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Cup Runneth Over posted:I don't know how it works in Mexico, but in the US you get the latest smartphone practically for free when you trade in your old one. You just stay on your payment plan. And no one actually buys phones outright. But the real question is, why exactly are you so concerned with whether or not they have the "latest version" of their phone? Why shouldn't they? Because they're poor, and poor people don't deserve cutting edge technology? Because then you see this same people just asking for money because they have no food and are hungry, when the green light turns, they just go to the sidewalk and watch facebook for a while and come back at the next red sign
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MikeStmria posted:Some mexicans have very close minds. lmao
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I mean look guys, listen to me fellow posters: I'm trying to be reasonable here and all and I totally agree with and approve of policies that AMLO has implemented to lift people out of poverty... but, the other day I saw a student with a samsung galaxy s10 even though based on factors like style of dress, age,
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hello i am phone posted:Even if they were spending it in superfluous stuff, they are spending it in local business and not hoarding on an offshore account. Can't disagree. In one of my post is what I said about AMLO ideas, I like some of them, like trying to push for morelocal production and consumption
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MikeStmria posted:I didn't replied to this because I have no idea of whats the difference between a Democrat and a Republican Usually they're the same, except for the part where one is pro-abortion and pro-gun regulation and the other is pro-life and pro-murder.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Also is quite funny that all "proof" presented are kids posing inside stores, we dont even know if they are really buying anything I know a not insignificant number of people who used to show off brand new clothes, fancy watches and poo poo like that on social media while not actually buying them. You can walk into almost any store and ask to try on some items and have it up on instagram to farm likes.
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MikeStmria posted:Also, he made a party for his 1st year as president. Which is intersting to say the least. Macron did the same thing in France and he's as neo-liberal as all get out. There's nothing sinister about that at all.
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MikeStmria posted:I didn't replied to this because I have no idea of whats the difference between a Democrat and a Republican The first is center-right ("left") and the second is ultra-right ("right) in the US.
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MikeStmria posted:They can, for reference https://www.elektra.com.mx/cuatrimo...2hoC3kwQAvD_BwE The stipend is 1600 bi-monthly, fucko. Not enough for your fash fantasies to be true. https://expreso.press/2019/02/28/requisitos-para-recibir-la-beca-de-1600-pesos/
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Macron did the same thing in France and he's as neo-liberal as all get out. There's nothing sinister about that at all. Didn't know this. Still find it interesting for him too :P I might just be salty they are doing other things and calling their followers to celebrate the change. In mexico politics go as follows. PAN (Partido Accion Nacional) - They rob a gently caress ton but get a bit of stuff done, have only had 2 presidents. Can't tell if left or right. They just politicians PRI (Partido Revolucionaro Institucional) - They don't rob more because they get nothing left to rob. All the presidents but the 2 PAN and AMLO have been from this party since Mexico as a nation was created. Can't tell if left or right. They just politicians and they will strip you naked to the loving ground until your soul belongs to them. MORENA (Thats it) - AMLO personal party formed after the first time they stole the presidency from him. They say they are comunist socialist but none of them either. They call themselves, and this new fovernment the 4th transformation (4T). They too still a gently caress ton. Choose yours.
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MikeStmria posted:Because then you see this same people just asking for money because they have no food and are hungry, when the green light turns, they just go to the sidewalk and watch facebook for a while and come back at the next red sign Yes, and? A smartphone is a somewhat durable good, whereas one needs food every day. Sufficient food costs significantly more over the lifetime of the phone than the phone does. e: and as far as practical reasons to not get the cheapest model: weather resiliency. Ornedan fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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Det_no posted:The stipend is 1600 bi-monthly, fucko. Not enough for your fash fantasies to be true. I didn't know that, thanks for letting me know.
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Ornedan posted:Yes, and? A smartphone is a somewhat durable good, whereas one needs food every day. Sufficient food costs significantly more over the lifetime of the phone than the phone does. I want to make sure I understand what you are saying. You will rather buy yourself a nice phone instead of eating and/or feeding your family for 2 weeks?
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I always got the impression that PAN was liberal, that they privatized a bunch and let corporations run rough-shod over Mexico. I find it interesting that you claim the PRI has run things since Mexico as a nation has existed though I suppose more accurately we should say since the revolution. They became as corrupt as you may think but Cardenas seemed like he tried to live up to the ideals of the revolution somewhat. Macron made his own party to profit on his own victory and for successfully destroying the Socialist party in France. Everyone who joined, including himself, were just being opportunistic. It's an easy way to give yourself a majority.
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MikeStmria posted:Because then you see this same people just asking for money because they have no food and are hungry, when the green light turns, they just go to the sidewalk and watch facebook for a while and come back at the next red sign How many people have you seen in your lifetime on their (latest model) phones waiting to beg at intersections for money, and what's the total # of people below the poverty line in Mexico?
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MikeStmria posted:I want to make sure I understand what you are saying. People get the phones, or make other investments, in good moments.
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Wow all these replies debunking my concern trolling of anything remotely leftist are really interesting stuff I didn't know. Thanks for the responses.
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MikeStmria posted:I want to make sure I understand what you are saying. Maybe it's possible the person bought the phone before becoming impoverished or being homeless? People let's not just draw the usual battle lines, this guy's writing style and amusing typos makes me think he got his families' small business owner opinions via osmosis and is parroting those, basically born yesterday politically. He might learn a thing or two.
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MikeStmria posted:I don't have numbers, I only have the media images(That as I stated before can be an arguable proof since we can't be sure how true they are) and my personal friends experience on using it. Do you know how economies work? MikeStmria posted:I kinda of agree with you, risking to sound super clasist. I think there is also some people that deserve the help than others. I will rather help people that want to work, to get work or whatever. Than to people that don't even have the will to work and just want everything handed to them. This is mexico. You think there's anybody out there that doesn't want to work? The idea itself is loving ridiculous transplatation of American Right wing propaganda that is and of itself literally a lie to hurt poor people. That demographic does not exist in latin america. ThanosWasRight fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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it is an uncomfortable fact that economies rely on consumption of goods. consumption being capital-G Good is enormously inconvenient as far as environmentalism goes
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You people are forgetting we are discussing a totally made up fact: we don't know if people are buying "latest iphones " with their assistance money (and I really doubt that, if iphones are half as expensive in mexico as they are in brazil), the guy who brought us this information admitted above he has no numbers whatsoever to backup this claim, then presented a few pictures of children playing in stores as proof This and everything he says is the most typical latin american middle class bigot possible Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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100YrsofAttitude posted:I always got the impression that PAN was liberal, that they privatized a bunch and let corporations run rough-shod over Mexico. PAN is a right wing party, PRI was the equivalent of a social democratic party in Latin America that favored import substitution/industrialization as an economic model until western finance capital blew that up in the 1980s and imposed major austerity policies. Since then they've been neoliberal like people have been complaining about.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:I always got the impression that PAN was liberal, that they privatized a bunch and let corporations run rough-shod over Mexico. Well I say the PRI as in they have had the most presidents, I think before Fox (who the gently caress voted for him) got the chair, PRI had been ruling for at least 80 years, which yes its since almost the revolution. I am not sure how it was before the revolution because it was the imperial poo poo and all that poo poo show that happened but Porfirio Diaz, cool guy to me an rear end, but cool. bagual posted:Maybe it's possible the person bought the phone before becoming impoverished or being homeless? I know this is possible, and I don't think a situation like this is what I was addressing. Not the same going poor and having a good phone, and being poor and looking for a good phone. But anyways. Cup Runneth Over posted:How many people have you seen in your lifetime on their (latest model) phones waiting to beg at intersections for money, and what's the total # of people below the poverty line in Mexico? Far more than I would like, in fact. I have talked with the regular ones. The guy said that he prefered to do that because he got between 3k and 5k per day so it was easier than working. This convo was amm maybe 5 or 7 years ago. ThanosWasRight posted:Do you know how economies work? I have no idea why the quote is showing something and what I see is different. Refer to the quote before this. Also, again, I am not here to argue my point of view of AMLO I am here to know how people outside of Mexico see him, what they think and whats the world where they live about him. And yes, I have typos I'm sorry, english is not my first language.
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MikeStmria posted:Because then you see this same people just asking for money because they have no food and are hungry, when the green light turns, they just go to the sidewalk and watch facebook for a while and come back at the next red sign It's because they make more money doing that than in a actual job. Just like in the US. Where the same thing happens. Because capitalism is inefficient, doesn't work and the rent is too drat high. And it makes a lot more sense to tax everyone and pay them off so they don't have to sit at stoplights than anything else.
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Elias_Maluco posted:You people are forgetting we are discussing a totally made up fact: we don't know if people are buying "latest iphones " with their assistance money (and I really doubt that, if iphones are half as expensive in mexico as they are in brazil), the guy who brought us this information admitted above he has no numbers whatsoever to backup this claim, then presented a few pictures of children playing in stores as proof Well, if you read carefully, I multiple times stated that I didn't know if those things were true or not. And that I was just posting those as reference. It's funny you say I am a bigot when since the start I have come here to ask how people from other countries see AMLO and so far only one guy has replied that in France he looks good. Other than that everything has been about what I think and not what I came here to ask.
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I have no idea whether the things I'm saying are true or not, but I will tell you this my friends: I believe every loving word.
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You really shouldn't be so harsh on my posts since I have begun every single one of them with a reminder that I am an idiot loving bigoted dipshit rear end in a top hat who knows absolutely nothing and who would be right there with the other poors if I hadn't inherited my family's business. I'm just asking questions.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:You really shouldn't be so harsh on my posts since I have begun every single one of them with a reminder that I am an idiot loving bigoted dipshit rear end in a top hat who knows absolutely nothing and who would be right there with the other poors if I hadn't inherited my family's business. I'm just asking questions. Nailed it. Haven't inherited it tho
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MikeStmria posted:Nailed it. another young failson owned by primogeniture presumably
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MikeStmria posted:Far more than I would like, in fact. I have talked with the regular ones. The guy said that he prefered to do that because he got between 3k and 5k per day so it was easier than working. This convo was amm maybe 5 or 7 years ago. So you see one major grifter once every five to seven years and on this basis, you want to slash welfare for the poor. You loving suck. AMLO hasn't even been president for 5 years!!
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Cup Runneth Over posted:So you see one major grifter once every five to seven years and on this basis, you want to slash welfare for the poor. Probably and I am probably wrong but I don't consider that giving it to the ones thst loving do something for their lives slashing welfare
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Cup Runneth Over posted:
Technically he has. He declared himself the legitimate president in 2006 :P
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MikeStmria posted:Probably and I am probably wrong but I don't consider that giving it to the ones thst loving do something for their lives slashing welfare You criticized NiNi despite it being for people who attend job training. You're a full-of-poo poo hypocrite.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:You criticized NiNi despite it being for people who attend job training. You're a full-of-poo poo hypocrite. There are other jobs, like medical internship that recive no payment. Why this guys should recive a payment without studiing or working. this are the requisites to get that quote:Requisitos: El único requisito es tener entre 18 y 29 años de edad. El registro puede ser a través del siguiente enlace o mediante el censo que se realiza casa por casa. https://www.milenio.com/politica/becas-amlo-2019-como-registrarse-y-cuales-son-los-requisitos
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MikeStmria posted:I have come here to ask how people from other countries see AMLO Responding from Brazil, our media rarely covers anything about Mexico that's not in relation to the US, but the establishment in Brazil likes to pretend we are not in Latin America. Even the situation in Bolívia, which is a neighboring country, didn't get a whole week of coverage by most of our papers, at least from what I've seen. As for politically engaged Brazilians, leftists think AMLO is good, chuds think he's a commie (but they also think everyone is a communist, so take it with a grain of salt). As for my personal opinion, I have heard good things about him, but I recognize I don't understand the situation in Mexico well enough to drop any hot takes.
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ZearothK posted:Responding from Brazil, our media rarely covers anything about Mexico that's not in relation to the US, but the establishment in Brazil likes to pretend we are not in Latin America. Even the situation in Bolívia, which is a neighboring country, didn't get a whole week of coverage by most of our papers, at least from what I've seen. As for politically engaged Brazilians, leftists think AMLO is good, chuds think he's a commie (but they also think everyone is a communist, so take it with a grain of salt). This is interesting. Media here likes to sell us that he has a terrible standing with some countries in South America because he hasn't attended a single summit. And the whole Bolivia thing, all Evo Stuff was shaded by a swarm of Memes.
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MikeStmria posted:There are other jobs, like medical internship that recive no payment. Why this guys should recive a payment without studiing or working. Convenient of you to leave out the sentence before that: quote:Capacitación laboral: Se aplicará con 2.3 millones de jóvenes, será coordinado y operado por la Secretaría del Trabajo y Previsión Social (STyPS) y se vinculará a los beneficiarios con centros de trabajo para que reciban capacitación y tutorías. Se les entregará una beca de 3 mil 600 pesos mensuales hasta por un año.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Convenient of you to leave out the sentence before that: My point stands. They can apply it to double the people. Why people doing internships and studing don't get paid if they too are learning, but this guys can just because they are not working nor studying.
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MikeStmria posted:My point stands. They can apply it to double the people. So basically no one should get anything because the people who can afford to do internships and attend colleges don't get paid for it It's a scholarship, you moron, not a handout to anyone 18-29.
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