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Archaeology Hat posted:How does that work, just personally I in no way have the same positions I had when I was 21.  but I've heard it bandied about a lot.I guess the rationale is your political views are formed when they're challenged at university or going into the workplace, and then fix themselves absent any upheaval. Which I guess makes sense if you're isolated from any upheaval like market crashes and ill health and changing friend groups, and never go looking for new things that challenge your preconceptions. You'd also have to have a degree of intellectual incuriosity about any new science or social movements. It's some kind of turbo end-of-history idea I guess. Or assumes that you'll filter any new things you see through your now fixed ideas without those ideas themselves changing.
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A welcoming community willing to support your social and emotional needs, maybe even offering practical help in your life, and slowly introducing their beliefs all the while is an effective way to get people in on religion. The far right runs football clubs. Churches will have cafés and will do community work such as running childcare sessions to replace the surestart that recently closed. No one goes "hmm better go shopping for new political beliefs, mine are getting old" but we all have needs including belonging, and that's the back door to inject worldviews into
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I mean I think a lot of people do have a semi-deliberate incuriosity because they're more concerned with immediate things. You don't need to actually understand the world, you just need to believe you understand the world enough to assuage the nagging feeling that you don't, and it's easier to glom on increasingly nonsensical ideas to your existing beliefs than it is to rip them out at the root and reform them, especially when you have plenty of media available which exists to build a worldview around any malicious prejudices you might have. I don't think things actually need to make sense, I think they just need to be sense-shaped enough that you can practice believing them. And once you get used to believing them, that belief wears a groove into your brain and it becomes much easier to expand the groove then dig a new, radically different one. I think this is also why the right traffics in things which are fundamentally incompatible with the left, like racism and hyperindividualism, because those issues serve as the strongest ties to their way of thinking, you have to let go of them to buy into the left world view, while economics might be an easier thing to transmute. It helps make the left look wholly different and external from the thinking patterns you hold right now. Azza Bamboo posted:A welcoming community willing to support your social and emotional needs, maybe even offering practical help in your life, and slowly introducing their beliefs all the while is an effective way to get people in on religion. This too which is why I wish the left had more efforts to reach people other than banging on their doors during the election. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Dec 4, 2019 |
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Archaeology Hat posted:How does that work, just personally I in no way have the same positions I had when I was 21. At 21 I was a liberal who felt there was a place for free market solutions anywhere in society, now I want to nationalise everything we can and turn everything else into workers co-ops. I’m 31 now and basically all of my political development has taken place in the last half of the last decade. Jesus Christ was I a dipshit at 21.
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Guavanaut posted:
It's total BS. Neuroplasticity means your whole personality can flip to something different in the course of a few years, so why would politics be exempt from that? At 16 I was a moron who thought Con/Lib was the best possible government because it would help the economy; then I joined the Greens because they were the only party talking about the important stuff; then had a weird period at uni where I experimented with individualist anarchism, green politics, and even a bit of fascism (the 'might is right' social darwinist and Romantic sides, not the racist BS, and this was mostly just reading), then settled into being an uncertain democratic socialist who doesn't know if the authcoms have a point. The only thing I've never revisited is liberalism. If in less than a decade I can go through most places on the political spectrum, the only thing stopping people from doing the same is a lack of curiosity.
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Nothing says "I am a good person" like an endorsement from the concentration camp commandants.
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Azza Bamboo posted:The far right runs football clubs The far right are hugely ingrained in football but it's also worth noting that Football Lads and Lasses Against Fascism is a really good counter-organisation that has decent support and is working hard to push the fash out of the stands.
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At 21 I was a pacifist, now I budget for buying a guillotine in an emergency.
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Tesseraction posted:At 21 I was a pacifist, now I budget for buying a guillotine in an emergency. Those aren't strictly exclusive.
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A sudden surge in support for raising the voting age to 30.
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OwlFancier posted:Those aren't strictly exclusive. That's why it's easy to budget. I never said I spend a lot of effort on it.
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Also to expand on my post back there: if you weren't factsed and logicked into your political positions, there's a good chance that whatever it is that binds you to those positions (probably that community) can't be factsed and logicked out of you. For a long time now I've seen some really well intentioned but foolhardy internet warriors try to construct the perfect argument to convert people to their cause only to be completely flummoxed when it gets nowhere in practice. It's because the things that bind people to causes aren't necessarily in the bounds of formal logic.
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Purple Prince posted:If in less than a decade I can go through most places on the political spectrum, the only thing stopping people from doing the same is a lack of curiosity. Which I guess might be more end of history BS, but there is a status quo bias in society encouraging people not to be curious about whether better worlds are possible (or even more basic things like "is this thing I'm being sold a pack of lies?") OwlFancier posted:Those aren't strictly exclusive.
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I think curiosity is kind of a luxury tbh, it's a lot harder to be curious about poo poo when you're knackered and working all the time.
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OwlFancier posted:I think curiosity is kind of a luxury tbh, it's a lot harder to be curious about poo poo when you're knackered and working all the time. Yeah my political theory reading has really slipped since they forced me to get a job
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Also just generally? Like thinking is work, thinking about politics particularly can be emotionally as well as intellectually taxing. And we live in a society that demands all of those resources from us in exchange for subsistence and encourages us not to engage them for leisure but to consume things unthinkingly instead.
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lmao some Extinction Rebellion protester has glued himself to the front of the lib dem electric bus. Just galaxy brain moves as always
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CyberPingu posted:Something something piss endorsement something Piss cape is real
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Doccykins posted:lmao some Extinction Rebellion protester has glued himself to the front of the lib dem electric bus. Just galaxy brain moves as always If this bus falls under 50 miles per hour th-- *explodes*
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HJB posted:A sudden surge in support for raising the voting age to 30. Also no women (or at least older than waspi)
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Jose posted:would love a massive expansion of temperate rainforest so i could go visit Please reforest Britain. Please. It would help so much.
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Is that why they burn the moors in yorkshire then? I wasn't sure if it'd take trees up there cos it's very rocky, you can see it on the ascent, the old stone worn out by the rivers and glaciers to make the tees valley. I know they burn them in patches but I thought it was cos otherwise it all loving goes up at once whenever there's a fire.
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OwlFancier posted:Also just generally? Like thinking is work, thinking about politics particularly can be emotionally as well as intellectually taxing. And we live in a society that demands all of those resources from us in exchange for subsistence and encourages us not to engage them for leisure but to consume things unthinkingly instead. Free time is a luxury that can be purchased, but unfortunately you need to either have loads of money or a good income and a flexible employer, both of which are not exactly easy things to come by. Until we have a society where free time is valued for activities other than consumption or making a profit general in curiosity is going to be the rule - which is why the 4 day week idea is a good one. Ask me about my multi year struggle to take control over my life (long story short: leave the Anglosphere).
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OwlFancier posted:Also just generally? Like thinking is work, thinking about politics particularly can be emotionally as well as intellectually taxing. And we live in a society that demands all of those resources from us in exchange for subsistence and encourages us not to engage them for leisure but to consume things unthinkingly instead. Which doesn't mean you end up at the right one, you could just as easily end up at "I have to work all day because Jews own the moon" as anything productive, but incuriosity about the nature of those sorts of things more often comes from a place of being 'comfortable enough'.
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Doccykins posted:lmao some Extinction Rebellion protester has glued himself to the front of the lib dem electric bus. Just galaxy brain moves as always Someone's spray-painted all over my local bus stop with ER symbols and the slogan 'eco not ego', which feels very confused messaging, public transport is bad now I guess?
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I'd assume that this was a CIA psyop to make XR look really dumb if I didn't already know XR actually is really dumb Nice piece of fish posted:Please reforest Britain. Please. It would help so much. Very here for turning Wales into an untamed rainforest
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OwlFancier posted:Is that why they burn the moors in yorkshire then? I wasn't sure if it'd take trees up there cos it's very rocky, you can see it on the ascent, the old stone worn out by the rivers and glaciers to make the tees valley. Trees don't especially mind growing on rocks. Some trees, anyway. Puzzlewood in the Forest of Dean is an amazing example.
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Guavanaut posted:As you've said before though, you can generally tell when something isn't right, and if you think something isn't right then you look for solutions. I think that there's a conflict, because at the bottom end you're sold ideas like "the problem is immigrants and labour loves immigrants", and then as you get higher up you're sold things like "labour is coming for your house" and then further up still you get "labour is coming for your income tax" and eventually you get to the point where you're actually better off under a tory government, or where the culture war poo poo you've been fed lower down is actually all that really matters in your life because the tories will never touch your pension. The people who can most sense something is wrong are the people who are most aggressively sold the simple, wrong excuses by the media, and as you get further up there are other explantions that intersect with those ideas.
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CottonWolf posted:Obviously the Lib Dems hate squirrels. Do they hate bees too? More that they hate B's
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Just re-reading The Extremely Online Election bits and I still love the opener to this onequote:Now to the regular part of the column, GAPESWATCH, where we see who has managed to trick Mike Gapes with the digital equivalent of a penny glued to the pavement in the last two to four days. Presuming it doesn’t happen again in the brief window between me filing this column and it going live, the medal this week goes to Mr Richard Miller, a Twitter spoof data journalist who has been claiming incessantly that he is Mike Gapes’ spokesperson, or at least was until he lost Mike Gapes’ shoes. Using such sophisticated, CCHQian tactics as “having a different profile picture to your actual face”, Miller managed to get the attention of Gapes this week (and, inexplicably, Michael Crick???), who tweeted: “I’ve now reported this latest tweet to Twitter. I have also made sure that the Police and Electoral authorities are aware so they can take robust action against this interference in the electoral process by this person calling himself @MrRichardMiller”. How many more emails will the electoral authorities get from Mike Gapes this year about his lost shoes? Impossible to tell, at this juncture. Early polling suggests: about one for every squirrel Jo Swinson is alleged to have killed.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I think a lot of people do have a semi-deliberate incuriosity because they're more concerned with immediate things. You don't need to actually understand the world, you just need to believe you understand the world enough to assuage the nagging feeling that you don't, and it's easier to glom on increasingly nonsensical ideas to your existing beliefs than it is to rip them out at the root and reform them, especially when you have plenty of media available which exists to build a worldview around any malicious prejudices you might have. Purple Prince posted:It's total BS. Neuroplasticity means your whole personality can flip to something different in the course of a few years, so why would politics be exempt from that? You can theoretically just flip your personality the same way you can just start eating healthy and going to the gym every day, but you won't because it's almost impossible to break a habit through sheer force of will.
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OwlFancier posted:https://twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1202098636169109504 Yeah, that vid has definitely gone viral. I've seen it on reddit and twitter, being posted outside the context of 'UK election'
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