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Lord_Hambrose posted:Thinking about it, are her and Quicksilver still mutants? I know they changed it because of the movie rights stuff but I assume they will quietly not mention that again. Until things change they're currently the offspring of some humans who the High Evolutionary hosed with.
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site posted:godspeed squirrel girl I'm behind, been buying SG in trades - are they together-together now? So they're both bi, presumably?
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TwoPair posted:Until things change they're currently the offspring of some humans who the High Evolutionary hosed with. Until the mysterious power of licensing makes them both die in an event, and Magneto puts in a very special egg order.
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New Leaf posted:I'm behind, been buying SG in trades - are they together-together now? So they're both bi, presumably? nope, just gal pals leaving a lot of fans with wishful thinking
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Dec 9, 2019 23:42
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just gals being pals who for some reason are living together even into old age
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Until Hickman resurrects Mammomax and puts him in a book his run will only manage to be great and not legendary.  (lower left corner, unless I'm mixing him up with someone else)
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Edge & Christian posted:Good news from X-Force #2! 1) I love how at this scene of mourning Gambit is just standing there playing with his hair. 2) Who's the guy above Mammomax with a shoe sizer for a head?
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Archyduchess posted:2) Who's the guy above Mammomax with a shoe sizer for a head? Which is weird because he literally died in Xavier's place back in X-Men #42 in 1968, which either suggests that Xavier's been backing poo poo up basically forever, or no one is thinking that hard about big group shots in non-Hickman books. He's standing near Gideon too, but I guess at some point Externals were established to be mutants, just a specific immortal subset? Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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Edge & Christian posted:Changeling, I'm pretty sure. Wikia seems to think so too? The whole of Xavier's backing up is weird because it seems like he's been keeping brain backups of basically every mutant, including villains who have killed his students and characters introduced while he was dead, for years. But then again I guess the whole of House of X/Powers of X established that during the last 50-odd years of X-Men stories, Xavier's been doing everything up to and including dying as part of a long con only deciding now to unleash his masterstroke so eh, whatever.
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Edge & Christian posted:Good news from X-Force #2!  They... They did it. The mad bastards.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:
All faith lies in Hickman.
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Edge & Christian posted:Changeling, I'm pretty sure. Wikia seems to think so too? It's more than just suggesting. Xavier explicitly has backups of every mutant since Cerebro started operating. The only thing preventing them from all being alive is the extremely large queue size of dead mutants. The intent is to eventually restore everyone.
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TwoPair posted:The whole of Xavier's backing up is weird because it seems like he's been keeping brain backups of basically every mutant, including villains who have killed his students and characters introduced while he was dead, for years. But then again I guess the whole of House of X/Powers of X established that during the last 50-odd years of X-Men stories, Xavier's been doing everything up to and including dying as part of a long con only deciding now to unleash his masterstroke so eh, whatever. Maybe Sinister was like "I'll defrost the latest batch of Marauders" and Chuck was "Okay, saves time."
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Sinister used to have multiple sets of Marauders operating at the same time, has Xavier made multiple copies of any X-Men yet? Wouldn't a team of Forge's be able to solve any technological problems? Make 200 copies of Elixir and start curing cancer.
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But he doesn't want to cure cancer, he wants to make dinosaurs
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site posted:But he doesn't want to cure cancer, he wants to make dinosaurs That's the other guy.
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Yes but it's written by Eve Ewing so it might be the first good Civil War.
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Rhyno posted:Sinister used to have multiple sets of Marauders operating at the same time, has Xavier made multiple copies of any X-Men yet? Wouldn't a team of Forge's be able to solve any technological problems? Make 200 copies of Elixir and start curing cancer. They are trying to not do that for some reason and I can only imagine it's so that it can happen accidentally in a hilarious fashion.
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Nevvy Z posted:They are trying to not do that for some reason and I can only imagine it's so that it can happen accidentally in a hilarious fashion. There's gonna be so many Gambits. So many.
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Rhyno posted:There's gonna be so many Gambits. It not you, it Gambits.
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Rhyno posted:Sinister used to have multiple sets of Marauders operating at the same time, has Xavier made multiple copies of any X-Men yet? Wouldn't a team of Forge's be able to solve any technological problems? Make 200 copies of Elixir and start curing cancer. I believe he also had multiple sets of X-Men during Gillen's run so it wouldn't be unprecedented.
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He had like 6 Madeline Pryors but his Xmen clones were all lobotomized.
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X-O posted:Yes but it's written by Eve Ewing so it might be the first good Civil War. Also reminder that Civil War only exists because JMS and Loeb were taking the wheel on a continuity-porn alpha draft of World War Hulk that Bendis and Millar thought was dumb, so they came up with the idea for Civil War "in the back of a taxi cab". Now that WWH wasn't going to be some big tentpole event piece, JMS and Loeb lost interest and it rolled downhill to Greg Pak (who prior to Planet/World War Hulk had basically done grunt work on video game tie-ins and the like), and that Hulk run basically made Pak's career. So at least one good thing came out of Civil War. You'll also notice that as soon as Hulk was a big popular character thanks to Pak, Loeb swooped in to do Red Hulk.
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Archyduchess posted:I believe he also had multiple sets of X-Men during Gillen's run so it wouldn't be unprecedented. Oh man this just reminded me of the exhibit with multiple Gambits.
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Edge & Christian posted:I am prepared to eat crow if I'm wrong but based on that article it sounds like it's actually an idea that was developed as-organically-as-Big-Two-stories-can-be (as opposed to CW2 which was a marketing mandate to "tie into" the Civil War movie) and thus far it doesn't sound like it's going to have dozens of tie-in issues and Eve Ewing is someone who actually had coherent thoughts and experiences about the topics at hand, as opposed to Millar. Civil War was as much right time right place as anything, with Millar coming off of Ultimates, and it looking unlike anything else due to Steve McNiven's gorgeous artwork. He hadn't done a lot of Marvel stuff before then, and certainly not at the scale. Even when the story made no god drat sense, every page just looked amazing.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Wasn’t Loeb at DC? I don't think he was exclusive, but even if he was, he was working for Marvel enough to claim he was responsible for Stamford being blown up. quote:Apparently Loeb grew up in Stamford, CT and noted that in meetings, he'd used Stamford as a stand in for a city that would get blown up to start things, and Millar went ahead and put it in the comic book. "I'm riffing here ..." Loeb said, worried about things starting, "since I have no list or anything" as of 5:42 PM. "Mark Millar lives in a country the size of a shoebox, and he wouldn't know Stamford, Conneticut if you put him there. I'm happy to take [the heat]. If you can't blow up your home town, what are you doing in comics?"
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Open Marriage Night posted:Wasn’t Loeb at DC? He wasn't on an exclusive prior to that to my knowledge, since even during his time working primarily for DC he did Spider-Man: Blue and Hulk: Gray while working on Hush and various Superman books. Also -- and I bring this up for historical context, not anything else -- Sam Loeb died in the summer of 2005, which led to some understandably major delays on Loeb's projects. Superman/Batman was a solid monthly for the first 13 issues, then skipped two months before issue 14, and then missed three months between issues 20-21, and the last arc went #23: September 2005 #24: November 2005 #25: March 2006 #26: April 2006 His Supergirl launch around the same time had similar delays, though that also may have to do with external factors like Loeb's projects involving a number of not-fast-enough-for-monthly artists, most notably Michael Turner who was experiencing health problems and (at almost the same time as Loeb) got signed to an exclusive deal at Marvel too. So Loeb's wrap-up books at DC continued to come out as Civil War was spinning up (his last DC work to date, Superman/Batman #26 came out a couple of weeks prior to Civil War #1) and for various reasons his first Marvel book of that era was Fallen Son, after Civil War ended, but he was there for the meeting. There was a lot of speculation at the time that Loeb jumped ship to Marvel because he was getting frozen out of the Big Infinite Crisis event by the Johns/Didio camp, which I don't think was ever confirmed. He was also writing for Smallville (for three seasons), then Lost (season 2 only) then Heroes (for the first two seasons I think?) in this same 2004-2007 timeframe, so on top of everything else that would explain the slow roll of his Marvel work. Loeb got fired off of Heroes in 2008, which explains him diving in head first to THE ULTIMATE ULTIMATUM UNIVERSE stuff around this time, bringing along some other ex-Heroes writers.
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Man, that takes me back. Superman/Batman and New Avengers were my favorite books at the time.
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Aw. For a second I thought it might be Champions but good.
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I'd obviously prefer it to be a good comic, but even good writers can turn out awful event comics.
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This...sounds...actually kinda good, I say very warily. There has been a greater number of younger heroes at Marvel than ever before, they're basically an entire separate community all on their own, and it's completely fair to really delve into that and the topical stuff that arises from it. The only worry I have for it is how they're gonna keep this from being as profoundly one-sided as the story appears to be. "Should young people be heroes?" Well. Yeah. Pretty much just yeah.
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Eh, thinking about it at all, it's like "should children be playing American football"? Probably shouldn't be obtaining all those head injuries when their brains are still developing. The solution should be that there's a team of super heroes moved into the areas where these kids live, so that they don't have a need to join in on the fights. So get a team working in NJ for Kamala. But then again, that doesn't stop people from doing crime in NYC so 
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I'm a bit wary of events, but then again, war of the realms was actually quite fun, so maybe it will turn out fine. I guess it depends on which adult heroes join which side. For example, black widow would be a huge hypocrite, if she was suddenly against it after forming a new red room in secret wars. Also I bet Spider-Man will be against it too, because that sad nerd thinks he is special and should be the only one who shoulders this burden. Also I think Squirrel Girl is 20 right now. Make her the kinda rational person on the fence, who notes how ridiculous this whole discussion is getting. Setting an arbitrary age limit of 21 seems a bit stupid, to be quite honest. cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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Spider-Man has mentored a bunch of teen heroes and started as one himself and usually understands he's not the only one with a compulsion to help people to his own detriment, I doubt he'd be for the restriction unless they really do repeat Civil War and have him switch sides halfway through. Also, isn't vigilantism largely illegal in the 616 anyways? What's the actual point of a law saying "you aren't allowed to to do this already illegal thing until you're 21?" To go back to Spiderman, he's often considered an outlaw and he doesn't stop doing it just because the cops are shooting at him, he has to realize Miles, Khamala et al will probably do the same thing. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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It's not really clear, from what i recall. We know the SHRA was repealed but presumably there's still something in place. I think for the most part writers just operate from a "costumed vigilantism is okay so long as you don't mess with actual law enforcement" sort of place for their stories. Unless you're a mutant. Mutants can do whatever they want now! 
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I can see the basis of this pretty easily, since Zub's global focus with the Champions meant that they were going all over the place without too much concern for politics, culture, borders, or current events. There was even a big disaster in Dubai already where Miles had to choose between letting Kamala or a civilian die. Letting a bunch of teenagers run an international search and rescue team without any oversight or training, while enjoying more funding than some entire countries, more ease of deployment than any military thanks to Pinpoint, and more firepower than the 101st Airborne is probably not a good idea, and if Ewing sticks the landing, it could be an interesting commentary on Greta Thunberg-era youth revolt.
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IUG posted:The solution should be that there's a team of super heroes moved into the areas where these kids live, so that they don't have a need to join in on the fights. So get a team working in NJ for Kamala. Whatever happened to The Initiative anyway? Did all those heroes decide "gently caress this I don't want to live in [state]" and book it back to NYC the minute the SHRA got repealed or what? Skwirl posted:Also, isn't vigilantism largely illegal in the 616 anyways? What's the actual point of a law saying "you aren't allowed to to do this already illegal thing until you're 21?" To go back to Spiderman, he's often considered an outlaw and he doesn't stop doing it just because the cops are shooting at him, he has to realize Miles, Khamala et al will probably do the same thing. Part of Charles Soule's Daredevil run featured him getting the Supreme Court to rule that superheroes can give testimony on the stand without revealing their identities which is hilariously laughable, even more so since Soule's a lawyer. Vigilantism rules in Marvel are silly.
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TwoPair posted:Whatever happened to The Initiative anyway? Did all those heroes decide "gently caress this I don't want to live in [state]" and book it back to NYC the minute the SHRA got repealed or what? The 50 States Initiative started off as a project spearheaded by Henry Peter Gyrich (who was secretly working with a Nazi supervillain scientist to power up the recruits) and who also may or may not have been in the process of getting brainwashed by Hydra (or working for Hydra, unclear) to resurrect the Scourge program while he was overseeing the Initiative. Also one of the other main people behind the Initiative project was Hank Pym, who had been replaced by a Skrull. During Secret Invasion it was revealed that Skrull-Pym had conspired to make sure there was a secret Skrull on the team stationed in each of the fifty states, and they commandeered all of their bases to build some sort of Negative Zone bomb. Anyone who survived Secret Invasion, wasn't a Skrull, and didn't quit, was rolled over into the Thunderbolts Initiative under Norman Osborn's control, which not many heroes were that interested in. Then the Thor-Clone from Civil War got reactivated and busted up/killed pretty much everyone who was left, and Osborn shut it down as part of his plan to consolidate power. So there wasn't much Initiative left by the time Osborn got taken down and the SHRA was repealed. It also was a weirdly corrupted/awful group behind the scenes for pretty much the entire time it existed.
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