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I really hope that after Craig retires that they drop all this arc bullshit. Honestly EON getting the rights to use SPECTRE after Skyfall was a Bad Idea.
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Huh. We could have had Sam Neil as Bond instead of Dalton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V15wNflslc
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~Coxy posted:I really hope that after Craig retires that they drop all this arc bullshit. Then I watched Spectre and honestly I’ve forgotten most of it by now
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Dec 5, 2019 15:45
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FlamingLiberal posted:They just squandered it completely. When I first heard the casting announcement of Waltz as Blofeld, i was thrilled Everything about Spectre outside of the opening in Mexico is completely half-assed, all the way down to them literally using a demo take for the theme.
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Dec 5, 2019 15:59
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Timby posted:Everything about Spectre outside of the opening in Mexico is completely half-assed, all the way down to them literally using a demo take for the theme. I thought Bautista was great, and the train fight a lot of fun. Hopefully he finds his way back in.
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Dec 5, 2019 16:02
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Violator posted:I thought Bautista was great, and the train fight a lot of fun. Hopefully he finds his way back in. I thought he was completely wasted. I waited 3 movies for Craig's Bond to face off against a memorable henchman and all we get is a guy with metal thumbnails? Bautista is a very charismatic actor too, so of course they made him mute.
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Dec 5, 2019 16:37
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Cacator posted:I thought he was completely wasted. I waited 3 movies for Craig's Bond to face off against a memorable henchman and all we get is a guy with metal thumbnails? It's nuts how Bautista turned out to be such a fun actor out of nowhere. drunkill posted:Huh. At least we got Reilly: Ace of Spies?
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Dec 5, 2019 16:46
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Yea Bautista really was worthy of like a Robert Shaw-type villain role where he gets to be the main henchman but also a character who gets to talk poo poo to Bond and do all the spy poo poo. Missed opportunity.
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Dec 5, 2019 16:51
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Guess I gotta rewatch Spectre before this new one comes out. Maybe it's the trailer itself but I'm surprised with myself how low my hype is. Maybe I have really moved on to other franchises. The Craig movies haven't wowed me with their action or stories since Casino Royale.
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Dec 5, 2019 17:18
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Spectre was a big wet fart after Skyfall, which was the best Bond since Goldeneye IMO
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Even if Spectre turned out to be pretty dull, its individual good parts and by virtue of having Daniel Craig in it place it as a Bond movie I’d rather watch than the bulk majority of the other ones. It’s hard for me to go back to the pre Daniel Craig movies save for a select few. He’s just such a definitive take on the character for me, and Casino Royale and Skyfall are just about perfect.
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Dec 5, 2019 20:50
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man nurse posted:Even if Spectre turned out to be pretty dull, its individual good parts and by virtue of having Daniel Craig in it place it as a Bond movie I’d rather watch than the bulk majority of the other ones. The only Bond I really am not a fan of is Moore, but unfortunately that leaves me with a pretty long run of them that I just don't care for. The only Moore Bond I can really say I enjoy and would watch regularly is The Man With the Golden Gun. I'd watch Spectre over For Your Eyes Only or Octopussy any day.
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Dec 5, 2019 21:00
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man nurse posted:Even if Spectre turned out to be pretty dull, its individual good parts and by virtue of having Daniel Craig in it place it as a Bond movie I’d rather watch than the bulk majority of the other ones. Skyfall is pretty yikes when it comes to its treatment of women.
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Dec 5, 2019 21:38
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Timby posted:Skyfall is pretty yikes when it comes to its treatment of women.
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Dec 5, 2019 22:18
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FlamingLiberal posted:OTOH every Bond movie ever Just because it was considered acceptable in the '60s doesn't make it fine in the modern day. Bond rapes a sex slave and makes a tasteless one-liner when she's executed. Moneypenny goes from being an ostensibly capable field agent who screws up, misses a shot and almost kills Bond to being a secretary. M can't handle a gun and dies for it. She also jeopardizes the mission by sending a clearly not-ready Bond out on it, because of her maternal instincts. Ralph Fiennes shouts down a woman at the MI6 hearing and basically tells her to stay in her lane. Skyfall is beautifully shot and has some amazing set pieces, but it has a pretty nasty sensibility towards women.
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Dec 5, 2019 22:43
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FlamingLiberal posted:Then I watched Spectre and honestly I’ve forgotten most of it by now Maybe Spetre drilled a hole in your brain to make you forget it. Because that happened in the movie too.
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I forgot probably 90 percent of both Quantum and Spectre. I'm a huge Bond fan so it sucks they hosed up with half the movies. Mission Impossible's got 6 movies and there's only one I don't like.
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Dec 6, 2019 00:11
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Skyfall is probably the best-looking Bond film (although the other Craigs aren't far behind, and OHMSS can be gorgeous) but overall it's pretty whatever. I don't really consider Craig's track record that different from Brosnan's. Hopefully he doesn't get a Die Another Day though.
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Dec 6, 2019 00:33
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LesterGroans posted:Skyfall is probably the best-looking Bond film (although the other Craigs aren't far behind, and OHMSS can be gorgeous) but overall it's pretty whatever. But I would take Casino Royale and Skyfall over Goldeneye and Brosnan's second best film which I guess would be Tomorrow Never Dies. I really don't like Quantum of Solace but it's better than Die Another Day.
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Timby posted:Skyfall is pretty yikes when it comes to its treatment of women. I think it was intentional Bautista is great in ip man: master Z
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got any sevens posted:I think it was intentional No doubt, but are you saying there was creative reason beyond general misogyny?
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Drink-Mix Man posted:No doubt, but are you saying there was creative reason beyond general misogyny? i think the idea is that depiction isn't endorsement, and given the movie's themes about Bond being a hosed up relic you're not exactly supposed to read his behavior as good
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Dec 6, 2019 08:14
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:i think the idea is that depiction isn't endorsement, and given the movie's themes about Bond being a hosed up relic you're not exactly supposed to read his behavior as good But why portray the women around him as incompetent fuckups playing into outdated gender roles?
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Dec 6, 2019 08:29
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Timby posted:Just because it was considered acceptable in the '60s doesn't make it fine in the modern day. Bond rapes a sex slave and makes a tasteless one-liner when she's executed. Moneypenny goes from being an ostensibly capable field agent who screws up, misses a shot and almost kills Bond to being a secretary. M can't handle a gun and dies for it. She also jeopardizes the mission by sending a clearly not-ready Bond out on it, because of her maternal instincts. Ralph Fiennes shouts down a woman at the MI6 hearing and basically tells her to stay in her lane. Hot takes here lmao Skyfall is the best bond up there with Goldeneye like the other guy said.
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Dec 6, 2019 09:49
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Drink-Mix Man posted:But why portray the women around him as incompetent fuckups playing into outdated gender roles? Most of your points are valid, although I do think the movie is trying to say something about Bond and masculinity in general, but it's been too long since I've seen it to where I can remember most of these scenes in detail. BUT the moment where he makes a quip when the lady is executed is for sure 100% intentional - it's him trying to play it off as "woman dead so what" when it's super loving clear that he absolutely cares A LOT. It's one of the most striking pieces of characterization that his version of the character gets throughout the entire series IMO.
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Dec 6, 2019 13:17
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Quantum of Solace is better than you remember.
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Mantis42 posted:Quantum of Solace is better than you remember. I only saw it once when it first came out and thought it was pretty good then, didn't understand the complaints.
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Hakkesshu posted:Most of your points are valid, although I do think the movie is trying to say something about Bond and masculinity in general, but it's been too long since I've seen it to where I can remember most of these scenes in detail. Yeah, I am legit asking if anyone picked out a worthwhile theme from the film's treatment of masculinity vs. femininity, or if it was just anti-feminist for the sake of. Not talking about Bond's characterization, but the way the movie portrayed the women around him and seemed to go out of its way to reboot back to 60's gender roles.
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The way Skyfall ends with a status quo that's very much a callback to the earlier Bond films felt like a bizarre step backwards.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I only saw it once when it first came out and thought it was pretty good then, didn't understand the complaints. I couldn't handle the camera cuts 4 times per second. And then the final boss was a solar hotel that suddenly emerged for no reason.
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Dec 6, 2019 20:00
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New Bond looks great, I loving love Craig in the role and always look forward to the next one. Here's my post-Craig pitch: counter to the dark gritty Sam Mendes style take on it, we move to a lighter, breezier, funner Bond with slick action and loads of humor. Riz Ahmed as Bond. Edgar Wright directing.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I only saw it once when it first came out and thought it was pretty good then, didn't understand the complaints. It includes some pretty weak film-making and outside of the guy being sentenced to death by oil is not at all a memorable movie.
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Laughing Zealot posted:The way Skyfall ends with a status quo that's very much a callback to the earlier Bond films felt like a bizarre step backwards. Yeah, word. It seemed like they were going for "this is the resolution to the arc where these movies are sort of a prequel" but I was like, "uh... yeah, there's a reason the previous films ditched some of this stuff." If they want to go back to all that, they should just do a straight-up 60's period piece. I thought the idea of Bond having a kick-rear end female sidekick at the start of the movie was kind of cool.
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I don’t know, Moneypenny rejecting Bond’s world isn’t necessarily a knock on her. It’s shown to be a world that makes people into awful nihilistic killing machines (at best) or evil plotting assholes. I think the argument could be made that she is just smarter than Bond. The whole movie characterizes Bond as a blunt instrument in a world full of precision. The only reason that they “need” Bond is they decided they needed other 00s in the past. If Moneypenny is opting out, then it’s a sign of progress that assholes might stop plotting to kill loving everyone as revenge for being uber-trained killmonsters who get betrayed as a basic function of the spy game. I don’t have as much of a response to the part with Fiennes paternalizing the hearing.
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Captain Magic posted:I don’t know, Moneypenny rejecting Bond’s world isn’t necessarily a knock on her. It’s shown to be a world that makes people into awful nihilistic killing machines (at best) or evil plotting assholes. I think the argument could be made that she is just smarter than Bond. The problem is she basically fails in the field and shoots Bond. Had she been successful and left on her own terms it would have played differently.
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Captain Magic posted:I don’t know, Moneypenny rejecting Bond’s world isn’t necessarily a knock on her. It’s shown to be a world that makes people into awful nihilistic killing machines (at best) or evil plotting assholes. I think the argument could be made that she is just smarter than Bond. The issue isn't so much that she decided not to be a field agent, it's that she's now right there in the same spot where the original Moneypenny was basically just a secretary. This Moneypenny seems perfectly capable of being given some sort of analyst position or something along those lines, she's waaay overqualified to be M's secretary.
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As someone who grew up with dame Judi Dench in the M role I really felt like that Skyfall did her disservice. Her dying didn't bother as much as just how much she had to be torn down along the way.
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tylersayten posted:Hot takes here lmao Sorry I took the time to actually look at what the text and subtext of the movie are instead of being "Oh, Bond went all Home Alone in his childhood farmhouse on Silva's guys, that was so cool." Laughing Zealot posted:The way Skyfall ends with a status quo that's very much a callback to the earlier Bond films felt like a bizarre step backwards. It was an especially strange decision because a huge chunk of Skyfall's narrative is built around Bond being old, psychologically worn-down and nearing the end of his rope (as was Craig, since Spectre was the last movie on his contract and he only did No Time to Die if he got script and director approval in addition to the dumptruck of cash Eon offered him); remember, Bond flunked his physical and psychological exams, but still got sent into the field because of M's warm feelings towards him, and ultimately it's a huge factor in getting M killed. Basically doing the movie as a long-way-around way of saying, "Look, here's a male M, and Moneypenny is his secretary, and here's Q and he's a tech nerd and he's giving Bond all sorts of cool poo poo, now we're back to the Bond you know," was just a very bizarre creative decision.
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Hakkesshu posted:BUT the moment where he makes a quip when the lady is executed is for sure 100% intentional - it's him trying to play it off as "woman dead so what" when it's super loving clear that he absolutely cares A LOT. It's one of the most striking pieces of characterization that his version of the character gets throughout the entire series IMO. I agree, Craig does a nice job of portraying Bond being really shaken but trying to suppress it in that scene.
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