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This is what happens when Americans start being allowed to gum up your elections. They'll probably try and import the poo poo Labour and you all have been dealing with in the UK for next year's election in the US. https://twitter.com/neeratanden/status/1203663963197718530 Especially when Sanders wins the primary. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Dec 8, 2019 |
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Dec 8, 2019 17:48
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an_mutt posted:Yeah, I've been catching up with the thread and while it's a little distressing to think about how Labour strongholds like Bolsover are seemingly vulnerable, and that the "traditional white working class" are shifting from Labour to Tory, I think that's not the sign of Tories winning as much as it is a sign of voting patters transforming into something the country hasn't seen before. This election is coming down to the generational gap that will define the transition into the next decade - the old are rich, sociopathic, and are completely unwilling to even contemplate the idea that maybe the lifestyle they've cherished and withheld from others will lead to the demise of their younger relatives. They will vote to protect their own interests and their own blissful ignorance. Young people across the entire country are finally mobilizing to seize democratic representation because we've realised nobody else will, and we are a significant voting block. Just like with Bolsover etc., there are now also Tory "stronghold" seats that - as a result of this surge in youth voting - will be vulnerable to Labour this time around. Uxbridge holds the loving Prime Minister, and had a 10,000+ majority four years ago, but is now a very realistic gain for Labour thanks to what is primarily a socialist youth movement. I'm wondering this too, if we don't end up doing all change with seats going all over the place. Sadly with the tories having a lot more safe seats than we do, I worry that will lead to a lot of losses.
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Dec 8, 2019 17:49
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Nonsense posted:This is what happens when Americans start being allowed to gum up your elections. They'll probably try and import the poo poo Labour and you all have been dealing with in the UK for next year's election in the US. https://twitter.com/tomwatson/status/1203669512895238144 That there's two and they're both pathetic is annoying.
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Dec 8, 2019 17:51
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I really need Labour to win for the sake of my mental health. Austerity killed my uncle (cut mental heath services meant an obviously suicidal man didn’t get the help he needed, despite my very best efforts). I dunno how I can square up being a member of a country that thinks it’s okay to vote for the death of the vulnerable to further enrich those that don’t need the money anymore. It’s properly loving my head up. This isn’t a very constructive post, sorry.
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Dec 8, 2019 17:52
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I mean you didn't ask to be a member and you're under no obligation to feel any fellowship with the assholes that think that on the grounds of occupying the same landmass.
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Dec 8, 2019 17:53
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In 2017 the Tories were crowing that Bolsover was going Tory in a landslide. So take it with a pinch of salt, please.
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Dec 8, 2019 18:02
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Nonsense posted:This is what happens when Americans start being allowed to gum up your elections. They'll probably try and import the poo poo Labour and you all have been dealing with in the UK for next year's election in the US. as well as being MI5 omar katerji is a lib dem anyway isn't he
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Dec 8, 2019 18:05
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Nonsense posted:This is what happens when Americans start being allowed to gum up your elections. They'll probably try and import the poo poo Labour and you all have been dealing with in the UK for next year's election in the US. Looking forwards to hearing the talking-head segment debating whether Sanders is an antisemite, or just all his supporters are. Then that seguing straight into breaking news that he can't even eat a bacon sandwich correctly, as the anchor winks theatrically to camera.
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Dec 8, 2019 18:15
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Desiderata posted:Looking forwards to hearing the talking-head segment debating whether Sanders is an antisemite, or just all his supporters are. I mean they've already started with calling him antisemitic.
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Dec 8, 2019 18:17
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Nic cage's career really went down the shitter.
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Dec 8, 2019 18:17
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Dec 8, 2019 18:20
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I mean they've already started with calling him antisemitic. But he's Jewish 
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Dec 8, 2019 18:23
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sinky posted:But he's Jewish You're not operating on a sufficiently high level of antisemitism brain.
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Dec 8, 2019 18:24
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an_mutt posted:how Labour strongholds like Bolsover are seemingly vulnerable this entire narrative is based on people deliberately conflating the two uses of the word "majority" which started happening after the last election. look:  in the horse race sense that you measure how candidates do against one another, dennis' majority was cut. in the sense that he got a majority of all of the votes, his majority increased. unlike the gains the conservative candidate got - almost a perfect 1:1 with UKIP collapse - skinner got 1.5 thousand more people to vote for him. decent turnout too, only 5 points behind the national average. if dennis skinner loses his seat either some fraction of his voter base went tory, a significant fraction would need to go to some other party or the tories manage to register and motivate a bunch of people who didn't vote last election. if every single 2017 non-labour voter voted for the conservatives they still would have lost. it's not impossible but it would be exceptional unless skinner becomes very unpopular with his constituency, and although i don't live there my impression was he's one of the most popular.
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Dec 8, 2019 18:25
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Dec 8, 2019 18:25
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https://twitter.com/CeylanWrites/status/1203639235020050432 quote:Charlie Corbett, 20, a first-time voter who has already mailed in his postal ballot, said he had registered only because his parents had pressured him. He stood out for not sharing his fellow students’ enthusiasm for defeating the Tories and Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s drive to “get Brexit done.”
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Dec 8, 2019 18:25
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I want to throw this horror into the mix. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18086052.boris-johnson-compared-post-dunblane-gun-crackdown-nanny-confiscating-toys/?ref=fbshr Because guns are more important than dead kids, right???
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Dec 8, 2019 18:25
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sinky posted:But he's Jewish Yeah but he's one 'o them self hatin' jews. E: Jesus, I went looking for the simpsons meme and found something much darker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0wbApVCWnc
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Dec 8, 2019 18:26
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I met one of the unicorn voters yesterday. A woman in her 70s and a lovely big old house. Spent the entire conversation jabbing her finger in my face and making incoherent word-noises about ‘that idiot Corbyn moving the goalposts’. She could not explain what she meant by this beyond ‘he was a Leaver and now he’s Remain’, shouted over anything I tried to reply with and straight up told me she didn’t care about any local issues I brought up, workers rights, social care etc. I asked the board runner and she told us she was voting for us in 2017. They do exist (dementia interfaces strangely with the media culture we’ve got). But I’ve literally met one, and I do my canvassing in a distressingly white, post-industrial Northern area.
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Dec 8, 2019 18:27
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personally, I'm looking forward to seeing how they attempt to label Bernard Sanders as the greatest threat to Jewish people in the entire world https://mobile.twitter.com/simonwiesenthal/status/1203450790481813504?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Dec 8, 2019 18:30
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People lining up to publish their serious takes about how antisemtiism is bad in the paper that supported hitler never ceases to surprise.
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Dec 8, 2019 18:32
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No need for the comma there, Matthew.
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Dec 8, 2019 18:33
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Tesseraction posted:In 2017 the Tories were crowing that Bolsover was going Tory in a landslide. Yeah I have no idea where this "Bolsover is going blue" shite from them is coming from. The Beast's been there for half a century and they think this election cycle, with these dipshits in charge, is the one where he falls? e; CoolCab explains the trick they're trying to pull. Isomermaid posted:Nicholas Beige 
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Dec 8, 2019 18:33
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XMNN posted:personally, I'm looking forward to seeing how they attempt to label Bernard Sanders as the greatest threat to Jewish people in the entire world https://mobile.twitter.com/simonwiesenthal/status/1203450790481813504?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet One of the comments said that Sanders is no. 10 on this list but gently caress if I'm going to click a mail link for any reason. Also apparently in 2016 no. 1 was Obama loving lol That aside, it's nice to see how there do seem to have been some more prominent pro-Corbyn Jewish voices coming out recently, even if they're only on Twitter. RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Dec 8, 2019 |
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Dec 8, 2019 18:35
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OwlFancier posted:People lining up to publish their serious takes about how antisemtiism is bad in the paper that supported hitler never ceases to surprise.
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Ms Adequate posted:Yeah I have no idea where this "Bolsover is going blue" shite from them is coming from. The Beast's been there for half a century and they think this election cycle, with these dipshits in charge, is the one where he falls? because it fits the narratives they've been desperately trying to push - that the labour heartlands will flip over any minute because they voted leave in the brexit referendum. corbyn is a metropolitan elite and can't connect with the Real Working Class - who are ironically named as they don't care at all about class and are uniformly racist dullards with funny accents. skinner is a contradiction to this lie and his success in bolsover is even moreso, so bolstover will always be reported as two steps away from tory.
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RabidWeasel posted:One of the comments said that Sanders is no. 10 on this list but gently caress if I'm going to click a mail link for any reason. I accidentally clicked through because my phone is crap and, spoiler alert, it's all nebulous poo poo about how he "mainstreamed" antisemitism and the polls that say Jewish people are afraid of Corbyn being PM (which definitely doesn't have anything to do with the constant articles about how he's literally Hitler, I'm sure)
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Dec 8, 2019 18:43
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Thurrock - 300-vote lead for the Tories in 2017 in what's probably the most-Leave constituency in the south-east, and one where the Labour leaver>UKIP>Tory pipeline has been in full effect. a big swing in either direction here will give a pretty good sign of what way the election's going. Wait, I spend all week in Thurrock and the Momentum app was telling me to go to Dagenham, why wouldn't it tell me to go to somewhere like Thurrock which is closer?
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Dec 8, 2019 18:46
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Polls are a method of shaping the narrative more than anything... Though I'm increasingly convinced some areas are just lost. I'm originally from Mansfield, and I hold little hope for the from everything I'm seeing. Edit :style pages are swinging like hell the other way though
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Dec 8, 2019 18:49
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apparently someone has scrawled Nazi all over the vote labour board outside my house these people are scum 
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RabidWeasel posted:One of the comments said that Sanders is no. 10 on this list but gently caress if I'm going to click a mail link for any reason. Also apparently in 2016 no. 1 was Obama loving lol 2019 has him as not just the #1 anti-semite, but he number 1# threat to the lives of Jewish people worldwide (ahead of, among others, a nazi who shot up a synagogue), and the report was brought forward so it came out before the election. The full report doesn't seem to be out yet, I'm pretty certain they gave an advance copy to the Heil specifically so they could do that article. Quotes include: “‘No one has done more to mainstream antisemitism into the political and social life of a democracy than the Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour Party" “If Jeremy Corbyn wins, he will make Britain a pariah on the world stage. To have a person seeking the highest office who ignored anti-Semitism for years, who did everything in his power to encourage it is shocking.” "Members and staff who have dared to speak out against the hate were purged, but not those who declared 'Heil Hitler' and 'F*** the Jews." It's genuinely sickening.
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J. Corbs is coming to town tomorrow, hoping I can bunk off uhhh I mean work from home so I can go see him.
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Dec 8, 2019 19:04
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Apraxin posted:Quotes include: Surely, this is getting into libellous territory? We've already had a case where Jewish Chronicle has had to print a retraction. Problem is that nothing will actually come of it until months after the election.
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Dec 8, 2019 19:05
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I have to say, if I were of a more conspiratorial mind, the Simon Wiesenthal Center going to bat for the Tories and their very rich mates, over a man who has spent his life fighting all kinds of bigotry, would really make me  about what "The Jews" are up to.As we've been saying, of course, this nonsense will hurt Jews more than anyone, because an awful lot of people are going to either start going "You sabotaged our hopes for [thing we want], gently caress the Jews!" or "Wow there's a lot of noise about nothing, I guess antisemitism isn't a real problem anymore."
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XMNN posted:apparently someone has scrawled Nazi all over the vote labour board outside my house Are those guys even still going? 
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Guavanaut posted:
Yeah, it's actually called Miwknorf Saaf.
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kecske posted:cans dont have flared bases Sharing a few tins with the lads 
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