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Sort of spoilery - New watchers skip over... The Franklin thing was covert. Byron’s group is anything but. They don’t want a quiet escape, they want to be in your face, despite what they say out loud. WRT Sheridan and Lyta: I was actually paying attention to that on a rewatch because I thought it was jarring too. If you pay attention, he’s pretty much always treated her as a tool, he was just more polite about it earlier on. Could be her close relationship with Byron and her suddenly demanding to be recognized just puts him off. Even people like Sheridan act like dicks sometimes. It could also be that the part of Kosh that’s in his mind being really put off on how Lyta is using her powers has some bearing. But IMO the *PPG powers up* “You’re not the only person who’s been touched by a Vorlon...” line is so goddamn worth it.
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Narsham posted:The lack of Franklin involvement may have been a bad oversight, or the end result of the deal they cut with TNT to get the fifth season, which involved not having most of the cast for more than 13 of the 22 episodes. Is there anything more to that story? First I've heard of this aspect of the deal.
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David Gerrold just announced that Dorothy Fontana has passed away, aged 80.
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Doctor Zero posted:WRT Sheridan and Lyta: I was actually paying attention to that on a rewatch because I thought it was jarring too. If you pay attention, he’s pretty much always treated her as a tool, he was just more polite about it earlier on. Yeah, like in "Epiphanies", he threatens to turn her over to the Psi-Corps if she disobeys him. Or how she was unceremoniously tossed out of her quarters because the Vorlons weren't paying for them anymore - after Sheridan threw a complete childish fit when Earthforce wanted him to move to smaller quarters. Or how nobody even bothered directly telling her Kosh as dead. She really gets treated like crap throughout the series. (And, of course, there's Sheridan's use of the cryo-teeps as human bombs... Dude really isn't a champion of telepath rights.)
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Doctor Zero posted:But IMO the *PPG powers up* “You’re not the only person who’s been touched by a Vorlon...” line is so goddamn worth it. Just watched Wheel of Fire last night, and this really was great. 3 more episodes left until it's all over!
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Going to burn through the last two episodes tonight. Then it'll all be over. Except for the movies. Going into the end it sure feels like a four episode epilogue. Not much happening and just moving everyone off of the station. Was some nice character closure, but a very different feeling than I'm used to for a television show.
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Let us know how much you cry Do not read until you finish Sleeping in Light
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I'm not a crier, but I sure got the feels. I need to think on it more, but while it was somewhat nice seeing the Centauri bit I don't think I needed the 21 season 5 episodes and could've gone straight to Sleeping in Light after season four. Also holy hell the makeup difference on Delenn, Londo, and G'Kar since the gathering!!!
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Going to start the Expanse tonight, hear it's the next incredible one to watch. I'll get around to Sense8 and Travellers which are also mentioned while discussing B5. I'll sprinkle in the B5 movies and maybe a bit of a rewatch now that I know the full arc, but am so glad that I remained nearly spoiler free for this whole watch. Brilliant show. I'm better for having watched it.
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TraderStav posted:Going to start the Expanse tonight, hear it's the next incredible one to watch. I'll get around to Sense8 and Travellers which are also mentioned while discussing B5. I'll sprinkle in the B5 movies and maybe a bit of a rewatch now that I know the full arc, but am so glad that I remained nearly spoiler free for this whole watch. Glad you enjoyed it! Don't bother with Sense8 though, it's one of the worst shows ever made.
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Angry Salami posted:Yeah, like in "Epiphanies", he threatens to turn her over to the Psi-Corps if she disobeys him. Or how she was unceremoniously tossed out of her quarters because the Vorlons weren't paying for them anymore - after Sheridan threw a complete childish fit when Earthforce wanted him to move to smaller quarters. Or how nobody even bothered directly telling her Kosh as dead. She really gets treated like crap throughout the series. I don't usually rewatch season 5, but I always got the impression that Lyta was just treated like crap. Getting thrown out of her apartment, with the Sheridan quarters subplot you mentioned in mind, that always felt terrible to me. Poor Zach who had to tell her the news. I thought Lyta was pretty justified in being fed up with all the crap she had to deal with, it was mostly Byron who led the whole thing into disaster. I'm glad that others also got a similar impression.
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Jedit posted:Glad you enjoyed it! Lies, sense8 is a beautiful wonderful mess
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Jedit posted:Glad you enjoyed it! hope and vaseline posted:Lies, sense8 is a beautiful wonderful mess Think I'll stick with The Expanse for now then. Being a part of modern 'prestige' TV it won't take me as long to binge through with half the season size. The first episode was really good and I really like the universe they're building.
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Torrannor posted:I don't usually rewatch season 5, but I always got the impression that Lyta was just treated like crap. Getting thrown out of her apartment, with the Sheridan quarters subplot you mentioned in mind, that always felt terrible to me. Poor Zach who had to tell her the news. I thought Lyta was pretty justified in being fed up with all the crap she had to deal with, it was mostly Byron who led the whole thing into disaster. I'm glad that others also got a similar impression. I always thought it was interesting how on nearly every one of Talia’s appearances, she needs the other characters to help her out of a jam. The only time she’s asked to do something sketchy, she refuses, then slaps Sheridan for tricking her into doing it. But they like her, so she’s nearly invited into the inner circle. Lyta is never anything but helpful, but when she needs something she’s always on her own.
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no one had to know this, but the most "kudos"'d babylon 5 fanfiction on the big fanfic archive is Marcus / Neroon? what the gently caress is THAT about
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there are a hundred fanfictions of marcus and neroon. there are three of them over 100,000 words long that were written by different people. one is a quarter-million words long. I am NOT trying to be saucy and contrary but what the hell
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CainFortea posted:Fanfic people are weird. Don't try to understand it.
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Pick posted:no one had to know this, but the most "kudos"'d babylon 5 fanfiction on the big fanfic archive is Marcus / Neroon? what the gently caress is THAT about It’s pretty consistent across all fiction that when there are two men who fight and then come to respect each other after the fight that a significant number of people also want them to gently caress.
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Deepfake fanfic porn is going to result in a lot of conventions becoming even more disgusting than they already are.
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Midjack posted:Deepfake fanfic porn is going to result in nerd conventions becoming even more disgusting than they already are. *sees terrifying advancement of deepfake technology and considers its widespread implications* OH no!! neroon!!!!!
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Pick posted:there are a hundred fanfictions of marcus and neroon. there are three of them over 100,000 words long that were written by different people. one is a quarter-million words long. I am NOT trying to be saucy and contrary but what the hell Now I'm going to have to forget something I wanted to know. I'm finishing up S4 i my rewatch. E21 has the best material Claudia Christian ever got in her career and the hard-as-nails acting president. She really helped make the episode work.
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TraderStav posted:Going to start the Expanse tonight, hear it's the next incredible one to watch. I'll get around to Sense8 and Travellers which are also mentioned while discussing B5. I'll sprinkle in the B5 movies and maybe a bit of a rewatch now that I know the full arc, but am so glad that I remained nearly spoiler free for this whole watch. So glad you enjoyed it. I avoided the thread for a bit just to make sure I didn’t spoil a thing for you. I still want your takes on the different characters. The big two definitely but the others as well. Definitely one of the best series ending of all time. I always found it odd that of all the departures, Doc Franklin’s hit me the hardest. No fanfare, no cheering crowds. He just gives a small melancholy smile and walks into the unknown. Agree with the thread that Lyta had it rough. Always hoped she had a better life offscreen as B5 just put her through it.
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Von_Doom posted:So glad you enjoyed it. I avoided the thread for a bit just to make sure I didn’t spoil a thing for you. I still want your takes on the different characters. The big two definitely but the others as well. Definitely one of the best series ending of all time. I always found it odd that of all the departures, Doc Franklin’s hit me the hardest. No fanfare, no cheering crowds. He just gives a small melancholy smile and walks into the unknown. Lyta is the only character said to have gone beyond the Rim before the actor died.
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Kibayasu posted:It’s pretty consistent across all fiction that when there are two men who fight and then come to respect each other after the fight that a significant number of people also want them to gently caress. I've been saying this for decades: there are a lot of people who conflate violent conflict with sexual tension. It creeps me the gently caress out.
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Bieeanshee posted:I've been saying this for decades: there are a lot of people who conflate violent conflict with sexual tension. It creeps me the gently caress out. Why I don't cry when my dog runs away I don't get angry at the bills I have to pay I don't get angry when my Mom smokes pot Hits the bottle and goes right to the rock Fuckin' and fightin', it's all the same Livin' with Louie dog's the only way to stay sane Let the lovin', let the lovin' come back to me
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Just finished S4. I would say Babylon 5 is a land of contrasts. what the gently caress was The Deconstruction of Falling Stars? That was some of the cringiest, most self-indulgent weirdness I’ve ever seen in any context
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Delthalaz posted:Just finished S4. I would say Babylon 5 is a land of contrasts. what the gently caress was The Deconstruction of Falling Stars? That was some of the cringiest, most self-indulgent weirdness I’ve ever seen in any context
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I thought it was neat, although each of the scenes is flawed in its own way, and there's no self-contained story.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I thought it was neat, although each of the scenes is flawed in its own way, and there's no self-contained story. The holographic bit was pretty great in and of itself. I can't recall there being any bad parts of that bit specifically.
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Pound pastrami, can gasoline, six bagels, bring home for Valen.
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Bieeanshee posted:Pound pastrami, can gasoline, six bagels, bring home for Valen. 
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Bieeanshee posted:Pound pastrami, can gasoline, six bagels, bring home for Valen. 
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Jedit posted:Lyta is the only character said to have gone beyond the Rim before the actor died. Isn't that what happened to Sheridan in the finale?
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Q_res posted:Isn't that what happened to Sheridan in the finale? Said, not shown.
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