agencies is so low that Mossad not spectacularly, publicly loving up shows they're miles above the CIA.

The CIA can't even put together a central american coup, let alone a south american one these days. Those were like intern projects in the 50s/60s.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 03:10

Burn Zone: May 22, 2004

Ora Tzo posted:

https://www.news.com.au/entertainme...d7bc71445eaa162

hadn�t seen this one

# ? Dec 3, 2019 04:22

Siljmonster: Dec 16, 2005; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Burn Zone posted:

hadn�t seen this one

l m a o

# ? Dec 3, 2019 04:26

Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Burn Zone posted:

hadn’t seen this one

A rare Jeffery

# ? Dec 3, 2019 05:06

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

MizPiz posted:

You must have a blessed life to have never heard of Pete Buttigieg

real James Bond that guy

being pedophile Mata Hari, spending a semester doing the spook equivalent of Teach For America on one's way to the Presidency; same thing basically

# ? Dec 3, 2019 05:28

Ora Tzo: Feb 26, 2016; HEEEERES TONYYYY

Burn Zone posted:

hadn�t seen this one

I hadn't seen this one.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 11:40

SpaceGoku: Jul 19, 2011

jeffrey epstein lurking in the back of every photo containing more than $1bn of net worth like an orb, or a cryptid

# ? Dec 3, 2019 11:46

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/measure7x/status/1201503750860496896

# ? Dec 3, 2019 13:27

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

�Mossad does everything and every other spy agency is an arm of Mossad� is pretty much only the domain of antisemites, I don�t think it�s ever a legitimate accusation

it�s for people who already believe The Jews control everything trying to pinpoint exactly how the elders of Zion are moving the chess pieces and I wish people wouldn�t fall for it- it�s disingenuously also to get non antisemites rabid about Israel�s meddling in world affairs (even when they have nothing to do with it)

the United States doesn�t need help being evil and Israel is a forward operating base of the US, not the other way around

I just lol when I hear �Epstein was an intelligence asset, and therefore was Mossad, as only a perfidious Jew could be�

who is arguing this

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# ? Dec 3, 2019 13:47

gh0stpinballa: Mar 5, 2019

Helsing posted:

And as always it is plausible that to at least some degree Epstein actively inserted himself into this world and carved out a niche for himself. It certainly seems weird that his first job came from Donald Barr but that might be a coincidence. Or maybe Epstein was somehow recruited to be an asset by someone or other but it happened later in his career. Or maybe its some bizarre amalgam of those two explanations: maybe Epstein was recruited to do one specific thing but then branched out on his own. Perhaps he drifted back and forth between working for himself and other people. Perhaps this idea of 'working for' people doesn't even really make sense in this context because relationships aren't linear and power and influence starts to operate in very weird ways once you're this far removed from the public eye.

my own feeling, at the moment, is he wasn't formally a member of the CIA or mossad, i think he served as a useful fixer and reliable money washer for them, like you say an "off book" guy. i figure when he started pimping children in earnest and making more and more friends through his trafficking ring, the agencies brought him into the fold a little more to help protect the operation and make sure would-be participants were vetted and wouldn't snitch it out. maybe this is when they made the introduction between jeff and maxwell. it's a self-evidently mutually beneficial partnership. if they really have put marcinko into his spot since his death then it goes to show how successful an op it is.

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# ? Dec 3, 2019 13:57

Nothus: Feb 22, 2001; Buglord

Is Andrew being hung out to dry to take the heat off everyone else? It's not like the dude will ever end up in jail, have his hereditary wealth taken away, or get fired from being idle royalty.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 15:43

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

hobbesmaster posted:

You misunderstand - I'm saying the bar set by the anglosphere's intelligence agencies is so low that Mossad not spectacularly, publicly loving up shows they're miles above the CIA.

The CIA can't even put together a central american coup, let alone a south american one these days. Those were like intern projects in the 50s/60s.

i mean the cia extremely likely orchestrated a successful coup in bolivia literally just last month and had previously under the obama administration extremely likely successfully orchestrated a hard coup in honduras and soft coups in brazil and the ukraine

# ? Dec 3, 2019 15:56

Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

comedyblissoption posted:

i mean the cia extremely likely orchestrated a successful coup in bolivia literally just last month and had previously under the obama administration extremely likely successfully orchestrated a hard coup in honduras and soft coups in brazil and the ukraine

The neoliberal governments in South America (now being voted out or heavily opposed) also did not happen on their own, although this was CIA-adjacent activity. The CIA, however, has been careful to maintain the war in Colombia, especially following the ceasefire mandate in 2016 - the Colombian government has no reason to persist in slaying FARC members and ex-members yet hundreds have been killed between then and 2019. They've been carefully maintaining the cartels in neighboring Ecuador (now on the precipice of a civil war, also for neoliberal policies) and of course maintaining them in not-too-distant Mexico (AmLo will soon prove his neoliberal tendencies to their full extent, I think, but this is maybe little-to-do with CIA proper). In El Salvador no more work needs doing.

Elsewhere, Libya was also a CIA plot for an uninterrupted supply chain of jihadis across the northern Sahara. The US military is active throughout Africa - particularly Somalia, Kenya, Tunisia, and Niger - although the reasons are unclear to me at present (the US gov't's stated reason is, of course, fighting terrorism - more information on these operations is greatly welcomed, by PM so as to keep this thread mostly on topic). The CIA's regime change op in Sudan, for what it's worth, did totally flop (do you even remember the genocide narrative from earlier this years? Unlikely). CIA is currently busy trying to keep Ethiopia on the "right side" of the Yemeni genocide. In ME their Iranian regime change op is in full swing as they limp away from their total clusterfuck defeat in Syria (much of what's written about in the media today are face-saving tales of Turkish betrayal, "mournful", "regretful" betrayal of the Kurds, and yadda yadda, total nonsense).

SE Asia ops are much harder to track but I'd be stunned if the CIA had nothing to do whatsoever with the ascension of Duterte in the Philippines. Myanmar, Vietnam, and Cambodia, as ever, should be on your watch-list if you're seeking to track the CIA over there (Suu Kyi will be standing trial for her part in Rohingyan genocide next year). And let me just kick this can of worms over - Hong Kong.

The CIA incompetence hot takes really need to stop, Paper Tigers maybe but a powerful and oft-effective force nonetheless.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 16:28

eshock: Sep 2, 2004

Biggest hint for me that Epstein was connected to Mossad was Ehud Barak being all over the flight logs and visiting the NY townhouse well after Epstein's conviction. Either the Mossad had a finger in what was going on or Barak was a blackmail target, and I just don't think Epstein (or even the CIA) could get away with the latter if the Mossad weren't onboard.

# ? Dec 3, 2019 16:42

Harold Stassen: Jan 24, 2016

gh0stpinballa posted:

who is arguing this

nobody here but I feel compelled to warn others not to potentially be a useful idiot for neo nazis by unknowingly puppeting their dogwhistles

again, everyone here is probably too smart for that but any whiff of antisemitism is a great way to turn off the normies who would be better serviced by original taste crack ping

# ? Dec 3, 2019 18:14

The Saucer Hovers: May 16, 2005

SpaceGoku posted:

jeffrey epstein lurking in the back of every photo containing more than $1bn of net worth like an orb, or a cryptid

# ? Dec 3, 2019 20:30

Literalman: Jul 31, 2019

No one has posted this yet so...https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a30090554/crown-princess-mette-marit-jeffrey-epstein-regret-statement/
Also I personally think Trump had nothing to do with Episstien.

# ? Dec 4, 2019 03:23

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Perry Mason Jar posted:

The neoliberal governments in South America (now being voted out or heavily opposed) also did not happen on their own, although this was CIA-adjacent activity. The CIA, however, has been careful to maintain the war in Colombia, especially following the ceasefire mandate in 2016 - the Colombian government has no reason to persist in slaying FARC members and ex-members yet hundreds have been killed between then and 2019. They've been carefully maintaining the cartels in neighboring Ecuador (now on the precipice of a civil war, also for neoliberal policies) and of course maintaining them in not-too-distant Mexico (AmLo will soon prove his neoliberal tendencies to their full extent, I think, but this is maybe little-to-do with CIA proper). In El Salvador no more work needs doing.

Elsewhere, Libya was also a CIA plot for an uninterrupted supply chain of jihadis across the northern Sahara. The US military is active throughout Africa - particularly Somalia, Kenya, Tunisia, and Niger - although the reasons are unclear to me at present (the US gov't's stated reason is, of course, fighting terrorism - more information on these operations is greatly welcomed, by PM so as to keep this thread mostly on topic). The CIA's regime change op in Sudan, for what it's worth, did totally flop (do you even remember the genocide narrative from earlier this years? Unlikely). CIA is currently busy trying to keep Ethiopia on the "right side" of the Yemeni genocide. In ME their Iranian regime change op is in full swing as they limp away from their total clusterfuck defeat in Syria (much of what's written about in the media today are face-saving tales of Turkish betrayal, "mournful", "regretful" betrayal of the Kurds, and yadda yadda, total nonsense).

SE Asia ops are much harder to track but I'd be stunned if the CIA had nothing to do whatsoever with the ascension of Duterte in the Philippines. Myanmar, Vietnam, and Cambodia, as ever, should be on your watch-list if you're seeking to track the CIA over there (Suu Kyi will be standing trial for her part in Rohingyan genocide next year). And let me just kick this can of worms over - Hong Kong.

The CIA incompetence hot takes really need to stop, Paper Tigers maybe but a powerful and oft-effective force nonetheless.

at the risk of getting way to off topic for this thread, the uprising in Sudan seems more like a now failed attempt to stop the country from adopting more neoliberal reforms and increasing ties with the West and Gulf countries. Before the protests, Sudan was already loaning mercenaries to fight in Yemen and was on track to get sanctions removed. During the protests the head of the Janjaweed basically overthrew Omar al-Bashir and massacred the protesters. Now, months after the the protests have died down, the new Prime Minister is making a pilgrimage to DC and the Atlantic council has some helpful notes for him.

I'm not concrete on how to interpret all this, but I'm gonna say overall tentative win for the CIA

# ? Dec 4, 2019 03:42

A Real Hologram: Jun 22, 2018; Moo!

Literalman posted:

No one has posted this yet so...https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a30090554/crown-princess-mette-marit-jeffrey-epstein-regret-statement/
Also I personally think Trump had nothing to do with Episstien.

quote:

When the Crown Princess and the Crown Prince were on vacation in St. Barts in 2012, they ran into Mr. Epstein on the street. Crown Prince Haakon then met Epstein for the first and only time," Varpe said.

Seems legit. I know I bump into royalty all the time whilst in the streets, so this checks out.

# ? Dec 4, 2019 03:57

Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

Literalman posted:

No one has posted this yet so...https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a30090554/crown-princess-mette-marit-jeffrey-epstein-regret-statement/

oh no, actual favs :ohdear:

Delta-Wye has issued a correction as of 04:50 on Dec 4, 2019

# ? Dec 4, 2019 04:11

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

Literalman posted:

No one has posted this yet so...https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a30090554/crown-princess-mette-marit-jeffrey-epstein-regret-statement/
Also I personally think Trump had nothing to do with Episstien.

Lol he was raping kids with Epstein.

# ? Dec 4, 2019 04:22

Bip Roberts: Mar 29, 2005

eshock posted:

Biggest hint for me that Epstein was connected to Mossad was Ehud Barak being all over the flight logs and visiting the NY townhouse well after Epstein's conviction. Either the Mossad had a finger in what was going on or Barak was a blackmail target, and I just don't think Epstein (or even the CIA) could get away with the latter if the Mossad weren't onboard.

I mean the dude knew the best place in NYC to gently caress a child so there was that reason to visit.

# ? Dec 4, 2019 04:54

GWBBQ: Jan 2, 2005

Nothus posted:

Is Andrew being hung out to dry to take the heat off everyone else? It's not like the dude will ever end up in jail, have his hereditary wealth taken away, or get fired from being idle royalty.

They're literally taking the heat off of him. Due to his inability to sweat and global warming, he's unable to safely appear in public without a ridiculous British hat.

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Elsewhere, Libya was also a CIA plot for an uninterrupted supply chain of jihadis across the northern Sahara. The US military is active throughout Africa - particularly Somalia, Kenya, Tunisia, and Niger - although the reasons are unclear to me at present (the US gov't's stated reason is, of course, fighting terrorism - more information on these operations is greatly welcomed, by PM so as to keep this thread mostly on topic).

We currently have several hundred deployed troops in Nigeria to assist against Boko Haram, still have special forces in Uganada looking for Kony :lol:

and have regular troops and special forces across Niger and Chad.
The reasons are counterterrorism/counterinsurgency and watching trafficking corridors for people, illegal drugs, and illicit pharmaceuticals. If you want some good Africa coverage that I'll vouch for, look at writing by [url=https://globalinitiative.net/experts/peter-tinti/], I knew him from when we were about 8 years old until after high school when everyone lost contact pre-social-media and reconnected a few years later. He's a great reporter, good dude in general, and I trust what he writes to be true.

eshock posted:

Biggest hint for me that Epstein was connected to Mossad was Ehud Barak being all over the flight logs and visiting the NY townhouse well after Epstein's conviction. Either the Mossad had a finger in what was going on or Barak was a blackmail target, and I just don't think Epstein (or even the CIA) could get away with the latter if the Mossad weren't onboard.

It seems like Epstein was the CIA side of things and Maxwell was the Mossad asset, but not agent, based on family connections. The US and right-wing government of Israel are all but joined at the hip and sometimes we do their dirty work, sometimes they do ours, and sometimes we work together. US backing has always been a factor, and things like Operation Wrath Of God and other targeted assassinations show pretty clearly that if Mossad wants you dead, you're going to die. Epstein and Maxwell worked together, so lines are blurred there just like times in the past where operations were carried out by third or fourth parties to counter Soviet activities on the US side and keep existing for the Israeli side. Barak vs. Netanyahu? sure, our CIA blackmail guy will offer get the farthest right candidate in.

# ? Dec 4, 2019 05:27

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/danblackroyd/status/1201586208054423552

# ? Dec 4, 2019 12:24

Siljmonster: Dec 16, 2005; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Drake could also reveal all the Disney pedophiles.

He's been part of the cabal his first day.

# ? Dec 4, 2019 12:47

Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/danblackroyd/status/1201586208054423552

I've been loosely following blind items since they appeared in this thread and there's suggestions that not all underage girls touched/texted by Drake have revealed as much.

He also has a little known sexual assault case filed by Laquana Morris, aka Layla Lace.

Anyway I cancelled him back in January when this video of him groping a 17 year old onstage surfaced:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-p1feEHJZM

Quickly memory-holed and forgotten.

Found this while digging up Drake blinds:

And this I posted upthread:

# ? Dec 4, 2019 13:39

Suplex Liberace: Jan 18, 2012

We should just put all child's in a island safe from everyone

# ? Dec 4, 2019 13:55

Office Commando: Mar 23, 2005; The Invasion from Within

Suplex Liberace posted:

We should just put all child's in a island safe from everyone

i hear little st. james is available.

# ? Dec 4, 2019 16:05

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

https://twitter.com/aimeeterese/status/1202083862022672384?s=19

Cos suicides contagious
When you're worth many wages
So try to not see Clinton gently caress those kids.

# ? Dec 4, 2019 18:58

Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

holy poo poo

# ? Dec 4, 2019 19:01

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

gh0stpinballa posted:

my own feeling, at the moment, is he wasn't formally a member of the CIA or mossad, i think he served as a useful fixer and reliable money washer for them, like you say an "off book" guy. i figure when he started pimping children in earnest and making more and more friends through his trafficking ring, the agencies brought him into the fold a little more to help protect the operation and make sure would-be participants were vetted and wouldn't snitch it out. maybe this is when they made the introduction between jeff and maxwell. it's a self-evidently mutually beneficial partnership. if they really have put marcinko into his spot since his death then it goes to show how successful an op it is.

One interesting detail about the Manhattan mansion he acquired from Les Wexner is that it was supposedly already wired full of cameras, which some people have interpreted as evidence that Wexner was already somehow involved in some kind of honeypot scheme and that Epstein was chosen to inherit that role or to expand the operation.

# ? Dec 4, 2019 19:20

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

Literalman posted:

Also I personally think Trump had nothing to do with Episstien.

hell,

quote:

A prominent Epstein victim, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, says his ex-girlfriend and alleged "madam," Ghislaine Maxwell, recruited her into Epstein's sex trafficking operation when she worked as a locker room attendant at Mar-a-Lago in 1999, when she was 15.

# ? Dec 4, 2019 19:28

Gay Horney: Feb 10, 2013; by Reene

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I've been loosely following blind items since they appeared in this thread and there's suggestions that not all underage girls touched/texted by Drake have revealed as much.

He also has a little known sexual assault case filed by Laquana Morris, aka Layla Lace.

Anyway I cancelled him back in January when this video of him groping a 17 year old onstage surfaced:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-p1feEHJZM

Quickly memory-holed and forgotten.

Found this while digging up Drake blinds:

And this I posted upthread:

we should lock up drake and other fans of anime.

# ? Dec 4, 2019 19:34

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# ? Jun 8, 2024 08:20

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Helsing posted:

One interesting detail about the Manhattan mansion he acquired from Les Wexner is that it was supposedly already wired full of cameras, which some people have interpreted as evidence that Wexner was already somehow involved in some kind of honeypot scheme and that Epstein was chosen to inherit that role or to expand the operation.

we don't really need to multiply entities here, it's possible / fairly likely that he was chosen... by Wexner and the original scheme was Wexner's baby; Wexner was at least his first big investor and has significant and obvious ties to international modeling agencies, which, uh,

are not renowned for avoiding sex-trafficking-adjacent behavior

# ? Dec 4, 2019 19:50

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