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Is there anything glaringly bad with the current Tucson? My friend that has been shopping for a while thinks it's what she wants to go with. I'm trying to talk her into the Sport trim since the upgraded headlights are better than on the lower trims, but she's trying to avoid leather and of course they wrapped the wheel and shift knob on that level. I hate how manufacturers do trim levels. There are several models that she's been interested in that are a complete non-starter because of how things are packaged with leather thrown in at certain option levels or the lack of a non-leather alternative.
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Good luck with that - stuff like the BMW i3 aside (I.e. a car that makes the point of being eco friendly) you’re going to get bits of leather in anything above the very base model of most cars.
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Dec 9, 2019 02:22
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I say we mandate the availability of wool-upholstery interiors like the Toyota Century. Apparently it’s just amazing to actually drive in one.
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Dec 9, 2019 02:38
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dissss posted:Good luck with that - stuff like the BMW i3 aside (I.e. a car that makes the point of being eco friendly) you’re going to get bits of leather in anything above the very base model of most cars. I think she can live with some leather accents but would obviously prefer none at all. In this case I'm definitely trying to steer her towards that trim level since the IIHS says the LED headlights are significantly better than the halogens on the next trim level down.
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Dec 9, 2019 02:39
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That's one thing I was really happy about with the new Explorer I got, not having totally leather seats. It has suede inserts in the part you sit on. Way more comfy and I wish more companies would offer something like that. Or at least more leather alternatives.
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Dec 9, 2019 02:50
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fknlo posted:Is there anything glaringly bad with the current Tucson? My friend that has been shopping for a while thinks it's what she wants to go with. I'm trying to talk her into the Sport trim since the upgraded headlights are better than on the lower trims, but she's trying to avoid leather and of course they wrapped the wheel and shift knob on that level. I hate how manufacturers do trim levels. There are several models that she's been interested in that are a complete non-starter because of how things are packaged with leather thrown in at certain option levels or the lack of a non-leather alternative. Is she avoiding it our of an aversion to the surface/texture or due to the whole morality of it? If the latter... MB-Tex...? I'd rather have a low miles 1-owner or CPO GLC over a new Tucson any day all day.
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Dec 9, 2019 05:05
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ExplodingSims posted:That's one thing I was really happy about with the new Explorer I got, not having totally leather seats. Suede is literally inside-out leather. Do you mean Alcantara?
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Dec 9, 2019 07:17
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KillHour posted:Suede is literally inside-out leather. Do you mean Alcantara? I was recently told a story by someone who worked in a shoe shop. A lady comes in and says she can't buy leather shoes because she's vegan, picks up some suede ones that she likes only to be told that suede is indeed still the remains of an animal. She didn't know. She still buys them.
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Dec 9, 2019 12:06
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fknlo posted:Is there anything glaringly bad with the current Tucson? My friend that has been shopping for a while thinks it's what she wants to go with. I'm trying to talk her into the Sport trim since the upgraded headlights are better than on the lower trims, but she's trying to avoid leather and of course they wrapped the wheel and shift knob on that level. I hate how manufacturers do trim levels. There are several models that she's been interested in that are a complete non-starter because of how things are packaged with leather thrown in at certain option levels or the lack of a non-leather alternative. Get the non-turbo and regular automatic and she'll have a pretty reliable vehicle. The DCT and turbo are problematic, a little less than what Ford is experiencing, but still problematic.
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Dec 9, 2019 12:25
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Tremek posted:Is she avoiding it our of an aversion to the surface/texture or due to the whole morality of it? If the latter... MB-Tex...? I'd rather have a low miles 1-owner or CPO GLC over a new Tucson any day all day. Morality. She's looked at some options from both BMW and MB. Her best friend drives a GLC and I think she doesn't want the same thing. She loved the X1 but had some stuff come up where she stopped shopping and I guess she's just not all that interested now. I know the price on the luxury stuff is a thing even though she can easily afford it. Goober Peas posted:Get the non-turbo and regular automatic and she'll have a pretty reliable vehicle. The DCT and turbo are problematic, a little less than what Ford is experiencing, but still problematic. I think they've gone with a regular 6 speed auto with both engine options now. The trims she's looking at have the 2.4.
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Dec 9, 2019 14:43
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Could she just buy the lower trim and then do an aftermarket but OEM headlight upgrade with the higher trim LEDs?
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Dec 9, 2019 18:08
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fknlo posted:Is there anything glaringly bad with the current Tucson? My friend that has been shopping for a while thinks it's what she wants to go with. I'm trying to talk her into the Sport trim since the upgraded headlights are better than on the lower trims, but she's trying to avoid leather and of course they wrapped the wheel and shift knob on that level. Bonus points for having port injection and an automatic transmission with actual gears.
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Dec 9, 2019 18:09
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tangy yet delightful posted:Could she just buy the lower trim and then do an aftermarket but OEM headlight upgrade with the higher trim LEDs? TheGoatTrick posted:My father in law just bought a 2019 Toyota Rav4 XLE, which has cloth seats and a urethane steering wheel. It's otherwise nicely equipped with LED headlights, heated seats, and a power liftgate. I drove it and it was a pleasant enough experience. She does not like the RAV4. When they announced the plug in hybrid I told her that I thought it would basically be perfect for her but she's not at all interested in it.
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Dec 9, 2019 18:52
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I think the solution here is to get new lighting regulations passed so that we can: a) All enjoy better safety, no matter the trim level. b) Actually allow new technology like Audi's matrix lights which are vastly superior and safer, but sadly illegal in the US.
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Dec 9, 2019 19:49
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i know LED lights are somewhat better but it's not like traditional halogens are unsafe
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Dec 10, 2019 01:53
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:i know LED lights are somewhat better but it's not like traditional halogens are unsafe Yeah, I'm sure they'd be fine for her. The only reason I brought it up to her is that the IIHS says there's a pretty decent difference and has a lower rating for the trims without them. I think she's probably just going to go with the highest trim without them though.
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fknlo posted:No clue, but she's not the kind of person that would go that route anyway. I tried talking my wife into a hybrid because she drives 70+ miles a day but she hates them and couldn't be less interested. She loves V8 sedans which is great, but god drat the fuel costs. She seems to like Teslas tho so maybe full EV is in the cards for her next car.
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Dec 10, 2019 17:47
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bull3964 posted:I think the solution here is to get new lighting regulations passed so that we can: Would be cool to do this by setting a maximum brightness level for headlights so that I'm not driving past endless rows of stadium floodlights..
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Grakkus posted:Would be cool to do this by setting a maximum brightness level for headlights so that I'm not driving past endless rows of stadium floodlights.. If we actually had lighting standards that were written this century, this would be a complete non-issue since manufacturers would be able to develop systems that could greatly reduce glare. Both Audi and BMW have systems right now that intelligently mask out other vehicles from being illuminated by the headlights, but they are illegal in the US because they aren't standard Low/High beam lights. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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Dec 10, 2019 18:12
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bull3964 posted:If we actually had lighting standards that were written this century, this would be a complete non-issue since manufacturers would be able to develop systems that could greatly reduce glare. Curious how much it is to fix those super cool systems once they inevitably break in new and creative ways that only those two companies can come up with. Sensor failure? Have fun in the dark.
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Dec 10, 2019 18:44
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even the relatively basic self leveling headlights in my E39 are a huge pain to fix and break all the time
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Dec 10, 2019 18:45
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I'm pretty sure that a sensor fault will just default them to standard high/low beams.
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Dec 10, 2019 19:35
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bull3964 posted:Both Audi and BMW have systems right now that intelligently mask out other vehicles from being illuminated by the headlights, but they are illegal in the US because they aren't standard Low/High beam lights. I can actually code this on my M3. I need to get around to doing it, the people that have done it rave about it.
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Dec 10, 2019 19:48
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Why are Supras still $70k? Who is buying this poo poo?
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Woof Blitzer posted:Why are Supras still $70k? Who is buying this poo poo? There was an article (on Jalopnik?) about how the people buying Supras literally aren't cross-shopping anything else. They want a Supra and it's not a decision based on carefully considered information or comparisons. They ONLY want a Supra and the question just comes down to if they can afford it or not. See also: Nissan GT-R
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Dec 10, 2019 21:36
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It's an iconic car with almost 20 years of pent up demand for a new one. It's also, by all reports, a really well sorted sports car.
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Dec 10, 2019 21:38
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i finally saw one IRL a few weeks ago and boy does it look like poo poo. i'm hopelessly biased though and i hated the mkiv too.
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Dec 10, 2019 21:42
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What car would you guys get instead of a Supra on that same budget? For the sake of apples to apples let’s assume it’s new not used. I’d like to know because I’m not sure what better cars out there would drive so much supra hate. I quite like it.
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Dec 10, 2019 22:15
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not that i'd actually spend 70k on a car but the M2C is clearly better and comes with a stick, as God intended
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Kraftwerk posted:What car would you guys get instead of a Supra on that same budget? The nicest 911 I could find for the money. [e] oh new?......Probably a C8. I saw a Supra in person and it actually looks really good imo, but would still rather have the C8. Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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Kraftwerk posted:What car would you guys get instead of a Supra on that same budget? Cayman or M2 new, 911 used. Or a Corvette if that's your thing. I don't hate the Supra, and I certainly haven't driven one, but it seems like a hard sell if you don't particularly care about it being a Supra.
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PeterWeller posted:It's an iconic car with almost 20 years of pent up demand for a new one. It's also, by all reports, a really well sorted sports car. Well, no, not by all reports: https://www.thedrive.com/news/31031/is-the-2020-toyota-supra-broken-straight-from-the-factory https://www.motortrend.com/news/2019-best-drivers-car-rankings/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/whats-the-deal-with-toyota-supra/ It's last in MT's rankings above for reasons as they detail: MotorTrend posted:Driven to the limit, the Supra's rear suspension couldn't cope with 198's rough asphalt, braking-zone undulations, and midcorner bump-steer moments. Under such duress, the Supra felt nervous and unsettled—always trying to regain its footing rather than preparing for the next corner. Those rear-end oscillations made the steering twitchy and nervous. Even pro racer Randy Pobst had a "moment" on 198, which really tells you something. So it appears that there are some unflattering traits, and it's unfortunate and maybe a little scary that it only shows up in handling when driven hard.
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Kraftwerk posted:What car would you guys get instead of a Supra on that same budget? I'd be looking at stuff like the F-Type, Boxster/Cayman, 4C Spider maybe, but I do like the Supra so it'd probably come down to whichever is most fun to drive. If I was in Europe I'd probably just buy an A110.
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Kraftwerk posted:What car would you guys get instead of a Supra on that same budget? I like the new Supra, especially that it's really small in person, but if I was shopping in that price range, I'd be hard pressed not to get a GT350 and its amazing sounding engine. E: Tremek posted:Well, no, not by all reports: Oh I stand corrected. PeterWeller fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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It's a bummer. We may have the new Cars & Coffee chief murder machine in the making. Jason Cammisa (who I think is a legit auto journo with well-considered opinions) was pretty negative about it too: Cammisa on Instagram posted:PCOTY Verdict: Toyota Supra — it’s broken. Possibly this car, or the whole project, idk? RDF-blinded diehards won't care but then again I suspect many of them won't be driving the car hard either, and/or will switch out of it as soon as it scares them a few times.
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Dec 10, 2019 22:59
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Tremek posted:So it appears that there are some unflattering traits, and it's unfortunate and maybe a little scary that it only shows up in handling when driven hard. They built a Penske PC-26, nice
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Dec 10, 2019 22:59
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Kraftwerk posted:What car would you guys get instead of a Supra on that same budget? i think you can buy a 4c for that money so I'd do that i would not buy a brand new sports car though
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Kraftwerk posted:What car would you guys get instead of a Supra on that same budget? ilkhan fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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A C7 z06 can be had for $60k. Or a ZL1 1LE. Or a C6 ZR1. Or a C7 z51 Grand Sport that’s probably new. Or a 997 Turbo which is nowhere near as competitive as the above cars but is still a pcar. Or a GT-R. Or a GT350 as previously mentioned. Or a Hellcat Widebody. Or (and this might be a stretch at $60k, but in-the-$60s) an AMG GT. I dare say the Supra is outclassed by literally every car on this list. In a few years depreciation will make it more competitive relative to its used value but for now that’s a tough vanity pill to swallow for a gussied-up Z4 which in its previous generations wasn’t ever a class-competitive sports car, even if the current gen is a step forward. E: which btw lends to my hypothesis that the reason Supra buyers aren’t cross-shopping anything else is because only the extremely narrow Supra-demo buyers are willfully blind to its defects whereas nearly anyone else that wants a competitive car will buy something else. Let’s not forget it’s a badge-engineered BMW with sloppily-applied Toyota lipstick, which carries about as much prestige as clown makeup from the dollar store Tremek fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Tremek posted:Let’s not forget it’s a badge-engineered BMW with sloppily-applied Toyota lipstick, which carries about as much prestige as clown makeup from the dollar store 
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