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Tesseraction posted:Honestly if Labour don't win next week (or get a decent enough number in a hung parliament) then I'll probably just give up on socialism being achieved in the UK democratically. I'm outta the UK early next year, which I feel very privileged to be able to do. If Labour lose I'm not coming back unless something forces my hand. E: In 1962 the Great Leap For ward's war against bedbugs and other pests was called off due to unforseen ecological impacts, including plagues of locusts. Purple Prince fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Dec 5, 2019 |
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Ah yes that surge from 5% to 15% for 'other', a.k.a the Ceremy Jorbyn party. Alt: #cuktigFightback Listened to the Novara media thing yesterday and it made a very important point - for the first time in 40 years we have an actual lefty movement in the UK. We have built the institutions, Momentum, the new media infrastructure. We are not going away, however desperately the mainstream media grasp for politics 'going back to normal' after the horrors of Jeremy Corbyn are defeated. Also dear God that is another suspiciously timed anti-semitism splash all the papers are running with. One week before the election: We have submitted written evidence to the EHRC 
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Barry Foster posted:Yeah! It'll be next week, possibly Tuesday afternoon/evening and maybe Wednesday day time Will you be doing the momentum sessions or do you have a set seat in mind? I'm highly mobile and going out pretty randomly right now. Wednesday is going to be targetted leaflet drops (at least in kingswood) to remind our core support to get out on Thurs.
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Jose posted:if labour get a majority i hope the first budget after its settled down includes increasing corporation tax much higher than the 26^% in the manifesto A place I worked for had a structure where goods would be physically sold to another part of the same company abroad (e.g. USA), but would first be sold on paper to an Irish company. This entity would add a percentage to the price of the goods before selling it onto the destination, ensuring all profits were earned in the place with the lowest tax rate. It was primarily used to dodge corp tax on their USA locations, but since the structure was available the business owners used it for the UK too. Once the Tories reduced UK corp tax to the low 20's, the owners decided it was no longer worth the overhead to use this approach and just paid the UK rate. Unless a Labour government closes off loopholes like this (which will be tricky, as there are some legit use cases for this structure), then significantly increasing corp tax is just creating a larger incentive for medium-large organisations to setup convoluted tax-dodging structures and pay less than they do currently.
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I think things are looking mildly positive for getting rid of Boris, gap is around 10%, if you assume that the polls are overestimating the tories by a few points, which seems reasonable, then we are in hung parliament territory. I think a Labour or Tory minority government are much more likely than a crush the saboteurs tory majority that would allow maximum hard brexit insanity. Also I'm hoping Trump is still upset about Boris being in the group making fun of him and will be baited by a journalist into saying something unhelpful to the tory campaign.
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namesake posted:Will you be doing the momentum sessions or do you have a set seat in mind? I'm highly mobile and going out pretty randomly right now. Tbh I've not thought that far ahead. We canvassed with Labour in Exeter but it was pretty bloodless and liberal, so we're going Momentum in Plymouth this weekend. So maybe Momentum? In any case I think I'll head for Bristol North West, since that's a marginal. Although I'm yet to do close research on the city as a whole
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Oh god so much happened yesterday and I posted so many  and I still couldn't keep up with everything!Re: voicechat, I have met so, so many people who have expressed embarrassment about the way they speak or how their voice sounds. Women have told me that they think they sound like a child; men have told me that they don't think their voice is masculine enough. In every case, I thought their voices sounded perfectly fine. I could see how they had reached their conclusions, based on quirks of their voices that they were hyperfocusing on and endless exposure to media with voices that fit some arbitrary definition of perfection, but it was very obviously a question of low self esteem, probably exacerbated by digs about the quirks of their voices. One guy told me he thought his voice was weird and high-pitched. My response was that I thought he sounded friendly in speech, and that his singing voice was deep and rich if faltering due to a lack of confidence. I told him he had a vocal talent that he should develop, and that the first step towards being good at singing is being bad at it. I meant it all. The woman I have in mind who told me she thought she sounded like a child had a beautiful voice, in my opinion. It was soft and lyrical and comforting, and I told her so. I also have many friends who are softly spoken and/or stumble over their words. For several, it's due to autism and they are very shy about it. I make sure to let them speak and to listen to them, and reassure them about it if they become embarrassed. They have important things to say too, and I will not override that just because I am a more gifted speaker. gently caress that poo poo. I've also had conversations with several Twitch streamers who have expressed insecurity about their voices. My response was always "Dude WTF? You sound perfectly fine to me  ", though phrased more gently. But I can absolutely understand where that self-doubt could come from. An ordinary gamer starts broadcasting to a bunch of strangers who they can't see or hear. The only feedback is the text chat, and there's not much of that if you're a small streamer. I can totally understand performance anxiety in that situation. Twitch loving sucks for the mental health of its streamers, not least because it offers a revenue stream that many discover they can't actually rely on unless they get really lucky.There's also a strong element of classism in this. There is a ranking of accents and dialects, and gently caress you if you were born in the wrong place or to the wrong family. It elevates the ruling classes and fucks over everyone else. It is not acceptable. Voices don't matter. Accents don't matter. It's all part of the rich variety of life Speaking as a semi-posh sounding English person, here is one of my favourite poems: Merle Collins posted:‘No dialects please ...’ gently caress the RP hegemony. Let's hear from the downtrodden.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:We will be well on the way to, if not already at, full fascism by that point. We're giving the people the choice between socialism and barbarism and they're loving hurling themselves at barbarism because otherwise they might have to pay a little bit more tax. Some of the people are. But huge numbers of people are choosing socialism, and those numbers are only growing higher. We've broken the cycle. The cunts are panicking because their edifice of lies and manipulation is falling apart. We are going to win this 
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Braggart posted:Some of the people are. But huge numbers of people are choosing socialism, and those numbers are only growing higher. We've broken the cycle. The cunts are panicking because their edifice of lies and manipulation is falling apart. We are going to win this I still have the fear. What I don't have that I did in 2017 is the despair. I now think we can turn things around in some way even if we lose this one which I just didn't back then.
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Archaeology Hat posted:I still have the fear. You are correct. If we lose the election it's not the end. We will hit back even harder next time, and at this point we cannot be silenced, nor can we be stopped. But we are going to win.
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It’s worth remembering that the SNP also get like 40+ MPs with 4% of the national vote (lol) which is a huge variable
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Barry Foster posted:Tbh I've not thought that far ahead. We canvassed with Labour in Exeter but it was pretty bloodless and liberal, so we're going Momentum in Plymouth this weekend. So maybe Momentum? You've got your choice of marginals around Bristol - NW, filton and Bradley stoke or kingswood. We're defending NW but kingswood is a bellweather seat and we sort of need FaBS if we're going to show/have shown we've got a convincing plan for the future (lots of richer people who often work at the MoD or Boeing so the harder groups to convince).
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In 2017 I was so worried and hopeless back then. This time it is just full of hope with a little tempered worry. This is not the end by a long shot. We made it tough for them all these years and if it does not go the way we want then I do not think we will stop making it tough. Changes like this are not immediate but slow and deliberate and if you have seen the state of things in 2015 compared to where we are now, we have been shifting public consciousness continually. Not just us, but the socialist movements growing everywhere. People on the whole have had enough and they are making this known. We have to keep fighting no matter how tough it gets. Nothing worth having comes easy, as the old saying goes, and this is worth having and it will be so tough to get it, but we are on the path for it. It is going to happen.
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I think honestly what we're seeing is an escalation and polarization of politics. Labour in my constituency won more votes than it did in 2015, by a wide margin, but we still lost the seat because the conservatives won more too. They and the media are putting much more effort into opposing us than they have previously and the net effect is more people are voting and have more extreme opinions. Which is all due to labour's success in putting up a credible threat. We're making them marshal their efforts more. It isn't an indictment of labour that it makes the right fear us to the point they're willing to throw everything at us to stop us. Especially as they're burning their resources to do so, the BBC has ruined its trust with a huge chunk of people this election. The labour right have burned themselves out and consigned themselves to irrelevance. They can't keep it up forever, I just hope we can stop it now rather than having to wait longer.
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Braggart posted:gently caress the RP hegemony. Let's hear from the downtrodden. The funny thing is almost nobody speaks RP and English is not even a standardised language, so RP being held up as some sort of standard is pure class warfare.
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Purple Prince posted:The funny thing is almost nobody speaks RP and English is not even a standardised language, so RP being held up as some sort of standard is pure class warfare. Consider that a shorthand for "gently caress the hegemony of the selected 'best accents', such as American Midwest" 
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To anyone feeling anxious, take a look at the date of this: https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/870043721508802560 The one consistent trend of the past couple of years is that the media and average joe common sense has consistently backed the wrong horse
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Why did Jeremy Corbyn decide it was worthwhile lying about not watching the Queen at Christmas? Does anyone normal?
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forkboy84 posted:Why did Jeremy Corbyn decide it was worthwhile lying about not watching the Queen at Christmas? Does anyone normal? Did he though? I thought he said he watched it "in the morning" implying Boxing Day morning.
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forkboy84 posted:Why did Jeremy Corbyn decide it was worthwhile lying about not watching the Queen at Christmas? Does anyone normal? Did he? I know the Express headline says he did, but the person giving off on Twitter said he just said "we don't watch much tv at xmas".
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forkboy84 posted:Why did Jeremy Corbyn decide it was worthwhile lying about not watching the Queen at Christmas? Does anyone normal? yeah it gave me some ed miliband vibes, saying some poo poo because you think you have to for decorum or whatever or maybe he just didn't want to offend the queen, make for an awkward privy council meeting
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J_RBG posted:To anyone feeling anxious, take a look at the date of this: Wow, it's quite close between those who thought Lab is more hung and those who thought Con is more hung. We need a comparison shot 
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I grew up with 2 parents from yorkshire but most of that time was down in essex so my "natural" accent wanders all over the place My mum taught me to also speak in an rp accent purely because being able to pass as middle class in some situations is very useful but it also meant being quite self conscious over how I speak, ever more so after seeing the difference in how my best BBC presenter voice gets me treated as opposed to broad yorks or cheeky essex chappie Will also strongly echo the comments made by my dishonorable fellow members regarding taking a break- it helps, do it.
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forkboy84 posted:Why did Jeremy Corbyn decide it was worthwhile lying about not watching the Queen at Christmas? Does anyone normal? Why did you decide that it's worthwhile to trust tabloid headlines?
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Bundy posted:Did he though? I thought he said he watched it "in the morning" implying Boxing Day morning. Going from the transcript of it https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1202209430596726784?s=20 It's just loving dumb. All the poo poo going against Labour & he flubs a nothing question, hard not to be irked by it. So pointless.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Why did you decide that it's worthwhile to trust tabloid headlines? Why did you think I'm a loving moron who only gets his news from tabloid headlines? He hosed up mate. It's okay, you can say that. Denying it happened is loving creepy.
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It's pretty obvious he was lying about watching it https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1202218612146225155?s=20
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Braggart posted:Re: voicechat, I have met so, so many people who have expressed embarrassment about the way they speak or how their voice sounds. Women have told me that they think they sound like a child; men have told me that they don't think their voice is masculine enough. In every case, I thought their voices sounded perfectly fine. I could see how they had reached their conclusions, based on quirks of their voices that they were hyperfocusing on and endless exposure to media with voices that fit some arbitrary definition of perfection, but it was very obviously a question of low self esteem, probably exacerbated by digs about the quirks of their voices. On the voicechat topic again - everyone's voice sounds weird to them when recorded because we mostly only hear our own voices through bone conduction, which transmits low frequencies better than air does - so everyone hears a reedier version of themselves on recordings and as for accents, yeah, it sure feels like class warfare to me, as a dude who's maintained a Canadian accent even though I've been here 5 years.
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Maybe he watches it occasionally but doesn't have the loving time memorised like some kind of freak? I don't know when it's on but I have watched it several times. He's supposed to be the prime minister not the loving tv guide.
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Yeah it’s a bad look. I don’t personally care because the queens speech in Denmark is pointless feelgood poo poo about national pride and I expect it’s much the same for the commonwealth version, but it’s a bad look.
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forkboy84 posted:Going from the transcript of it So he didn't say he does when he doesn't, he gave a waffly answer which would have gone unremarked if he were anyone else. But yeah he could have just said 'no' but that would have caused just as many lovely headlines (or possibly worse).
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Lmao https://twitter.com/judeinlondon2/status/1202526292349980672?s=19
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marktheando posted:It's pretty obvious he was lying about watching it Eh the way he answers the question it doesn't really come across as a lie, just a bad non-answer. He probably has seen it once or twice but doesn't remember when it's on because he's normal.
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Jeremy corbyn can't be prime minister because he doesn't know which one's ant and which one's dec.
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I think they’ve realised that they’ve juiced the antisemitism narrative too much and too early and are now mad scrambling for other avenues to attack Corbyn personally, hence the Russian nonsense and now the queens speech poo poo that no one actually cares about
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Sorry guys for spreading more fear into the thread. On a more positive note I just want to share my appreciation for everyone here who are doing hard work campaigning and the new doorknockers especially. You're all amazing and doing great work!
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:So he didn't say he does when he doesn't, he gave a waffly answer which would have gone unremarked if he were anyone else. But yeah he could have just said 'no' but that would have caused just as many lovely headlines (or possibly worse). I quite agree it wouldn't have been front page news if it was anyone else. The point is we know the scales are stacked against us so lets not give them some free ammunition for the love of good. Should it matter? No, clearly not when Boris Johnson is a serial liar on serious issues, this is absolutely loving nothing. But it's an uphill struggle, a media we know is against us, it's just a pointless lie. Sure, the Mail would probably be angry he doesn't watch the speech but no one else would care. The story isn't that, the story is that Corbyn didn't think you could handle the truth so he told a porkie and therefore there is no difference between him & Boris. I could just do without avoidable mistakes, this election is life & death. I've never seen the Queens Speech because what the gently caress, why would anyone do that? But for whatever the knowledge it's a 3pm start is embedded in my brain. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Dec 5, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:Jeremy corbyn can't be prime minister because he doesn't know which one's ant and which one's dec. Top tip, you’d think “Ant” was the small one, but it’s actually the opposite (I’ve amazed my friends so often knowing which is which)
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Anyone feeling down remember that there is so much positivity towards Labour that doesn't get aired in the media and that positivity extends far beyond the confines of this thread. A friend of mine in her early 20s told me a few months ago that politics goes completely over her head. She's spent the entire election posting pro-Labour articles and memes on Facebook as has pretty much everyone I have friended. We have a much stronger starting point than we did two years ago and the ruling class is living in denial in the past. They don't know our strength cause they refuse to see it, that's what will be their undoing.Barry Foster posted:Yeah! It'll be next week, possibly Tuesday afternoon/evening and maybe Wednesday day time I have work in the day times and I'm volunteering Tuesday evening  I'm looking for somewhere to canvas at the weekend if any Bristol goons are out and about though!
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