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goddamnedtwisto posted:There's optimism and there's delusion, and the people crowing about Twitter polls are definitely in the latter camp. Even if you personally believe Labour will lose, you should always behave as if they will win a crushing victory. It really helps others. If it doesn't happen then congratulations you have five years to wallow in misery and pessimism.
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The front pages seem to be either complaining that the debate was dull or touting the snap yougov poll 52/48 as a ‘big win’ for Boris so it’s pretty clear they didn’t get much they wanted out of it. Got to be happy with that.
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Necrothatcher posted:What's the point in being defeatist? If we lose we're going to feel like poo poo afterwards anyway and being upbeat is great for campaign morale going into the last week. Yeah I know. It's not stopping me going out today or whatever. I'm just personally struggling with it right now. I have to settle for defiance rather than hope in my current state Everyone else should ignore me and twisto
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Continuity RCP posted:if you're wallowing in despair gently caress off and do it privately Will do cheers. Laterz everyone Edit actually gently caress you I'm not wallowing I'm literally going canvassing this afternoon. Still I know I'm bad thread presence atm so sorry everyone else
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I know Pie has issues but sometimes he's right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjUWX6S8iYU
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I'm sorry that was unnecessarily confrontational. But we've had a decade to be miserable already
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Ergo calling Musk a pedo isn't defamation, right? Depends, are you a billionaire?
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I'm not mad at Reddit for saying the documents came from Russia, it's not like some random guy looked at the spelling of a post and made a decision - the server admins there are gonna have access to enough information regarding account/user networks, browsing/posting/voting patterns etc make a reasonable assessment - but they really should have waited a week to publish that statement. Instead I feel like the media is going to spend the last few days of the campaign trying to  HER EMAILS the whole situation.
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OwlFancier posted:If it makes you happy and makes you do good things you can be as delusional as you want as far as I'm concerned. Oh absolutely. But as much as I want a Corbyn Majority government, I don't think it's possible until we've crushed the media. But we can stop the bleeding of Tory rule, and we will do so on the 12th
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I mean if the Tories remain in power it's not like you're just powerless for five years. There is more than just electoral politics.
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Barry Foster posted:Will do cheers. Laterz everyone Continuity RCP posted:I'm sorry that was unnecessarily confrontational. But we've had a decade to be miserable already Easy comrades, this is what they want. Some aggressive reaction/exasperation is coming from some towards the pessimism because so many of us are actively campaigning, which requires a solid channelling of positive upbeat energy. Having that attacked/sapped by doomsayers because a poll is Bad For Jeremy really sucks. Especially when it comes to things we KNOW are designed to oppress/depress and we've got comrades falling for it anyway. As always: Occupy Every Single Space With Your Politics
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I really don't understand why the proceedings were issued in the states. The claimant is British and an English court is much more likely to make a finding of defamation.
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Yo-yo-ing from utter despair to supreme confidence and hope then back again. Every 5 mins is totally normal and isn't doing me any harm.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I really don't understand why the proceedings were issued in the states. The claimant is British and an English court is much more likely to make a finding of defamation. IANAL but I'd assume given the statement was made by an American Citizen who resides in America posted on an American Platform, if he sued him in the UK Musk would have absolutely no reason to show up?
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stev posted:The only issue with optimism is that a loss will be that little bit more crushing. Some argue that pessimism means you are less likely to be disappointed if things turn out badly, and I suppose that's true. But my view is that the pessimist spends their life dreading terrible things which may or may not happen. The optimist, however, spends their life feeling hope, and looking forward to the future. If something turns out badly, the optimist will be saddened at that moment, but the pessimist was sad the whole time, because they're scared to entertain hope and happiness. Please don't read this as an attack, or calling people silly for their pessimism. It's a very human response to difficult circumstances. But I don't believe it is some kind of wisdom. It's just as irrational as being over-optimistic, but it hurts. You're human. Unrelenting negativity hurts you, and harms you psychologically. I know this, because it's exactly what I used to do, and it hosed me up. My view now is to try to have hope, but to be ready to adjust to setbacks. And to consider them setbacks, not disasters. I generally don't put special effort towards planning for setbacks unless it's really vital to due to their immediate effects on me or those I care about, because I think that has similar harmful effects. We cannot predict everything, and that includes knowing which particular setbacks will occur. I try not to fear what might go wrong, but I try to be sensible and practical if it does. And to reiterate, there are circumstances where I must have a contingency plan for my own safety. But I try to recognise when that's not necessary, so I can have a happier life.
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Barry Foster posted:Will do cheers. Laterz everyone Its okay. The last time I came in here to voice my despair I had pages of people telling me to gently caress off and calling me a traitor. I'm also going canvassing this afternoon, as I did last weekend and the election before too. At least in person theres a sense of friendship and support even when your optimism drops. You won't get that here.
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sinky posted:Depends, are you a billionaire? According to cat law whatever I piss on is mine, so really it's an inevitability that I'll own at least one billionaire once I get my day in court with him
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I would not say from experience that pessimism makes bad things less unpleasant, I still feel like poo poo afterwards, and before, and during, and all the rest of the time.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I really don't understand why the proceedings were issued in the states. The claimant is British and an English court is much more likely to make a finding of defamation. The international legal system operates in a way to benefit the wealthier party you say!?!
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Continuity RCP posted:if you're wallowing in despair gently caress off and do it privately Please don't do this. People who are scared do not need yelling at. They need support. Sure, if someone does a Pissflaps and goes wild with it that's harmful and can be an appropriate time to become more adamant, but that's not happening here. We're all scared, to a greater or lesser extent. Let's be here for each other. Let's share our hope 
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PriorMarcus posted:Its okay. The last time I came in here to voice my despair I had pages of people telling me to gently caress off and calling me a traitor. I'm afraid I don't agree with you here, mate.
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i hope that my own personal pattern of going more rabidly left-wing with each year of tory rule extends to most of the millenial population, so at least if boris gets in we'll have a generation of flaming commies to rebuild the ashes he leaves behind. that's my contingency plan
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I'm neither optimistic or pessimistic, I'm just scared of how much hangs on this election. From a personal standpoint, I'm on universal credit and waiting for a PiP tribunal, so a Tory majority government could make me homeless within a month or two. And there are thousands worse off than me who won't survive long enough for another chance at a Labour government.
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Boris Johnson’s Claims on Nuclear Fusion Leave Scientists Baffled fuckin lol I didn't know Joris had been promising miniature nuclear fusion "any day now chaps"
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Two melts, one liberal and one fascist, little by little started to gnaw away the poll results. The man saw a socialist future near him. Disregarding the poll with one thought, he dreamed about the future with the other. How sweet it tasted!
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PriorMarcus posted:Its okay. The last time I came in here to voice my despair I had pages of people telling me to gently caress off and calling me a traitor. Post/av combo
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ItohRespectArmy posted:i was born in 1997, OP I was doing finals at uni around then  y'all far too young these days (but please save me from the Boomers and vote the Tories out kthxbye )
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Angepain posted:i hope that my own personal pattern of going more rabidly left-wing with each year of tory rule extends to most of the millenial population, so at least if boris gets in we'll have a generation of flaming commies to rebuild the ashes he leaves behind. that's my contingency plan Yeah I get the idea that the perception for a lot is that this is a final battle of a war that we're about to win or lose. Which I can totally understand, there's a loving large number of people at or near their limit, the prospect of 5 more years of Tories loving terrifies me and I'm not remotely as vulnerable to it as a lot of others.
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Tarnop posted:I'm neither optimistic or pessimistic, I'm just scared of how much hangs on this election. From a personal standpoint, I'm on universal credit and waiting for a PiP tribunal, so a Tory majority government could make me homeless within a month or two. And there are thousands worse off than me who won't survive long enough for another chance at a Labour government. Best of luck, friend. I've been through the process, though I was fortunate enough not to have to go to tribunal. Do not give the bastards an inch. Don't try to be helpful, because they will use it against you. They chose to make you an enemy, so you owe them nothing. Base your answers on your worst days, so they can't pretend you're actually fine. Look scruffy, because if you clean up that will be used against you. But all actually good people are on your side. Do you have someone arranged to accompany you? That's very important. There are advocacy services available, or even just a friend to have your back. Someone with experience of these things is best. Maybe Labour will get in and cancel your tribunal and just give you what you deserve. I loving hope so 
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Braggart posted:Some argue that pessimism means you are less likely to be disappointed if things turn out badly, and I suppose that's true. But my view is that the pessimist spends their life dreading terrible things which may or may not happen. The optimist, however, spends their life feeling hope, and looking forward to the future. If something turns out badly, the optimist will be saddened at that moment, but the pessimist was sad the whole time, because they're scared to entertain hope and happiness. I definitely remember reading about a study that found that optimists are usually wrong, and yet lead far happier lives. As a lifelong optimist that made me pretty happy!
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^^^ I think I read something that suggested optimists were far more successful at just about everything because they didn't just give up at the first sign of trouble or just not start given the (in many cases likely) chance of failure. Thanks, so many smilies on that list I must have scrolled right past! zhar fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Dec 7, 2019 |
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Braggart posted:Look scruffy, because if you clean up that will be used against you. Yeah I cannot emphasise this enough. I listened to a PIP assessor look my fiancee straight in the eyes when we were appealing losing her PIP (mental health/BPD) and say "well you can obviously dress and groom yourself" because one of the issues my fiancee suffers with is self image/other's perception so refuses to go _anywhere_ without "on a night out" levels of make up, literally her "war paint". Regardless of the loving hours of turmoil just leading up to the loving assessment. She was denied and couldn't face going to tribunals on top of trying to find work. It's awful to need to do but I can only recommend when you turn up you literally look like it's the worst day you've ever had. Wear the same set of clothes as often as you can, don't shower for a couple of days. I hate giving this advice but it's likely to work.
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Braggart posted:Best of luck, friend. I've been through the process, though I was fortunate enough not to have to go to tribunal. Do not give the bastards an inch. Don't try to be helpful, because they will use it against you. They chose to make you an enemy, so you owe them nothing. Base your answers on your worst days, so they can't pretend you're actually fine. Look scruffy, because if you clean up that will be used against you. But all actually good people are on your side. Thanks, I appreciate this. I've got local citizens advice handling the appeal, getting evidence etc, and a friend who will take me to the tribunal and sit through it. CAB can't provide an advocate but will coach me the day before. I hope Labour get in and fix this too, but I'm also hyper aware of the fact that I'm one Coalition Jo; away from PiP tribunal fees and another 5 year freeze (or even cuts) to benefits
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Bundy posted:Yeah I get the idea that the perception for a lot is that this is a final battle of a war that we're about to win or lose. Which I can totally understand, there's a loving large number of people at or near their limit, the prospect of 5 more years of Tories loving terrifies me and I'm not remotely as vulnerable to it as a lot of others. I begun writing a post carrying on from this about how much worse Boris is going to be than the previous years of pretending-to-be-nice/unable-to-accomplish-anything tories but I figure everyone in this thread already knows this and doesn't need to be reminded. godspeed, goons able to be actively involved in campaigning, every mp that isn't a tory or dup or brexit lol is a little victory
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Even if Boris gets a majority, there's little chance of Labour catapulting back to the right. We can get a newer, younger leader with less baggage for the press to attack. Brexit will happen and the Tories will lose by far their largest pull factor. Strongly Labour young people will get older and spread around the country, while new Labour voters will turn 18 and die-hard Tories will die off. Yes, the prospect of a Boris majority is depressing. But the Tories are propped up by old people. A transforming socialist Labour Party is in the UK's future.
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Bundy posted:Yeah I cannot emphasise this enough. I listened to a PIP assessor look my fiancee straight in the eyes when we were appealing losing her PIP (mental health/BPD) and say "well you can obviously dress and groom yourself" because one of the issues my fiancee suffers with is self image/other's perception so refuses to go _anywhere_ without "on a night out" levels of make up, literally her "war paint". Regardless of the loving hours of turmoil just leading up to the loving assessment. She was denied and couldn't face going to tribunals on top of trying to find work. This is not in any way an exaggeration. Do your research. They’re coming from a default position of “you are a loving liar”. Make too much eye contact? Points removed. Walk down the precisely measured corridor without showing pain? Points removed. Able to sit in the waiting room seats? Points removed. Don’t smell? Points removed. Not a joke.
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Anyone feeling handy with the felt tips? https://twitter.com/davies_will/status/1203246873366220800?s=20
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I think this is a good statement about the election. https://www.weareplanc.org/blog/a-hero-lies-in-you-plan-c-statement-on-the-uk-general-election/ quote:We challenge the idea that this is a ‘once in a lifetime opportunity’. This idea suggests that there is no power and no change outside of elections. This is the idea of those who only recognise the power of parliament. But we know from history that the truth is closer to the opposite: no change has ever been made in our favour without strike and struggle and social conflict. Power is in the streets, homes, and workplaces. No despair, comrades quote:After the election, succeed or fail, what next? The answer lies beyond elections; it lies in all of us; it lies in movements. The idea of one hero, one election, one moment is a myth our society sells us; it can paralyse us from taking action. What we desperately need to be doing is reorganising society so that we are able to meet our own needs, so that we control our own social reproduction. ContinuityNewTimes fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Dec 7, 2019 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Anyone feeling handy with the felt tips? Love me some postmodern Neo-Marxism.
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