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I'm biased, but I really think it should have adopted a Nier-like structure, where you go through the beginning a second time with a big perspective flip, and then branch out into other routes. I wish they had either combined some of the routes together, or shortened them into mini campaigns one after another, or something different than the structure we got. Because, as you said, you have to play through all four routes to get everything, and that's an insane time commitment to most people. I'm hopefully going to finish my fourth by the game's one year anniversary.
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every route besides edelgard's should have ended with edelgard murdering you
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Dec 5, 2019 22:22
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Endorph posted:every route besides edelgard's should have ended with edelgard murdering you That is easy enough to manage even with the current state of the game.
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Dec 5, 2019 22:23
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Endorph posted:every route besides edelgard's should have ended with edelgard murdering you the killing edelgard cutscene from wind/snow, except she pulls out a gun and shoots you in the head
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Dec 5, 2019 22:31
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 "Byleth Eisner, the truth is..."
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Dec 5, 2019 22:36
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I still to this day have never actually played silver snow I've beaten revelation
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Dec 5, 2019 22:42
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Tae posted:I still to this day have never actually played silver snow But don't you want to marry your mother/daughter?
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Dec 5, 2019 23:09
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McTimmy posted:But don't you want to marry your mother/daughter?
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Dec 5, 2019 23:13
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I've just beaten every route but the church one and I hope the next game doesn't have split routes again if this and fates are the best they can do. the eliwood/hector split makes more sense imo since then they're still only telling one story. the end of claude's route is a mess and I'm still bummed out that edelgard gets less maps than the others fun game on the whole but it really needs more maps. at least enough so they aren't reusing story maps for paralogues. also feels weird to get to a late game map and realize I'd been there multiple times in random battles. plus a lot of the stuff in the monastery feels pointless by the time you get to the second half of your first run. I basically didn't touch a lot of it on subsequent runs. would have been cool if each route had its own base too
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Dec 5, 2019 23:45
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Manatee Cannon posted:I've just beaten every route but the church one and I hope the next game doesn't have split routes again if this and fates are the best they can do. the eliwood/hector split makes more sense imo since then they're still only telling one story. the end of claude's route is a mess and I'm still bummed out that edelgard gets less maps than the others The worst (best?) has to be fighting off Ingrid’s lovely suitor in a volcano
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Dec 5, 2019 23:59
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ROFL Octopus posted:The worst (best?) has to be fighting off Ingrid’s lovely suitor in a volcano It's not a volcano. Its radioactive ground zero from the first time the literal ICBMs came out. Everyone calling it a volcano is short selling the stupid.
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Dec 6, 2019 03:25
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i did silver snow and unironically feel the game would be better if it were removed
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Dec 6, 2019 03:28
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FoolyCharged posted:It's not a volcano. Its radioactive ground zero from the first time the literal ICBMs came out. Everyone calling it a volcano is short selling the stupid. Is that what it is? It's such a baffling chapter in general. Like "hey let's have a good ol' marriage interview in the middle of satan's back yard!"
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Dec 6, 2019 03:31
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What makes Ingrid's paralogue so goofy is how little context it gives you for anything going on. Unless you're on a second playthrough after doing GD/SS, you have no context for the location you're actually at, and the reason you're there is a vague "oh we need to dig up some dirt on this guy" but what that dirt is or why you had to go to loving Mordor to get it is never established. The villain's plot also appears to be to prevent Ingrid from informing her dad that her suitor is evil by... kidnapping her and taking her back to said suitor. Which uh, might just tip daddy dearest off, evil suitor guy! Then you kill everybody and Dorothea just kinda dusts her hands off and goes "good job everybody, justice wins again!"
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Dec 6, 2019 03:32
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I suspect/believe the game started as a "Do you side with Dmitri or Edelgard?" thing like Fates that they later broke up into the game that was eventually released. Someone on the dev team at some point said something to the effect of "The Alliance seems interesting, why don't we make them playable?" and then someone else said "What if you don't choose the Lions but feel icky about Edelgard?" and the Dmitri route got awkwardly chopped up into three which further cut on time for the Eagles route.
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Dorothea deserved a better paralogue than being Ingrid’s sidekick. Black Eagles kinda get a raw deal for paralogues though. If you play Edelgard, you don’t get Ferdinand or Caspar’s.
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Dec 6, 2019 03:54
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You don't get a majority of them period.
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Let's be honest: Out of the latest 4 Fire Emblem games that tried to show more than two wars/perspectives in the same game, 3H still made it out of it the best so far. Heroes did it second best, and that's mostly because, y'know, it's still ongoing and whatnot. Intsys should stick to two wars/perspectives at a maximum per console game. Or if they do a third war or whatever, make it post-game. I've been trying to play Blue Lions across this week but I feel that, if I continue onward, I'm just gonna get burned-out, which sucks because both Edelgard and Claude's routes were fun as hell to play. Slain, Hollow Knight, River City Girls and Bloodstained have been hella fun to play in FE:3H's stead, though!
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Dec 6, 2019 04:09
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this game is absolutely better than fates on a narrative level but that is a remarkably low bar. dunno much about heroes because my phone is too old to run it without crashing lmao I think the main problem with burnout is that too much of the game is the same. also the route choice should have been at the end of part 1, not the beginning galagazombie posted:I suspect/believe the game started as a "Do you side with Dmitri or Edelgard?" thing like Fates that they later broke up into the game that was eventually released. Someone on the dev team at some point said something to the effect of "The Alliance seems interesting, why don't we make them playable?" and then someone else said "What if you don't choose the Lions but feel icky about Edelgard?" and the Dmitri route got awkwardly chopped up into three which further cut on time for the Eagles route. they did the same thing with fates and revelation where a bunch of the real story is gated behind a specific playthrough, only it makes literally zero sense in either game. like it feels like edelgard's route should have ended with killing the mole king in tron city but they wanted another route so it just ends tho actually that reminds me of another point: edelgard is right and rhea just seems like a psychopath in all 3 routes I've played. I get that she has to be sketchy in part 1 for people to sympathize with eddy at all but they don't do much to make rhea not seem bad
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FoolyCharged posted:It's not a volcano. Its radioactive ground zero from the first time the literal ICBMs came out. Everyone calling it a volcano is short selling the stupid.
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It would have been cool if the game gave you the option to side with Rhea against Edelgard. Then there could be a secret route where you really connect with Rhea and see her perspective. Oh well...
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Dec 6, 2019 04:55
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at least we'll always have rhea's hips
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Endorph posted:at least we'll always have rhea's hips https://twitter.com/UltimaShadowX/status/1192502315175104512
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Manatee Cannon posted:they did the same thing with fates and revelation where a bunch of the real story is gated behind a specific playthrough, only it makes literally zero sense in either game. like it feels like edelgard's route should have ended with killing the mole king in tron city but they wanted another route so it just ends El's ending is absolutely perfect. Tron assholes suck rear end and are boring and don't matter. Crimson Flower ends precisely when it needs to. It would've been great if it was finished and got all the pretty cutscenes and poo poo everyone else does, but it's general narrative arc is good and just needed some polish. Slash fighting Claude is boring. And no you're experiencing things correctly and don't let doubters and naysayers shake your faith in Lady Edelgard.
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Rhea is a maternal figure of religious authority in a JRPG I was automatically disinclined to trust her 
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Eimi posted:And no you're experiencing things correctly and don't let doubters and naysayers shake your faith in Lady Edelgard.  Like Clockwork posted:Rhea is a maternal figure of religious authority in a JRPG I was automatically disinclined to trust her
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Dec 6, 2019 06:23
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Wark Say posted:Don't make me shove you back into that locker, Hubie. https://twitter.com/yurifucker/status/1162189352429998080
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OK that's way cuter a reply than what I was expecting. Carry on, then. 
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Like Clockwork posted:Rhea is a maternal figure of religious authority in a JRPG I was automatically disinclined to trust her it is kinda disappointing that there aren't really any moms in the game besides the big evil one. dads get seteth, jeralt, gilbert, lambert and rodrigue for good examples, along with all the gross adrestian dads, but rhea is the only real mom I can think of? byleth's mom i guess but does she even get a name?
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Smirking_Serpent posted:it is kinda disappointing that there aren't really any moms in the game besides the big evil one. dads get seteth, jeralt, gilbert, lambert and rodrigue for good examples, along with all the gross adrestian dads, but rhea is the only real mom I can think of? No, which is really lovely. You have two people, at least, who have a connection with Byleth's mom, and neither of them even says her name once, even in the conversations about her.
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Dec 6, 2019 06:51
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Airspace, is it worth doing Silver Snow? Do you - Enjoy Seteth a lot, up to and possibly including the memey Seteth? if so, then - Have you done Verdant Wind? if you have not, then enjoy Silver Snow Personally it ended almost perfectly for my tastes, the terrible dragon Pope and the terrible warmonger both die. Best of both worlds. (Also I learned that Ctrl-I italicizes stuff in a post, if you take anything from my post, there it is)
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Dec 6, 2019 06:52
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I don’t think lizards like Rhea really have a perspective aside from eating turtle eggs and sitting stationary in the sun for 18 hours a day.
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Eimi posted:And no you're experiencing things correctly and don't let doubters and naysayers shake your faith in Lady Edelgard. Yes, let's vindicate the warmongering imperialist. It's totally cool and chill she does not recognize the independence of nations that broke off from hers 400 years ago and that's why it's okay for her to (re)conquer them now.
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Melomane Mallet posted:Yes, let's vindicate the warmongering imperialist. It's totally cool and chill she does not recognize the independence of nations that broke off from hers 400 years ago and that's why it's okay for her to (re)conquer them now. This seems to be the usual argument but I don't really agree with it since absolutely nobody ends up respecting other states' sovereignty in the end. Dimitri also unifies Fodlan, is that fine just because he didn't technically start the war? Claude even just straight up annexes Almyra, and yes racism bad but if imperialism is ok with good intentions, isn't that the same for Edelgard? That said I also don't see why folks are saying it's so obvious to side against Rhea. Unless I missed something she's not actively mass murdering people at the present moment which makes her enlightened by FE standards. Yeah she's creepy and wants to bring back God to rule the world and all but, medieval church, that's just how it is 
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Airspace posted:Airspace, is it worth doing Silver Snow? If you really like Seteth, there’s a Seteth-related paralogue exclusive to Verdant Wind
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Smirking_Serpent posted:it is kinda disappointing that there aren't really any moms in the game besides the big evil one. dads get seteth, jeralt, gilbert, lambert and rodrigue for good examples, along with all the gross adrestian dads, but rhea is the only real mom I can think of? I wouldn't exactly call Gilbert or Rodrigue examples good of parenting.
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Zoran posted:If you really like Seteth, there’s a Seteth-related paralogue exclusive to Verdant Wind Huh, interesting. I'll check it out when I pick back up my playthrough of VW.
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Redmark posted:This seems to be the usual argument but I don't really agree with it since absolutely nobody ends up respecting other states' sovereignty in the end. Dimitri also unifies Fodlan, is that fine just because he didn't technically start the war? Claude even just straight up annexes Almyra, and yes racism bad but if imperialism is ok with good intentions, isn't that the same for Edelgard? Azure Moon is kind of hilarious in terms of Dimitri ending up ruling all of Fodlan when that was absolutely the last thing on his mind on that route. Also, Claude doesn't need to annex the nation he's the heir to.
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Melomane Mallet posted:Azure Moon is kind of hilarious in terms of Dimitri ending up ruling all of Fodlan when that was absolutely the last thing on his mind on that route. Even if they just accept Claude as ruler like that which I don't think is clear, I can't believe that the elite or the citizenry of either nation would accept a close relationship just because Claude felt like it. Claude's the most sympathetic of all the protagonists to me, but guy spent the whole game talking to himself about how he needs more power and the biggest weapons. He doesn't strike me as a big idealistic believer in the power of friendship. edit: actually maybe I'm being presumptuous about future Claude. Maybe he just rules Almyra like a normal Almyran king(?) but more liberal(?) and doesn't try to attach with Fodlan(?) Redmark fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Melomane Mallet posted:Yes, let's vindicate the warmongering imperialist. It's totally cool and chill she does not recognize the independence of nations that broke off from hers 400 years ago and that's why it's okay for her to (re)conquer them now.
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