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Hope to hear Russian officials mention that even on Western political forums Brown Moses is regarded as a conspiracy theorist.
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Nitrox posted:Strange to see BM on probation The UKMT hive-mind is making GBS threads itself over the prospect of Labour losing the election and collectively decided he's a Tory and probed him for daring to say he was "about to vote Labour". He meant "I'm about to send in my postal ballot for Labour" but they decided he meant "I was going to vote Labour but you were mean to me so now I won't".
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not that it's a new phenomenon, but am i alone in finding the growing usage of the sickle and hammer offputting?
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Rinkles posted:not that it's a new phenomenon, but am i alone in finding the growing usage of the sickle and hammer offputting? anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Dec 3, 2019 17:56
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Rinkles posted:not that it's a new phenomenon, but am i alone in finding the growing usage of the sickle and hammer offputting? Yeah, it's time to give the "hoe and Kalashnikov" a proper go.
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Dec 3, 2019 18:04
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I was mostly talking about SAsteinrokkan posted:Yeah, it's time to give the "hoe and Kalashnikov" a proper go. I can never quite tell when you're being serious
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Dec 3, 2019 18:09
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Probably different cultural connotations of the symbol across different countries, then. As I said, post-communist states will associate it with oppression, in the West I can see it being interpreted as anti-capitalism.
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Dec 3, 2019 18:23
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anilEhilated posted:Probably different cultural connotations of the symbol across different countries, then. As I said, post-communist states will associate it with oppression, in the West I can see it being interpreted as anti-capitalism. Not sure how you get to divorce it from the oppression.
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Dec 3, 2019 18:28
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Rinkles posted:Not sure how you get to divorce it from the oppression. If things sucked less for you then than they suck now? Pretty easy. Plus it's the symbol on the flag raised over Bundestag in 1945. Kind of hard to divorce the fact that Soviet people won WWII from Soviet symbols.
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Dec 3, 2019 18:37
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Paladinus posted:Plus it's the symbol on the flag raised over Bundestag in 1945. Kind of hard to divorce the fact that Soviet people won WWII from Soviet symbols. Buddy, the Allies won WWII with help from AK. Soviets... pfft It's not that hard to divorce facts from fiction about WWII when you are from Poland. Case in point: a guy I used to work with kept saying that Germans respected Polish soldiers because they found it hard to fight on the Eastern front (i.e. against Poland).
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Dec 3, 2019 18:44
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Paladinus posted:If things sucked less for you then than they suck now? Pretty easy.
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Rinkles posted:not that it's a new phenomenon, but am i alone in finding the growing usage of the sickle and hammer offputting? i dunno, i like them personally, they're cool and good and should get used more Rust Martialis posted:The UKMT hive-mind is making GBS threads itself over the prospect of Labour losing the election and collectively decided he's a Tory and probed him for daring to say he was "about to vote Labour". He meant "I'm about to send in my postal ballot for Labour" but they decided he meant "I was going to vote Labour but you were mean to me so now I won't". 
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Dec 3, 2019 18:59
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Rinkles posted:Not sure how you get to divorce it from the oppression.
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Dec 3, 2019 19:06
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Rust Martialis posted:The UKMT hive-mind is making GBS threads itself over the prospect of Labour losing the election and collectively decided he's a Tory and probed him for daring to say he was "about to vote Labour". He meant "I'm about to send in my postal ballot for Labour" but they decided he meant "I was going to vote Labour but you were mean to me so now I won't". That's one way of describing his tirade of "just saying" that Jeremy Corbyn is a Russian spy, and then going for the famous "I was about to vote with you guys, but not any more, because you are mean to me" move from the Respectable Centrist's playbook.
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Dec 3, 2019 19:21
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Rinkles posted:I'm talking mostly about it's use by non-EE goons. A typical goon doesn't need to divorce it from anything, because neither them or their relatives experienced the oppression under this symbol.
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Dec 3, 2019 19:22
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Truga posted:i dunno, i like them personally, they're cool and good and should get used more
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Dec 3, 2019 19:41
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Paladinus posted:If things sucked less for you then than they suck now? Pretty easy. Also the symbol carried by the army that invaded and occupied eastern Poland on September 17th. And for a lot of people here divorcing Soviet symbols from the fact that the Soviets helped kick the whole thing off, and not on the right side, either, is even harder.
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steinrokkan posted:That's one way of describing his tirade of "just saying" that Jeremy Corbyn is a Russian spy, and then going for the famous "I was about to vote with you guys, but not any more, because you are mean to me" move from the Respectable Centrist's playbook. Except he didn't say the latter bit, is the problem. Scroll up to his last post in *this* thread.... He got probed for not voting Labour right after voting Labour by postal vote. He literally *was* "about to vote Labour". Pointed this out to LK but his response was it would take too long to find an admin to reverse the probe... Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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Dec 3, 2019 21:15
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Paladinus posted:If things sucked less for you then than they suck now? Pretty easy. Bundestag is the Parliament of the Federal Republic of Germany since 1949. It convenes since 1999 in the building called Reichstag in Berlin, which was built in the 1890s and housed the Parliament of the Kaiserreich as well as that of the Weimar Republic until early 1933. Then it was burned down in a Nazi false flag operation. The Reichstag was not used for its original purpose during the Third Reich, but rather served as a gallery for racist and megalomaniac exhibitions, until it was bricked up to function as a bunker and hospital during the war. Also, anecdotally, as a young, firebrand Western socialist I discussed the real-existing socialism quite a few times with CEE colleagues, friends and in-laws and while most regretted the loss of community and mutual help they remembered from communist times, none of them had any desire to go back to it. Not even the ones that had been relatively well off due to party connections in the family. And none had a good word to say about the Russians.
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Rinkles posted:not that it's a new phenomenon, but am i alone in finding the growing usage of the sickle and hammer offputting? It goes well with ironical use of guillotine emoji to say that rich should be killed. (Next post someone will quote "rich should be killed" with "this but unironically")
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goethe42 posted:Bundestag is the Parliament of the Federal Republic of Germany since 1949. It convenes since 1999 in the building called Reichstag in Berlin, which was built in the 1890s and housed the Parliament of the Kaiserreich as well as that of the Weimar Republic until early 1933. Then it was burned down in a Nazi false flag operation. The Reichstag was not used for its original purpose during the Third Reich, but rather served as a gallery for racist and megalomaniac exhibitions, until it was bricked up to function as a bunker and hospital during the war. A weird brainfart on my part, sorry.
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Doctor Malaver posted:It goes well with ironical use of the guillotine emoji to say that the rich should be killed. This, but quite seriously.
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Doctor Malaver posted:It goes well with ironical use of guillotine emoji to say that rich should be killed. lol who the hell is doing that ironically
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Aumanor posted:Also the symbol carried by the army that invaded and occupied eastern Poland on September 17th. And for a lot of people here divorcing Soviet symbols from the fact that the Soviets helped kick the whole thing off, and not on the right side, either, is even harder. Hey the Poles invaded first. ... 20 years prior.
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Rust Martialis posted:The UKMT hive-mind is making GBS threads itself over the prospect of Labour losing the election and collectively decided he's a Tory and probed him for daring to say he was "about to vote Labour". He meant "I'm about to send in my postal ballot for Labour" but they decided he meant "I was going to vote Labour but you were mean to me so now I won't". lmao
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Rust Martialis posted:The UKMT hive-mind is making GBS threads itself over the prospect of Labour losing the election and collectively decided he's a Tory and probed him for daring to say he was "about to vote Labour". He meant "I'm about to send in my postal ballot for Labour" but they decided he meant "I was going to vote Labour but you were mean to me so now I won't". LOL rust doesn't like the UKMT because we make fun of him dropping into Latin all the time to try and own people
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goethe42 posted:Also, anecdotally, as a young, firebrand Western socialist I discussed the real-existing socialism quite a few times with CEE colleagues, friends and in-laws and while most regretted the loss of community and mutual help they remembered from communist times, none of them had any desire to go back to it. Not even the ones that had been relatively well off due to party connections in the family. And none had a good word to say about the Russians.
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Dwesa posted:Your collegues and friends are probably from a luckier CEE country. There is plenty of people nostalgic about communist rule in my country, although to be more specific, they're more nostalgic about times when state was able to provide them with stable jobs, housing etc. and most of them would exchange their freedom for whatever form of government that could provide them these things, it doesn't matter whether it would be communism or fascism. And there are also many pro-Russian people with anti-liberal anti-democratic stances brainwashed by Russian propaganda.
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Communist Thoughts posted:LOL rust doesn't like the UKMT because we make fun of him dropping into Latin all the time to try and own people I quoted the TV show "Yes, Prime Minister" and some idiot yelled at me for using nasty foreign words. This, however, is not the UKMT; since the explanation of BM's probe is done, let's move on. Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Dec 4, 2019 |
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Dec 4, 2019 15:13
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Bring back Pissflaps because we need something to keep the UKMT people contained in the UKMT thread instead of leaking all over Eastern Europe. Brexit means Brexit, no more Polish plumbers for you, etc.
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Rinkles posted:not that it's a new phenomenon, but am i alone in finding the growing usage of the sickle and hammer offputting? It's a good & striking symbol. It's easy to draw even for people with less than no artistic talent such as myself. Personally I've not really attachment to it but it is far more widely recognised than the black & red ancom flag for example. Plus it's just more BANG than a flag with 1 or 2 colours on it. What's the alternatives? There's either a red or gold star, or the variants on the hammer & sickle with an AK47 or cogwheels or whatever but there's really not much left-wing iconography that hasn't been used by some sort of democratic centralist Leninist/Bolshevik influenced state. Are you uncomfortable with the iconography or with the fact that as neoliberalism has failed millions the left is on the rise in several parts of the west, especially among a youth who either don't remember the fall of communism or only barely remember it?
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CEE countries typically associate it with the USSR and its crimes.
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forkboy84 posted:It's a good & striking symbol. It's easy to draw even for people with less than no artistic talent such as myself. Personally I've not really attachment to it but it is far more widely recognised than the black & red ancom flag for example. Plus it's just more BANG than a flag with 1 or 2 colours on it. What's the alternatives? There's either a red or gold star, or the variants on the hammer & sickle with an AK47 or cogwheels or whatever but there's really not much left-wing iconography that hasn't been used by some sort of democratic centralist Leninist/Bolshevik influenced state. Are you uncomfortable with the iconography or with the fact that as neoliberalism has failed millions the left is on the rise in several parts of the west, especially among a youth who either don't remember the fall of communism or only barely remember it? The USSR pretty much poisoned the well for progressive leftist movements here, people are much more likely to associate the iconography with oppression instead of solidarity.
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forkboy84 posted:It's a good & striking symbol. It's easy to draw even for people with less than no artistic talent such as myself. Personally I've not really attachment to it but it is far more widely recognised than the black & red ancom flag for example. Plus it's just more BANG than a flag with 1 or 2 colours on it. What's the alternatives? There's either a red or gold star, or the variants on the hammer & sickle with an AK47 or cogwheels or whatever but there's really not much left-wing iconography that hasn't been used by some sort of democratic centralist Leninist/Bolshevik influenced state. Are you uncomfortable with the iconography or with the fact that as neoliberalism has failed millions the left is on the rise in several parts of the west, especially among a youth who either don't remember the fall of communism or only barely remember it? I'm from Finland and while we were building our socdem welfare state the Soviet Union was the menace next door that we had to appease at every turn just to make sure they never got mad enough to invade.
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Elukka posted:It's inextricably Soviet, and the Soviet Union is not exactly a prime model of leftism. Certainly not what I as a leftist want to achieve. But does that say anything about state socialism or simply that Finland was in a tricky geopolitical situation with the country next door? Also, is Russia part of Eastern Europe or not?
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Dec 4, 2019 23:09
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Ardennes posted:Also, is Russia part of Eastern Europe or not? Parts of Russia are in Eastern Europe.
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Mokotow posted:Parts of Russia are in Eastern Europe. If that includes Russia west of the Ural then the discussion is obviously much broader since that is nearly another 100 million people in the mix, and in both non-Soviet and Soviet areas of Eastern Europe... opinions of the hammer and sickle seems to boil down to an individual's national origin and personal politics. (You probably could find a similar opinion about the US flag (for example) in Latin America in terms of mixed opinion.) Admittedly, it makes sense it will be tied to regional history and the hammer and sickle is part of the identity of other third-party state socialist parties that didn't really have any involvement (the CCP being the prime example). Ardennes fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Dec 4, 2019 |
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Dec 4, 2019 23:47
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It's almost like western leftists would be better off to invent new icons for themeslves instead of reusing old ones from oppressive regimes. Boggles the mind, doesn't it?
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Ardennes posted:
Я европеец, когда общаюсь с европейскими женщинами, русский, когда общаюсь с бобби.
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