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Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

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regulargonzalez posted:

I haven't read them in decades but this feels like one of the Well World books

If you're thinking Jack Chalker you're probably thinking of Web of the Chozen, where a bonkers AI created a virus to change the inhabitants of a religious colony into four-legged things with a weird reproductive system (well, dur, Chalker's the case study for weird sex stuff in SF before the Internet came along. Well, one of them....) Scout lands, gets changed, finds out he can still control his spaceship because it's hands-free, escapes and infects the galaxy, everyone lives happily ever after as four-legged egg-laying things.

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Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Runcible Cat posted:

If you're thinking Jack Chalker you're probably thinking of Web of the Chozen, where a bonkers AI created a virus to change the inhabitants of a religious colony into four-legged things with a weird reproductive system (well, dur, Chalker's the case study for weird sex stuff in SF before the Internet came along. Well, one of them....) Scout lands, gets changed, finds out he can still control his spaceship because it's hands-free, escapes and infects the galaxy, everyone lives happily ever after as four-legged egg-laying things.

:stare:

What's with Chalker and horse sex? Didn't one character, turned into a donkey, have intercourse with another character, turned into a centaur, in one of the Well of Souls books?

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

:stare:

What's with Chalker and horse sex? Didn't one character, turned into a donkey, have intercourse with another character, turned into a centaur, in one of the Well of Souls books?

Trap sprung, but a character who's had his mind put in a deer (as an emergency medical procedure) has sex with another character who's been turned into a centaur in the first one. The later ones have a character who gets half-turned into a donkey (limbs and ears) and, later, her boyfriend who she ordered the same thing done to when he was a child with severe burns and, well, later.

(I read the things when I was too young to know better, and they stick in the memory. Oh god, do they stick in the memory.)

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Runcible Cat posted:

Trap sprung, but a character who's had his mind put in a deer (as an emergency medical procedure) has sex with another character who's been turned into a centaur in the first one. The later ones have a character who gets half-turned into a donkey (limbs and ears) and, later, her boyfriend who she ordered the same thing done to when he was a child with severe burns and, well, later.

(I read the things when I was too young to know better, and they stick in the memory. Oh god, do they stick in the memory.)

Yikes to the Yikes

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

Yikes to the Yikes

They get even yikesier. And that's even without the later series (plural) where he got into making women superobese with magic, and the various magical/sf ways of making women (and occasionally men in women's bodies) into mindcontrolled superhot nympho sex slaves, and oh god why did you remind me of this poo poo. Dude was basically a Voltron of horrible internet fetish communities before the internet existed.

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy
Goodness, no. That is not what I’m looking for. None of it.

My horse-people were plains horse-people, not spacefaring horse-people.

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Runcible Cat posted:

They get even yikesier. And that's even without the later series (plural) where he got into making women superobese with magic, and the various magical/sf ways of making women (and occasionally men in women's bodies) into mindcontrolled superhot nympho sex slaves, and oh god why did you remind me of this poo poo. Dude was basically a Voltron of horrible internet fetish communities before the internet existed.

So you are saying there’s a mainstream author preview than piers Anthony?

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

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Hughlander posted:

So you are saying there’s a mainstream author preview than piers Anthony?

Is that autocorrectese for pervier? Philip Jose Farmer is shoving his way to the front of the crowd and glaring at everyone. But yeah. There is always more and it is always worse, as they say...

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Runcible Cat posted:

Is that autocorrectese for pervier? Philip Jose Farmer is shoving his way to the front of the crowd and glaring at everyone. But yeah. There is always more and it is always worse, as they say...

Yes :effort: phone typing and I thought I fixed it.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
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Wikipedia posted:

The Well World series is a series of science fiction novels by Jack L. Chalker. It involves a planet-sized supercomputer known as the Well of Souls that builds our reality on top of an underlying one of greater complexity but smaller size. The computer was built by a now-extinct race, the Markovians, who developed the Well of Souls with the goal of creating a new species that would transcend their own.

The Well World is the planet that houses the Well of Souls, and it exists within the original Markovian reality. Its surface was used as an experimental site where the Markovians tested their species designs before sending the successful ones into the new universe to populate planets. Humans are one of many such designed species who now live in the "real" world. During the time period of the novels, the Well World has been abandoned and left on its own for an unknown length of time.
Sounds neat! I'll check it out!

Runcible Cat posted:

They get even yikesier. And that's even without the later series (plural) where he got into making women superobese with magic, and the various magical/sf ways of making women (and occasionally men in women's bodies) into mindcontrolled superhot nympho sex slaves, and oh god why did you remind me of this poo poo. Dude was basically a Voltron of horrible internet fetish communities before the internet existed.
On second thoughts... :yikes:

NinjaDebugger
Apr 22, 2008


Splicer posted:

Sounds neat! I'll check it out!

On second thoughts... :yikes:

Chalker has some low lows, but also some really fantastic stuff, especially The Wonderland Gambit. He has a Thing, and that Thing is body swapping/alteration, so if you can't deal with that, stay far away.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

Absurd Alhazred posted:

:stare:

What's with Chalker and horse sex? Didn't one character, turned into a donkey, have intercourse with another character, turned into a centaur, in one of the Well of Souls books?

why do you people read this poo poo

NinjaDebugger posted:

Chalker has some low lows, but also some really fantastic stuff, especially The Wonderland Gambit. He has a Thing, and that Thing is body swapping/alteration, so if you can't deal with that, stay far away.

like this mentality is the craziest nerd poo poo to me. yeah he's into centaur breeding forced bimboification and magical inflation but other than that there's some top notch stuff in there

chernobyl kinsman fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Dec 8, 2019

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

chernobyl kinsman posted:

why do you people read this poo poo

It was in the library under "science fiction" when I was a teenager and it sounded interesting on the surface. :shrug:

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

Absurd Alhazred posted:

It was in the library under "science fiction" when I was a teenager and it sounded interesting on the surface. :shrug:

yeah i dunno man if i caught my teen reading thinly-veiled donkey erotica i would immediately force him to join the YPG

yaffle
Sep 15, 2002

Flapdoodle

chernobyl kinsman posted:

why do you people read this poo poo


I literally went through the library shelves in alphabetical order and read everything with that Victor Gollancz SF yellow spine.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

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chernobyl kinsman posted:

yeah i dunno man if i caught my teen reading thinly-veiled donkey erotica i would immediately force him to join the YPG
You just don't appreciate the classics

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

chernobyl kinsman posted:

yeah i dunno man if i caught my teen reading thinly-veiled donkey erotica i would immediately force him to join the YPG

My parents did not care what I was reading. Lolita as a teenager? Librarian was concerned, parents were not. Anne Rice as a teen? No one caresssss.

I wish they did care though, no one should be allowed to read Piers Anthony in middle school.

NinjaDebugger
Apr 22, 2008


chernobyl kinsman posted:

like this mentality is the craziest nerd poo poo to me. yeah he's into centaur breeding forced bimboification and magical inflation but other than that there's some top notch stuff in there

The idea that if someone writes one bad/skeevy book, or has one hosed up fetish, nothing they write can ever possibly be good is the dumbest loving poo poo to me, so we're pretty much even.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

StrixNebulosa posted:

no one should be allowed to read Piers Anthony

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Absurd Alhazred posted:


StrixNebulosa posted:
no one should be allowed to read Piers Anthony


I’ll maintain you can mark 3 epochs of a nerd as when they discover piers Anthony and when they come to realize what absolute poo poo it is.

NinjaDebugger
Apr 22, 2008


Hughlander posted:

I’ll maintain you can mark 3 epochs of a nerd as when they discover piers Anthony and when they come to realize what absolute poo poo it is.

I can't dispute this, try though I might.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

NinjaDebugger posted:

The idea that if someone writes one bad/skeevy book, or has one hosed up fetish, nothing they write can ever possibly be good is the dumbest loving poo poo to me, so we're pretty much even.

"other than the horsefucking, how was the play, mrs. lincoln?"

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

Hughlander posted:

I’ll maintain you can mark 3 epochs of a nerd as when they discover piers Anthony and when they come to realize what absolute poo poo it is.

yeah i dunno dude even at age 14 i could tell that a dude who wrote a book titled "the colour of her panties" was probably not worth my time and i read a lot of fantasy garbage

branedotorg
Jun 19, 2009

yaffle posted:

I literally went through the library shelves in alphabetical order and read everything with that Victor Gollancz SF yellow spine.

Same. When I hit time enough for love I had a definite pause though... And the John Varley titan series nailed home that I really didn't have to read everything marked SciFi.

(On topic because of centaur sex)

froglet
Nov 12, 2009

You see, the best way to Stop the Boats is a massive swarm of autonomous armed dogs. Strafing a few boats will stop the rest and save many lives in the long term.

You can't make an Omelet without breaking a few eggs. Vote Greens.
Okay since you all are really good at finding obscure fantasy books of yesteryear please help me remember this one.

It's a fantasy book, it was maybe for young adults (like I think some of the more mature themes went over my head because I had a reading age of a young adult but was probably too young to understand a lot of it), and I would have read it in the late 90's/early 00's. Each chapter started with a little in-universe proverb and some of them were about dragons like "if you want to understand dragons, find a girl with green eyes".

The main character is a girl with green eyes who feels like she doesn't fit in with her community of brown eyed people (she lives with her aunt and uncle who are both brown eyed). Oh and her mum is either dead or missing but also had green eyes like her (... I think).

Then some guy takes her along on an adventure involving dragons or something because she has GREEN EYES and that apparently means she's qualified? It's not clear, I would have been like 11 when I read it.

Oh and pottery (or spinning??) is a thing she does, like the book starts and ends with her doing some sort of pottery thing??

Anyways, I vaguely recall it being a series but the library didn't have any others in the series.

froglet fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Dec 9, 2019

wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!
I've definitely never read that book but searching for dragons and green eyes got me to this author, whose Dragon Chronicles books seem to fit the right timeline:

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/119933.Susan_Fletcher

froglet
Nov 12, 2009

You see, the best way to Stop the Boats is a massive swarm of autonomous armed dogs. Strafing a few boats will stop the rest and save many lives in the long term.

You can't make an Omelet without breaking a few eggs. Vote Greens.

wizzardstaff posted:

I've definitely never read that book but searching for dragons and green eyes got me to this author, whose Dragon Chronicles books seem to fit the right timeline:

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/119933.Susan_Fletcher

Yeah that first one is it!

Just goes to show how poo poo I am at google, haha.

Edit: I laughed when I saw one of the reviews mentions the themes are a bit too mature for the target age the book is marketed at. They're absolutely right.

froglet fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Dec 9, 2019

Gambrinus
Mar 1, 2005
Trying this again.

I read this around 1990 (could be a couple of years either side) when I was a kid in the UK. I'm pretty sure it was part of a short story horror collection. I'm almost certain it was a hardcover book, primarily blue in colour.

It had a bit of a Lovecraftian feel to it.

All I can remember is that a man buys a statue in some kind of weird pose from a shop. He then imitates this pose when falling asleep and is transported to some ?other dimension?. The first time he imitates the pose he was unsuccessful, so had to do it again, with a better imitation of the pose.

A "pine cone" made out of human fingernails was also mentioned.

wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!
I don't know why I am compelled to google these things I have never heard of but I like sleuthing stuff down.

This sounds like "Die Pflanzen des Doktor Cinderella" by Gustav Meyrink. I can't find the actual story in English (I don't even know if it's available in English; is that the language you read it in?) but it is cited in chapter 4 of Media, Modernity and Dynamic Plants in Early 20th Century German Culture.




wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!
For reference the winning google search string was horror "short story" statue sleep pose -clown -russian -prince fingernail "pine cone".

Gambrinus
Mar 1, 2005

wizzardstaff posted:

I don't know why I am compelled to google these things I have never heard of but I like sleuthing stuff down.

This sounds like "Die Pflanzen des Doktor Cinderella" by Gustav Meyrink. I can't find the actual story in English (I don't even know if it's available in English; is that the language you read it in?) but it is cited in chapter 4 of Media, Modernity and Dynamic Plants in Early 20th Century German Culture.






loving hell, I'm pretty certain that's it! My googling was going nowhere.

Yes, I read it in English, so there must be a translation out there somewhere. Thank you!

Gambrinus
Mar 1, 2005
I've been after that story, off and on, for over twenty years.

Gambrinus
Mar 1, 2005
This is the book (it was partially blue...)

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4365296-ghost-stories

wizzardstaff
Apr 6, 2018

Zorch! Splat! Pow!

Gambrinus posted:

I've been after that story, off and on, for over twenty years.

Cool, there is a lot of poo poo going on that I feel powerless to make right, but I can still make some small things better.

Gambrinus
Mar 1, 2005

wizzardstaff posted:

Cool, there is a lot of poo poo going on that I feel powerless to make right, but I can still make some small things better.

Just stuck it in my Amazon basket. Thank you.

tildes
Nov 16, 2018

wizzardstaff posted:

For reference the winning google search string was horror "short story" statue sleep pose -clown -russian -prince fingernail "pine cone".

This was a heroic effort, cannot believe you found this.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

NinjaDebugger posted:

Chalker has some low lows, but also some really fantastic stuff, especially The Wonderland Gambit.

The Cybernetic Walrus posted:

The strange fact about the reflection in the mirrors was that it wasn't me and yet I somehow knew it wouldn't be. Well, it was sort of like my old self, but maybe the ideal old self, with a body that was perfectly pumped up, muscular, in peak condition, and a lean face with neatly trimmed beard and sur­prisingly long brown hair to the shoulders—my color, but without a hint of gray. I was also a lot hairier than I was be­fore, and, frankly, I had the size dick I'd always thought I wanted instead of the one nature had given me.

Sheesh! I even had an earring and a tattoo on one shoulder of a cartoon blond overendowed bimbo in a sexy and fairly pornographic pose. It looked professional, and was in full color.

Was this what they were saying? How could this be real, and yet, and yet, it looked real, felt real, was real in every
way I could ever measure reality.
How could this be merely a program in my mind? I felt everything, even the little aches and pains we all have in the body, and an itchy spot on my thigh...

I washed my face off in the sink and it felt absolutely nor­mal, the same as it always felt, then I walked back into the bedroom and suddenly stopped dead.

I was still stark naked in the luxurious bedroom, but I wasn't alone. Two voluptuous young women stood there, one by the bed and the other by the entry door. The closer one was a blond bombshell, not quite the human equivalent of the tattoo on my shoulder but close enough for my tastes; the other was a different but no less stacked and sexy redhead. Both of them were surefire centerfold material, neither looked older than eighteen, and the only thing either of them was wearing was a string bikini bottom, which was still more than I had on.

They had those vacant bimbo eyes and expressions and didn't seem at all taken aback by my appearance.

"What is thy will, my lord?" the blond asked me in one of those very high and perfect dumb blond voices.
hm

The Cybernetic Walrus posted:

Cindy allowed herself to be led back to the bed again, and Wilma, who'd had some little experience with needles helping out on the reservation, looked at the arm, found a vein, and stabbed.

"Ow! That hurts!"

But aside from a tiny bruise, it all seemed to go in without killing her.

Now we waited. The drug really didn't take long to kick in; maybe a couple of minutes before it was obvious, with that big, dumb smile and the slow, sexy movements and self-caressing. Wilma bent down and ran a fingernail gently down Cynthia's abdomen and you'd have thought the drugged woman had died and gone to heaven. She also began lightly to sing, mostly nonsense stuff without even a solid tune, and was clearly way out.

I lay down beside her and began to caress her myself and she responded incredibly, and I tried to continue while clearing my mind as much as possible of almost everything else and just getting very, very turned on. Emotion, unthinking emotion, letting it flow until you caught the connection, that was the key. If only it could work...

Now Wilma was on the other side of me, doing to me what I was doing to Angel's happily drugged body, and it was dark, very dark, and very quiet, and very still.
ah

The March Hare Network posted:

Let's see ... Why don't we switch Dannie from whatever perverted sex world she's created for herself and stick her in Cosmos City with Ben. She'll love that. Rita ... Instead of a week's experience hunt­ing and capturing fugitives for fun and profit, let's let the good sister enjoy Dannie's pleasures. It'll give her moral fits, but we always did believe in making love, not war." She began tap­ping codes into the console and then got a graphics screen with Brand Box IDs as squares on the top half and subject LSUs on the bottom. After that, it was simply drag and drop to switch what was connected to what.

[...]

Worse, Rita had come out of that sex world we'd sent her to a real psychiatric case and, like Wilma, would need death or another incarnation to have a hope of straightening out.
yes

The Hot-Wired Dodo posted:

The Alice McKee of both worlds that I knew was from a good home, extremely well educated, never in want, and always assertive and confident. Occasionally, though, like everybody, she'd been turned down. Maybe it was a lover, a friend, a boss, and maybe it was a really nasty encounter at an early age with a male slimeball, but it was always there, coloring her mind-set just below the surface. The enemy was men. Men could do what she couldn't, men got the best positions, men stepped in front of more talented women. She'd always been one of those "banish-the-white-male-culture-from-society" types in academic circles, but she'd never been particularly hostile to me. Still, deep down, it had to have been more than a posture; more than just a set of committed beliefs, it was a firm and somewhat psychotic view consistent with the rest.

That sure explained this world.

First of all, it was a modern world not unlike the one in which I felt most at home, a world that went way beyond indoor plumbing to air conditioning, automobiles, jet planes, and all the rest. It was also in the broadest sense a feminist world, not in terms of all the ideological posturing but just in the fact that, of necessity, women ran things. It wasn't because they seized power or there'd been some great social movement; biology and mathematics dictated it.

First of all, women outnumbered men two or three to one. They tended to live into their seventies in the industrial West, and they were physically bigger and stronger.

Men were not just the significant minority, they were physically smaller, four to five feet tall, at most. Having a "short" chromosome, they tended to be weaker as well, and unlikely to pose much of a threat to women no matter what their disposition. They tended to be more sickly and, even in the advanced countries, tended to die relatively young, often in their forties and fifties.

Figuratively, men didn't wear the pants in this society. In most cases, literally as well, but from a more pragmatic cause, for men did have one function in society and it was very important if very basic. Although they were physically quite small, their sexual organs were, well, huge.
i see

The Hot-Wired Dodo posted:

I still felt human, but I definitely wasn't. My long strawberry blond hair was back in billowing amounts, and my skin was darkly tanned but not weathered. Ordinary-looking arms and hands, if perhaps with fingers longer than symmetry would suggest, and very large but firm breasts. The arms were muscular; I felt like I could lift somebody my own size.

All of which, of course, went down into a horse's body. A centaur! I'd always liked centaurs; to be sure, I'd also liked other mythological creatures as well, but there was something alluring, powerful, even sexy about a centaur. The waist was a marvel of engineering, almost snakelike in its ability to move and twist. I could lean far forward, and if I was careful of my balance I could almost touch the ground with my head. I could also turn almost all the way around, enough so that I could easily reach the hindquarters with the very long arms and fingers. I could certainly mount, cinch, open, and shut the saddlebags I had in the middle of my back. I also had a really long tail that was moved by an enormously powerful tailbone. If it weren't for the weight of the hair, the tail could have been dangerous.

There was some sense of civilization, or minimalist modesty, anyway. The breasts were supported by a kind of halter top and I also wore a light open tunic of brightly colored cloth. Nothing really concealed the very human vagina at the base of the torso, although thick soft fur made it nearly invisible, I was surprised that it was there; it hadn't ever been in any concept of a centaur I'd ever known.

Also impossible to conceal was the very large appendage that hung between the two rear legs. I could even bend down, look back between my forelegs, and see it.

This was a human female form mated to a stallion's body. Unisex centaurs. I could hardly wait to see how they mated.
ok

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

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Telum
Apr 17, 2013

I am protector of the innocent! I am the light in the darkness! I am truth! Ally to good! Nightmare to you!

wizzardstaff posted:

For reference the winning google search string was horror "short story" statue sleep pose -clown -russian -prince fingernail "pine cone".

:allears:

This is great, I wish more people would post the winning searches.

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