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echothreealpha posted:One theory I have on why we haven't seen Squadron 42 is they are working in some sort of terrible crunch time to get it done by the end of 2020... and hitting the PS5 & next gen Xbox launch window. That's a gold rush window right there. Don't get me wrong though, "Squadron 42 on PS5 and XBox2X" would be the greatest and most entertaining shitshow we've seen in years, so now I actually want it to happen just for the massive fallout (76) that would ensue. It would be Anthem bricking consoles all over again, but even somehow worse. E:Page snipe, so say hi to my cat Kira:  She is very relaxed and chill. And always hungry. Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Quick reminder that this is so close to the gates in X:beyond, X2:The Threat, X3:Terran Conflict (Reunion/Albion Prelude), X:Rebirth and X4:Foundations that it stretches the credulity of 'un homage' and starts to become the full Archer. Beyond the Frontier  The Threat  Terran Conflict/Albion Prelude  Rebirth  Foundations 
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Strangler 42 posted:That reminds me of a thought I had, that one day I might wake up and load up the thread and the title will have changed again. But this time it reads: Star Citizen Has Stopped Working. It will be the day when Star Citizen finally gets flushed down the toilet. Can we officiate this?
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echothreealpha posted:One theory I have on why we haven't seen Squadron 42 is they are working in some sort of terrible crunch time to get it done by the end of 2020... and hitting the PS5 & next gen Xbox launch window. That's a gold rush window right there. dont consoles have pretty stringent certification requirements? such as the game not being a buggy mess? i hope you are right zebedy fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Hav posted:Quick reminder that this is so close to the gates in X:beyond, X2:The Threat, X3:Terran Conflict (Reunion/Albion Prelude), X:Rebirth and X4:Foundations that it stretches the credulity of 'un homage' and starts to become the full Archer. Gotta defend CIG on this one- it's one of those core sci fi concepts that has been used so many times that they all start to blur together. Not just X but also Eve, Stargate, The Expanse, and basically every other sci-fi property that needs quick interstellar travel with some kind of bottleneck, has tapped the ol' gate mechanic. I've tried to trace it back to some originator and the closest I can come is possibly John Haldeman's 1974 classic The Forever War which was written as a direct response to Starship Troopers and influenced a lot of scifi thought and writing around the time. The earliest I could find in the games industry was Space Rogue in 89, an Origin product and spiritual predecessor to Wing Commander which as we know was pretty heavily influenced by the Man-Kzin War series, first published in 88 and heavily featuring the use of jump gates. So it may be that this one was a Chris Roberts original in the gaming space after all.
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Sarsapariller posted:Gotta defend CIG on this one- it's one of those core sci fi concepts that has been used so many times that they all start to blur together. Not just X but also Eve, Stargate, The Expanse, and basically every other sci-fi property that needs quick interstellar travel with some kind of bottleneck, has tapped the ol' gate mechanic. X:Beyond was 1999; Freelancer was 2003. The thing I'm pointing out is the big glowy ring with the outriggers is something that goes back 20 years, or just under a third of Star Citizen's development time. Sarsapariller posted:I've tried to trace it back to some originator and the closest I can come is possibly John Haldeman's 1974 classic The Forever War which was written as a direct response to Starship Troopers and influenced a lot of scifi thought and writing around the time. No complaints there. How did he describe them? As for the concept that Paul Neurath might owe something to Chris Roberts' influence, that might be true, but Space Rogue used 'wormholes' and pre-dated Wing Commander. If you want to trace the geneology there, I can point you all the way back to Codename Mat
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echothreealpha posted:One theory I have on why we haven't seen Squadron 42 is they are working in some sort of terrible crunch time to get it done by the end of 2020... and hitting the PS5 & next gen Xbox launch window. That's a gold rush window right there. console players will savage Squadron 42's over cruddiness worse than any other broken release that requires a 50gb day one download to patch. Going to a wide market is dangerous because it means more eyes on the project. I still maintain that SQ42 will never be in a state to release because it was always crap and will always be crap and they figured it out year ago. Releasing it will kill the Star Citizen and the company. It is better to keep pushing the release date back while hiding behind the excuse that it needs more polish and isn't up to Chris's standards. While also pulling in more money. The whales that are trapped at this point can't turn back so they'll keep pledging no matter how far back the dates get pushed. Pay yourself with their money until the bills stack too high to pay and then blame outside forces for destroying the game.
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Hav posted:To be fair, the probably don't want any of the plot leaking before release. I personally can not wait to play as the camera for the Pusher story. With cameos by Mark Hamill here and there and other lowbrow actors like Gillian Anderson, etc.
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Strangler 42 posted:console players will savage Squadron 42's over cruddiness worse than any other broken release that requires a 50gb day one download to patch. Going to a wide market is dangerous because it means more eyes on the project. I still maintain that SQ42 will never be in a state to release because it was always crap and will always be crap and they figured it out year ago. Releasing it will kill the Star Citizen and the company. It is better to keep pushing the release date back while hiding behind the excuse that it needs more polish and isn't up to Chris's standards. While also pulling in more money. The whales that are trapped at this point can't turn back so they'll keep pledging no matter how far back the dates get pushed. Pay yourself with their money until the bills stack too high to pay and then blame outside forces for destroying the game. Gonna say it now, I'll be surprised as all hell if they even make an attempt, given the sheer wall of complaint that will greet the saviour of PC Gaming appearing to give the consoles 'first taste' of the thing they paid for.
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Warframe is online streaming real Railjack gameplay while explaining in detail every bit of gameplay. https://www.twitch.tv/warframe/
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Sarsapariller posted:The earliest I could find in the games industry was Space Rogue in 89, an Origin product and spiritual predecessor to Wing Commander which as we know was pretty heavily influenced by the Man-Kzin War series, first published in 88 and heavily featuring the use of jump gates. LOL, turns out that it's on Steam; https://store.steampowered.com/app/569200/Space_Rogue_Classic/
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the last tweet from swafford about star citizen was June 11th 2018 Guess those checks stopped coming in Guess what he's hyping now https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidSwofford/status/1186685474108301314 Lol
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Hav posted:LOL, turns out that it's on Steam; https://store.steampowered.com/app/569200/Space_Rogue_Classic/ Check out that wormhole at :47 in the video. Space colonoscopies are real and ancient
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Hav posted:No complaints there. How did he describe them? Fairly different except in the sense of being points in space that linked two systems Haldeman posted:Most of us didn’t feel too enthusiastic about making a collapsar jump, either. We’d been assured that we wouldn’t even feel it happen, just free fall all the way. I wasn’t convinced. As a physics student, I’d had the usual courses in general relativity and theories of gravitation. We only had a little direct data at that time — Stargate was discovered when I was in grade school — but the mathematical model seemed clear enough. The collapsar Stargate was a perfect sphere about three kilometers in radius. It was suspended forever in a state of gravitational collapse that should have meant its surface was dropping toward its center at nearly the speed of light. Relativity propped it up, at least gave it the illusion of being there … the way all reality becomes illusory and observer-oriented when you study general relativity. Or Buddhism. Or get drafted. At any rate, there would be a theoretical point in space-time when one end of our ship was just above the surface of the collapsar, and the other end was a kilometer away (in our frame of reference). In any sane universe, this would set up tidal stresses and tear the ship apart, and we would be just another million kilograms of degenerate matter on the theoretical surface, rushing headlong to nowhere for the rest of eternity or dropping to the center in the next trillionth of a second. You pays your money and you takes your frame of reference. But they were right. We blasted away from Stargate 1, made a few course corrections and then just dropped, for about an hour.
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TheAgent posted:the last tweet from swafford about star citizen was June 11th 2018 makes sense
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Sarsapariller posted:Check out that wormhole at :47 in the video. Space colonoscopies are real and ancient Yeah, is nothing sacred?  TheAgent posted:the last tweet from swafford about star citizen was June 11th 2018 Rex starts streaming SC Nov 24th 2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy0YIsgj5R8 Guess they shifted the marketing budget.
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Inacio posted:you guys are nuts. how the heck do you think star citizen isn't the best looking game of all time Hiding in the shadows. Lust is on his mind.
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Btw every loving time and elevator kills you, thanks this guy https://mobile.twitter.com/obj_calavera/status/862373564024070144
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Strangler 42 posted:console players will savage Squadron 42's over cruddiness worse than any other broken release that requires a 50gb day one download to patch. Going to a wide market is dangerous because it means more eyes on the project. I still maintain that SQ42 will never be in a state to release because it was always crap and will always be crap and they figured it out year ago. Releasing it will kill the Star Citizen and the company. It is better to keep pushing the release date back while hiding behind the excuse that it needs more polish and isn't up to Chris's standards. While also pulling in more money. The whales that are trapped at this point can't turn back so they'll keep pledging no matter how far back the dates get pushed. Pay yourself with their money until the bills stack too high to pay and then blame outside forces for destroying the game. Maybe, but we know Chris Roberts really wants to make films, has hired some pretty well known actors/actresses and also promised the Calders something for the 46 million. We know it's a bad idea, because how much of the 350m of crowdfunded + investor money has already been wasted on the product? It could also be why the beta is delayed until the third quarter of 2020; just in time to release the beta on PC, get the necessary comments and major bug fixes, and rush it through the door just in time for next gen games launch. That's such a shitshow waiting to happen that I cant help but hope it will be the case.
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Hav posted:Quick reminder that this is so close to the gates in X:beyond, X2:The Threat, X3:Terran Conflict (Reunion/Albion Prelude), X:Rebirth and X4:Foundations that it stretches the credulity of 'un homage' and starts to become the full Archer. TBH jump gates in scifi are so standard it's probably just a lack of imagination.
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my current company brings in about $32m/yr with about a staff of 250 and we are barely making a profit and not everyone here has to be tech savvy, there's a ton of interns and people getting paid $15 an hour So that $40m that citizens are clamoring over? It's loving really low for a project of this scope
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Fly through of the new city: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ov1es Pros: * Buildings look nice * Snow on the rooftops is a nice touch * Little clusters of buildings and bridges look neat to fly over without thinking too hard about Cons: * Geographically the city makes no sense. Why is it located there? What is it accomplishing that justifies putting it in the arctic rather than in the (apparently) temperate zones on the planet. Does literally everyone in the future live in densely packed high-rises in the middle of otherwise uninhabited landscapes? I salute their ecological sensibilities but where are the loving farms and suburbs? The world doesn't just go nothing, nothing, nothing, CITY, nothing, nothing. Star Citizen is a game of, apparently, giant space stations and cities and no other signs of human habitation anywhere. * Architecturally the city makes no sense. Why do they need towering bridges over ice-lakes that are frozen year round? Why do they need docks and port buildings? What the gently caress? * Speaking of- remember that "Revolutionary road tech" they advertised, like, a year ago? Guess it didn't go anywhere because the cities are clearly not being built with roads in mind. There's no way that anyone is going to add driveable paths to this mess without rebuilding it from scratch. * The entire thing is completely lifeless, no traffic, no NPC's, no lights- it looks like the player is noclipping through a static model because that's literally what is happening. * The design is once again not built for ground gameplay in any way. Look at the buildings. There are no roads between them. No two are at the same elevation. Bridges jut from nowhere and end up nowhere. The whole thing is clearly built to be a backdrop as you fly in and out of the spaceport, the one part of the planet that will have any on-foot elements. This is stupid. You have a whole goddamn planet of empty space and one point of interest, and it's the one place you can't actually walk around. * Critically though, they forgot to build a bunch of big walls around the city this time. At Loreville you couldn't get into the city without going through a bunch of little doorways on foot. This one sure looks like an enterprising player could land on the edge of the no-fly zone, get out, and walk right into the clearly-not-designed-for-them city. That's gonna lead to some embarrassing videos within a week of release, or a no-walk-zone, further damaging immersion. * Fixing any of these cons just screams "Enormous tech debt."
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Sarsapariller posted:Fly through of the new city: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7ov1es Don't worry, this is just the tier 0 version and it's still early days.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:"New Babbage"??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JATjMZJuX1c
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I mean, I know it's referring to Charles Babbage, but it's just such a bad-sounding name for what is supposedly a cyberpunk city. Also, ew, gently caress Nick Robinson.
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TheAgent posted:the last tweet from swafford about star citizen was June 11th 2018 https://youtu.be/ZTZUmnLZVhU?t=33907 confirmed by relay
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Dark Off posted:https://youtu.be/ZTZUmnLZVhU?t=33907 confirmed by relay
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So close. And yet they keep finding a suitable rationalization to shake the realization off.
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echothreealpha posted:One theory I have on why we haven't seen Squadron 42 is they are working in some sort of terrible crunch time to get it done by the end of 2020... and hitting the PS5 & next gen Xbox launch window. That's a gold rush window right there. I guess it wouldn't pass the console certifications.
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MedicineHut posted:So close. And yet they keep finding a suitable rationalization to shake the realization off. No, those are pretty much the musings of a guy who's realized what's up but is literally too invested (full time Star Citizen streamer) to go full FailureToReport. He's basically the guy working in a car-break factory who sees his company cut corners on the manufacturing process, has a conscience, but also debt and no better job prospects, so he sucks it up.
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So, on the topic of neural nets: AI Dungeon 2 is finally ready and it is loving incredible. I used it to have the world's most fidelitous Star Citizen adventure earlier. Note- I entered the commands in the carets. All the descriptive text came from the neural net. It got it just about right though. Adventure Begins: You are a wing commander in the galactic imperial republic. You are hunting bounties in the local pirate bar. A group of shady men enter the room and walk up to you. The man in the lead says, "We have been hired by one of your clients". > Shoot him and claim his bounty "Who is this?" you ask. The man smiles, "This is my client". He points at you, > Nod in understanding "Very good", he says, "I will be back with the payment soon". He walks out of the room. A few minutes later, you return to find that he has returned with a large sum of money. He hands it to you and smiles > Buy a spaceship You take the money and walk outside. You see an old man sitting on a bench, smoking a cigarette. He looks like he's been crying for awhile now. > Ask if he has any spaceships He nods, "Yes I do! My son has one!" You nod, "What kind of ship is it?" He pauses, > Clip through the floor He nods, "It's a small craft, but it can travel great distances, it was given to me by my friend". > Offer to buy it He smiles, "Well, you could have it". > Take the ship He nods, "Thank you sir!". He begins walking away. > Get in the ship You sit down in the chair and look around. The interior of the ship is very simple, just a bed, some chairs and a computer screen. A door opens up into another room. On the wall there are several pictures of various ships, from different eras > Enter waypoint for Hurston You walk over to the door and open it. Inside you see a woman wearing a space suit. She stares at you, as she slowly turns her head to stare at your face. She sits down next to you and puts her hand on your shoulder > Live out wild space fantasies "Hello, I'm Samantha Hurston. I've come here to meet my father". > Have mind blown by this revelation "My father? Oh yes, he's a famous explorer who lived many years ago. He was a member of the Federation, which was a group that tried to unite all the planets in the galaxy under one government". > Shoot her and claim her bounty She shakes her head, > shoot her shoot her shoot her You fire your pistol at her, but miss. Her body falls backwards onto the ground. You quickly run over to her and begin kicking her corpse. > Shout "The inevitable consequences of piracy!" You turn around and start shooting at the other pirates. They fall dead one after another. You then hear the sound of a helicopter approaching. You quickly climb up the ladder and jump off the side of the ship. You land near the helicopter, where you're met by two men in suits
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Latest Devstream is about Empyrean and a look at previous updates and a look at future updates for Warframe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_SbsSoIuIg Major changes include a major overhaul of all systems. Energy management is gone now, you instead use materials for resource management, which you can collect and use from blown up aircraft and asteroids. So if you blow up a bunch of fighters you can collect mats and then instantly use those to build missiles and energy and stuff. Your ship also has its own powers and "mana" pool which can be powered by materials.  Jumping to and from enemy ships is really smooth, new minigames for ship repair are in the dev build. Co-op is required but you can jump onto public player ships. So if you don't have one, you can be part of anyone else's crew so long as you got an Archwing (a thing you get relatively early in the game) Avionics have replaced modules and are basically installed like Warframe mods. There are some which are always on, others use the aforementioned "mana" and so on.  There is an account-bound skill system which governs piloting, engineering and so on.  For anyone who is going to join in, this will likely drop January-February and will likely be kinda buggy and unstable so fair warning. Currently development is ongoing for NPC crew members, including the converted kuva liches and major balancing.
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Scruffpuff posted:What concerns me is that they split "playable" and "narrative" into two separate things. It's not horribly surprising since Chris doesn't know what a game is, vs what a movie is, but it's still concerning. Does that mean the game toggles between playable areas and in-engine cutscenes, like the worst games ever made, or does it seamlessly have the world and narrative occurring around you without taking away player agency, like Half-Life 2 did? The second thing is more immersive, and as we know, Chris says the word "immersion" like he has a vocal tic but his actual products are the least immersive pieces of poo poo in gaming history - anti-immersive, if anything. Which means the first answer is the correct one. moved to concern
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