Comrade Blyatlov posted:I mean given how crushingly poor a lot of the Pacific Islands are, I think there's a bit more to it than people just saying no, knowingly. It's due to antivaxx bullshit. edit: I understand where you're coming from, but the numbers don't stack up for poverty being a cause unless Samoa had a huge event in the last year I missed. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/30/there-are-no-words-samoa-buries-its-children-as-measles-outbreak-worsens NZ just had their worst measles outbreak in 20 years. Vaccination rates for measles in Fiji and American Samoa are comparatively higher. quote:The immunisation rates of babies have plummeted in recent years. Four years ago, roughly 85% of one-year-olds were vaccinated, in 2017 that dropped to 60%. quote:The government’s best efforts to fight the epidemic are being challenged by online influencers peddling alternative “cures”. Vitamins and kangen water – alkalised water made using a Japanese machine – are both touted as cures. I get that much of the island nations are incredibly poor but vaccines are particularly cheap and well distributed compared to other medicines. The fact that they enjoyed a suitable vaccination rate up until now is indicative of that. https://tayswaymovement.com.au/events/ quote:The ‘Making Informed Choices’ workshop has been created to foster transparency, arm us with groundbreaking information, liberate us from a fear-mongering culture and take back control of our family’s health. https://www.change.org/p/honourable...-disease-deaths https://www.abc.net.au/radio-australia/programs/pacificbeat/experts-warn-samoans-against-heeding-anti-vax-messages/11749012 Sounds like they stopped her from speaking in Samoa but she's got a big online following there and around the region. That Works fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Dec 3, 2019 |
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 13:29
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 17:43 |
|
|
A Bad Poster posted:Anti-vaxxers probably: "Dead kids don't get autism, so I don't see what the problem is!" https://twitter.com/Crazymothers1/s...ingawful.com%2F
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 13:50
|
|
|
Comrade Blyatlov posted:I mean given how crushingly poor a lot of the Pacific Islands are, I think there's a bit more to it than people just saying no, knowingly. It's like the anti-gay stuff in Africa, westerners come in under the guise of doing charitable work, often even do things to legitimately help people, then slip in an undercurrent of "gay people should be executed" or "vaccines give you autism". Well surely these rich, educated foreigners who have been nice so far know better and wouldn't spread disinformation to vulnerable populations, and that's how we end up here.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 13:58
|
|
|
They’ll target immigrant communities in the US, too. Minnesota’s measles outbreak of 2017 hit the Somali immigrant population harder than other groups because of the efforts of anti-vaxxers. https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/10/26/16552864/minnesotas-measles-outbreak-immigrants-anti-vaxxers Icon Of Sin fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Dec 3, 2019 |
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 14:01
|
|
|
I had to get the MMR shot last month because there was an outbreak nearby and my university emailed everybody either exemptions saying “hey it’s your choice but also you can’t come to campus if the outbreak spreads to here. We know most of you only have exemptions because you didn’t have time to find your records before registering (me)” Don’t have my childhood vaccination records and apparently at boot camp they don’t give you the full MMR, just Mumps/Rubella, and my blood tests were negative for measles antibodies. So either I never got the MMR as a kid and my mom never told me, or it didn’t take. So now I’m between the initial and booster of the MMR at the age of 31 so I don’t have to worry about being kept home from class.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 14:04
|
|
|
I’d love to send all of the anti-vax wine mommy bloggers, sorry, vaccine risk aware merlot mother activists, to places where children die from easily preventable illnesses and where parents would and have killed people for the chance to vaccinate their kids. And also bring back drawing and quartering just for Andrew Wakefield.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 14:06
|
|
|
pantslesswithwolves posted:I’d love to send all of the anti-vax wine mommy bloggers, sorry, vaccine risk aware merlot mother activists, to places where children die from easily preventable illnesses and where parents would and have killed people for the chance to vaccinate their kids. Take their loving kids away because it's no different from driving around shitfaced with them unbuckled in the back seat.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 14:07
|
|
|
Speaking of the study of material culture: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2019-12-02/tom-kiefer-exhibition-el-sueno-americano LA Times: Border Patrol threw away migrants’ belongings. A janitor saved and photographed them An artist working part time as a janitor at a border patrol den or nest or hive or whatever photographed migrants' belongings thrown in the trash. Bibles, rosaries, baby shoes and lots of cold pills. He has a background in graphic design and made cool art of it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 15:36
|
|
|
Have there been any documented links between those pushing anti-vax BS on communities of color and white supremacists? Would not be surprised at all if there were some crypto-Nazi fuckers exploiting the conspiracy theories to commit ethnic cleansing.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 16:33
|
|
|
I’m sure if you dug into the names of the people pushing anti-vax BS on the Somali population in Minnesota (from the link I posted earlier), you could probably draw a straight line to some real pieces of poo poo. I may take a crack at it later when I’m not at work, but I’m too cynical to think there wasn’t a link between the 2 there.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 16:37
|
|
Cugel the Clever posted:Have there been any documented links between those pushing anti-vax BS on communities of color and white supremacists? Would not be surprised at all if there were some crypto-Nazi fuckers exploiting the conspiracy theories to commit ethnic cleansing. Not quite but: https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vaxxers-are-cozying-up-to-the-far-right-online quote:Often, sometimes multiple times a day, users in an anti-vaccination Facebook group post a link to a 2017 article about vaccine laws in Sweden. https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-anti-vaxxer-disease-is-now-a-republican-epidemic quote:The anti-vaxxer disease is now a Republican epidemic.
|
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 16:41
|
|
|
I mean, Trump himself is a believer in the vaccines-autism bullshit, and he appointed an anti-vaxxer (lmao my phone tried to auto-correct that to “cancer”) to a “vaccine safety panel” an eternity ago (in 2017). https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...fety-panel.html
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 16:45
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/tabletmag/statu...ingawful.com%2F
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 17:05
|
|
Icon Of Sin posted:I’m sure if you dug into the names of the people pushing anti-vax BS on the Somali population in Minnesota (from the link I posted earlier), you could probably draw a straight line to some real pieces of poo poo. I may take a crack at it later when I’m not at work, but I’m too cynical to think there wasn’t a link between the 2 there. I've been digging a bit, mostly because today is a snow day and next semester I'm teaching my pseudoscience course again and we spend a few weeks on vaccines. I'm going to punch up the link between general conspiracy theories and transitioning into alt-right ideology this semester for the 1st time. Kelly Weill at Daily Beast digs a lot into this and I linked one of her articles on it in my last post. Anyways, looking into the Minnesota case they were backed by this group: https://canaryparty.org/about/ Largely run by a guy named Mark Blaxill, who writes a bunch of anti-vaxx books after one of his kids got autism. Previously he was some investment banker type. http://vaccinesafetycouncilminnesota.org/my-hanging-offense/ No real racist ties that I can see, but he did co-write a WSJ article in 1997 on making money off of the inner city: https://www.bcg.com/documents/file13301.pdf
|
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 17:23
|
|
|
I dream of swarms of cops kicking doors down across America so that doctors can forcefully administer vaccines to everyone in the country.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 17:30
|
|
|
Goth Ms Frizzle has you covered.  e: it isn’t at gunpoint, it’s at needlepoint 
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 17:34
|
|
Chichevache posted:I dream of swarms of cops kicking doors down across America so that doctors can forcefully administer vaccines to everyone in the country. Very few are pro-vaccination at gunpoint. Your point is absurd. But, I think that unvaccinated peoples who voluntarily exempt themselves and their children should be barred from public transit, public spaces, etc.
|
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 17:34
|
|
|
That Works posted:Very few are pro-vaccination at gunpoint. Your point is absurd. Behind the Bastards did an episode on the origins of the anti-vax wackjobs, and that's actually how it used to be done. So I guess history is absurd.  Icon Of Sin posted:Goth Ms Frizzle has you covered. I'm not a monarchist, so I wont call her a queen, but this sounds like the benevolent dictator who can take control and fix America. Our progressive Sulla if you will.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 17:38
|
|
|
That Works posted:Very few are pro-vaccination at gunpoint. Your point is absurd. Financial punishments work real good from what I've read. It doesn't stop the full bore anti-vaxx cultists that are 100% on board the conspiracy theory train, but when it starts to hit the pocket book lots and lots of wishy washy 'hmmmm, maybe?' fence sitters make up their minds real quick. Naturally because we live in Hellworld this means it can be used to target and abuse the already societally-abused, so it would have to have checks built in like "Nationalized, free vaccinations at mobile clinics we bring to you".
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 17:42
|
|
|
That Works posted:https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-anti-vaxxer-disease-is-now-a-republican-epidemic The shocking perpetrators of white genocide
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 17:44
|
|
Chichevache posted:I guess history is absurd. I won't argue with that. It's a dicey thing from a civil liberties perspective, ie "Do I trust our current government to implement and mandate a forced vaccination policy"? Hell no, because I don't trust that they wouldn't use it to do something else, or pawn off vaccine contracts to the lowest bidder and risk actual real vaccine complications. That said, just about everything up to the "mandatory at gunpoint" would be a good option from the standpoint of public health.
|
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 17:53
|
|
|
So when I found out Clint Eastwood was making a Richard Jewell movie I wondered if it was just some excuse for pro-Donnie demonizing of the FBI and media. Turns out that's exactly what it is. loving go away Clint.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 18:03
|
|
|
Casimir Radon posted:So when I found out Clint Eastwood was making a Richard Jewell movie I wondered if it was just some excuse for pro-Donnie demonizing of the FBI and media. Turns out that's exactly what it is. loving go away Clint. My dad trained Richard Jewell in explosives at the police academy. When it first came out that he was a suspect, I remember my dad screaming at the TV that he couldn't have done it because "that fat bastard is too loving stupid to have done it!"
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 18:21
|
|
|
Casimir Radon posted:So when I found out Clint Eastwood was making a Richard Jewell movie I wondered if it was just some excuse for pro-Donnie demonizing of the FBI and media. Turns out that's exactly what it is. loving go away Clint. It's a shame how much poo poo he sucks. I won't even be bothered when he finally kicks the bucket
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 18:38
|
|
|
Milo and POTUS posted:It's a shame how much poo poo he sucks. I won't even be bothered when he finally kicks the bucket
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 18:53
|
|
|
rip cop https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1201923942589616128?s=19
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 19:02
|
|
|
Clint Eastwood is a chud piece of poo poo and Kamala Harris is a cop piece of poo poo and if you put them together you’ve got a massive piece of poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 19:03
|
|
|
Casimir Radon posted:So when I found out Clint Eastwood was making a Richard Jewell movie I wondered if it was just some excuse for pro-Donnie demonizing of the FBI and media. Turns out that's exactly what it is. loving go away Clint. Aww man, I was looking forward to seeing that.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 19:25
|
|
|
Casimir Radon posted:Read up on how he treated Sandra Locke who he was with for 14 years. He convinced her to have a couple abortions and have her tubes tied because he said kids wouldn't work with their lifestyle. He had two kids via affairs during that time. He wouldn't allow her to work with anyone else. When they finally broke up she showed up at a house she thought he'd given her to find the locks changed and all her stuff stacked up out front. Then he blacklisted her so she couldn't work. Clint is an rear end in a top hat. It's no wonder cons love people like this and trump. It's pretty much how they want to be
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 19:28
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/shujaxhaider/status/1201927566753435649 https://twitter.com/joeperticone/status/1201928346034167813 Twitter is going to be extremely good today
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 19:44
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1201892491810738182?s=21 SCOTUS time? SCOTUS time.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 19:45
|
|
|
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/03/politics/kamala-harris-ends-presidential-bid/index.html
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 19:45
|
|
|
OFFICER DOWN
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 19:47
|
|
|
Riot Carol Danvers posted:My dad trained Richard Jewell in explosives at the police academy. When it first came out that he was a suspect, I remember my dad screaming at the TV that he couldn't have done it because "that fat bastard is too loving stupid to have done it!" Hahhahah that owns
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 19:48
|
|
|
Solid poo poo here, condensed in a form to make it nice and clippable. https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1201937748728467460?s=19 https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1201938525266026497?s=19
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 19:56
|
|
|
2nd Court of Appeals refusing to block subpoenas of Anger Mango's financial records.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 20:11
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/laurenduca/status/1201930900445057024 I mean she's not wrong about white supremacy being a problem on both sides...but using Harris's failed campaign as proof of that is pretty weak.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 20:15
|
|
|
colachute posted:https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1201892491810738182?s=21 in a 5-4 decision...
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 20:23
|
|
|
Harris dropping out is 100% about her being a bootlicking piece of poo poo who I still will continue to try and vote out of this state in vain. It's not about race.
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 20:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 17:43 |
|
|
Cugel the Clever posted:Have there been any documented links between those pushing anti-vax BS on communities of color and white supremacists? Would not be surprised at all if there were some crypto-Nazi fuckers exploiting the conspiracy theories to commit ethnic cleansing. Anti-vax BS is a major thrust of online Russian propaganda targeting the same population, so of course you get massive overlap. (It makes sense: cause massive and expensive public health crisis in target country, reap benefits of political discord. In Putin's Russia, vaccine anti-you!)
|
|
#
?
Dec 3, 2019 20:29
|
|
