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Yeah I said IF they did. Obviously I guess they don't, those feckless assholes!
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Anidav posted:https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/1203634300173766656?s=19 I mean I didn’t know what I expected but loving hell Is that Leunig thing legit? After his last scandal how is that not being reported?
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Albanese is throwing his support behind the coal industry saying we should keep selling our coal because the demand will remain even if we stop. "So it would not reduce emissions - which has to be the objective. I don't see a contradiction between that and having a stong climate change policy."
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Purk posted:Albanese is throwing his support behind the coal industry saying we should keep selling our coal because the demand will remain even if we stop. except, as Albo should know, Australia exports just over 1/4 (26%) of the world's coal. if we were to stop selling, it would drive prices up, thus reducing demand. it's probably one of the biggest impacts we could make on global emissions. e: 1/4, not 1/3 source: https://www.iea.org/reports/coal-information-2019 The Before Times fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Dec 8, 2019 |
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Anidav posted:https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/1203634300173766656?s=19 Lol hahahaha
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I can't believe the Australian public has made Scomo the new John Howard. I can't believe we are starting again. I mean that while thing about Australia being 10 years behind the rest of the world politically, feels like 30 years now. Leader after Albanese? A hopeless clod. Greens forming government before climate change becomes irreversible? Unlikely. This is hosed. You dream of a better society and all you get is despair. 
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The Before Times posted:except, as Albo should know, Australia exports just over 1/4 (26%) of the world's coal. if we were to stop selling, it would drive prices up, thus reducing demand. it's probably one of the biggest impacts we could make on global emissions. but others would start mining it. and then their rich friends wouldn't give them cushy jobs or money. so no, that's a dumb idea.
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Now, China is BY FAR the largest producer of coal, so if Australia were to bow out of the market, they might decide to fill that gap. Except they're also the largest consumer of coal so who knows how much they'd actually export. Another complicating factor is the quality of the coal. Australia's coal exports are 'cleaner' than most and you can burn less of it to get the same amount of energy as 'dirty' coal. If someone else were to come in and fill that market, emissions could actually increase. Depends on whether the US or China decide to export more (but they both use most of their coal domestically iirc). The Before Times fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Dec 8, 2019 |
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Hard to imagine why the Liberals have increased in popularity given the the incredible vision of an alternative government presented by Anthony Albanese
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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/bill-shorten-least-popular-leader-since-1990-election-study-20191208-p53hz3.html "The study of the May election found that Mr Morrison was the most popular leader since Kevin Rudd led Labor to the 2007 election, using a popularity scale of zero to 10 and drawing on surveys with thousands of voters." "The study found that Mr Shorten was the least popular leader of any major political party since 1990."
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Lmao how the gently caress did Morrison come anywhere close to Kevin 07 campaign. What the gently caress is wrong with this place.
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Study found big business has too much power Study also found climate change to be a major concern. 80 percent of study participants disapproved of the leadership change and felt it undermines democracy. Study funds Morrison most popular leader since Kevin 07 
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Anidav posted:I can't believe the Australian public has made Scomo the new John Howard. I think it’s time to admit that the only reason the left made any progress in the 20th century was the Cold War. Now it’s over we’re going back to robber barons and pinkerons.
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What was the last major progressive victory? Medicare I guess.
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Don Dongington posted:Also apparently there was a Wall of Death during a Veronica's set at Good Things today and what the poo poo is 2019. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02I6HKyUOkM
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Morrison is more popular than Abbott, Gillard, Turnbull and *checks notes* Brendan Nelson?
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Amethyst posted:What was the last major progressive victory? Medicare I guess. We just had marriage equality, even if it was just a cynical attempt to wedge the government.
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Amethyst posted:I think it’s time to admit that the only reason the left made any progress in the 20th century was the Cold War. Now it’s over we’re going back to robber barons and pinkerons. Don't you mean job creators and battlers?
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:We just had marriage equality, even if it was just a cynical attempt to wedge the government. Fits in snugly with capitalist ideology.
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lol under 35s cast more votes for the Greens than the Libs
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Anidav posted:Study found big business has too much power the electorate is simply too stupid for any progress to be achieved
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This study is basically saying Abbott would've won
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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-says-australia-should-continue-to-export-coal-20191208-p53hyp.html Albanese says Australia should continue to export coal quote:Labor leader Anthony Albanese has backed the case for Australian coal exports amid a divisive debate on shutting down the trade to act on climate change, arguing it would be wrong to damage the industry and its workers.
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Anidav posted:This study is basically saying Abbott would've won Is that really so hard to believe after seeing Morrison win?
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If only Krudd knifed Bill before the last election…
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Abbott's only tactical error was overestimating the average punter.
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The story there isn’t that Morrison is popular. He scored 5.1 where Gillard scores 4.9 The story is voter cynicism. Since Kevin Rudd got knifed people have zero faith in the political system. Cynics aren’t going to vote for climate action because they don’t believe it will be implemented. Same with socialist policy. They’ll vote nationalist.
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Anidav posted:Excuse me hambeet is this brexit? I'm pro quexit
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bell jar posted:https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/albanese-says-australia-should-continue-to-export-coal-20191208-p53hyp.html I mean He's not exactly wrong here. Any attempt to shut down coal exports or production here will just be filled by countries with lower standards. I don't know what the solution is for Australia, the island nation full of resources in the ground.
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Anidav posted:I mean He’s only right if you’re cynical to the core about global efforts to reduce emissions. If nations like Australia showed leadership and got serious about fossil fuels the demands for enforceable global standards would have teeth.
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Anidav posted:I don't know what the solution is for Australia, the island nation full of resources in the ground. If only we could have spent the last quarter century preparing for this transition.
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Anidav posted:I mean Why haven’t countries with lower standards already undercut Australia’s offerings? In the global race for the bottom, how is it that Australian mining is still viable and profitable compared to exploiting developing countries?
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Mad Katter posted:If only we could have spent the last quarter century preparing for this transition. Some sort of price on externalities that could be used to fund the transition?
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BBJoey posted:Why haven’t countries with lower standards already undercut Australia’s offerings? In the global race for the bottom, how is it that Australian mining is still viable and profitable compared to exploiting developing countries? big coal
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Channels 9 and 7 won the culture war 20 years ago. Rudd was just a hiccup caused by Murdoch thinking he had another Tony Blair on his hands, and was easily dispensed when that turned out to be untrue. Scomo could have lit the fires himself and it wouldn't matter worth a drat. By the time The Block Watchers are a small enough bloc that we see a Labor/greens majority again, it'll be too late.
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BBJoey posted:Why haven’t countries with lower standards already undercut Australia’s offerings? In the global race for the bottom, how is it that Australian mining is still viable and profitable compared to exploiting developing countries? Yeah. Induced demand.
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