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Dec 9, 2019 14:51
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TheBystander posted:This had me realize something about All For One: he can take any quirk he wants, but won't necessarily be any good at using it. Do you think if he took Suneater's power, he'd be able to manifest anything better than a sprout? If he took Mirio's, would he get stuck in walls? Not to mention All For One didn't seem like someone who would want to get naked just to use a quirk. Sounds pretty plausible to me.
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Dec 9, 2019 16:08
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TheBystander posted:On the other hand, from what we've seen with Deku, the power of One for All is overwhelming, but requires considerable, constant training to use. If Deku slacks off in his exercise, his new quirk could tear him apart. It's an interesting difference that might help explain how All For One lost in the first place: he just doesn't have the drive of a bearer of One for All.
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Dec 9, 2019 16:37
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All Might was able to handle OFA immediately both because he was kind of a prodigy in that respect and because the quirk he inherited was significantly weaker than when he passed it on to Deku.
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Dec 9, 2019 16:53
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It does kind of beg the question of whether Deku will be able to pass it on to anyone who hasn't been training for it practically as long as he has, since he'd be adding more power to it through his own training and it already tears him apart. You gotta assume that at some point it gets to "just shreds whoever gets it immediately" territory.
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Dec 9, 2019 17:10
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Just needs a suitable successor. Not everyone is a quirkless kid. I'd imagine someone like Sato could handle it much better. He just has to roid up on sugar first.
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Dec 9, 2019 17:25
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OFA got a lot of xp by All Might fighting all that crime and rescuing so many people. So now it's harder for people to have the new stat requirements at the beginning -Shigaraki when he finds out about how it works, probably??
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Dec 9, 2019 17:33
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The difference may have happened less because of OFA's power-up due to a new generation and more simply because of how different All Might and Deku are. All Might is, to put it bluntly, a muscle-head. He was already buff when he recieved the power, and he isn't one to think things that much. Even in his current state he puts focus in training himself. He's pretty much the perfect person for a power that boils down to "punch really hard". It's no surprise he had no issues with it. Meanwhile, Deku is...not. He's a person that overthinks every single little thing and was pretty out of shape before All Might trained him. Both of them play against him: his overthinking means he can't utilize One For All instinctively and thus had a lot of issues with mastering Full Cowl while All Might obtained it so naturally that he didn't even name it, while the latter meant his body couldn't take the power at all and had to be trained before. Sir Nighteye had a point in that Mirio was a much more logical choice for One For All: he's a big, buff dude that's able to use instinct rather than thought whenever needed. He's pretty much the perfect successor, at least at first glance, though he suffers from following Nighteye's methods.
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Dec 9, 2019 17:48
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Blaze Dragon posted:All Might is, to put it bluntly, a muscle-head. He was already buff when he recieved the power, and he isn't one to think things that much. Even in his current state he puts focus in training himself. He's pretty much the perfect person for a power that boils down to "punch really hard". It's no surprise he had no issues with it. Except that’s not true. Earlier this season, it was pointed out that All Might is very smart. Not as much as Nighteye, but it was clearly stated All Might is not a slouch there either.
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Dec 9, 2019 18:35
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Kung Food posted:I think Deku's personal manifestation of OFA is a poorer version of All Might's because AM's came with a 'Muscle Form' that has durability built in. Gran Tarino commented that AM came to him with the quirk pretty much mastered and focused on practical fight training. The Muscle Form isn’t a manifestation of One for All. Or at least it wasn’t originally, basically that’s actually how far All Might worked his body. He’s good at exercise regimes because he himself spent a lot of time exercising and muscle building. When his injury happened he couldn’t maintain his exercise or eating habits so his body wasted away, he uses One for All to reverse the wasting process but the muscle body is what All Might legitimately achieved through physical effort. Notably, even when not muscled Toshinori is actually nearly the same height as when he is muscled. This is an important distinction, and part of why Izuku has so much trouble is because of how much extra strength All Might added from his personal exercise habits multiplied by the stockpile nature of One for All. This also means Izuku will never have the same sort of size changing without similar circumstances. He’s probably never going to be huge like Toshinori was but we know he’s pretty ripped under his clothes and likely will stay as such so long as he continues to work out and grow. Basically, One for All gives the overwhelming physical raw strength/toughness, but the body shape is all Toshinori and Izuku’s respective efforts to gain muscle and genetic growth factors. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Dec 9, 2019 |
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Dec 9, 2019 18:48
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Yeah. It’s not that All Might isn’t smart, it’s that there are just some things he’s never needed to question. He’s the type to always take the straightforward approach when it’s viable, so that just leaves him unprepared when it isn’t. Now that he does need to learn, though, he’s doing so quite proficiently (see the How To Teach books he’s always got on his person).
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Dec 9, 2019 18:52
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Nighthand posted:It does kind of beg the question of whether Deku will be able to pass it on to anyone who hasn't been training for it practically as long as he has, since he'd be adding more power to it through his own training and it already tears him apart. You gotta assume that at some point it gets to "just shreds whoever gets it immediately" territory. One for All stockpiles the strength of whoever holds it. Toshinori being a huge gym bro just means that the muscle stockpile grew all the faster. I’m still holding out that near the end Deku learns to portion out OFA understanding that twenty 5%-Might’s can do far more hero work than one Deku alone. All Might was a sole indomitable source of hope but he worked himself raw trying to do everything constantly. Plus splitting the power means the next holder(s) don’t explode themselves.
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Dec 10, 2019 18:43
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Also, and as Gran Torino explained it at length: He's a phenomenal hero, but All-Might is kind of a lackluster teacher.
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Dec 10, 2019 21:59
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Wark Say posted:Also, and as Gran Torino explained it at length: He's a phenomenal hero, but All-Might is kind of a lackluster teacher. He's a poor leader as well. Leadership is a major reason Endeavor is #2.
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Dec 10, 2019 22:15
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Pretty sure this has come up in anime already regarding Endeavor, but he's the most prolific crimebuster out of all pros as well. All Might is symbol but Endeavor is the beat cop on patrol every day.
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Dec 10, 2019 22:45
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Emphasis on beat.
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Dec 10, 2019 23:16
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M_Gargantua posted:One for All stockpiles the strength of whoever holds it. Toshinori being a huge gym bro just means that the muscle stockpile grew all the faster. That implies the power is splittable. There's never been any indication that it is. When All-Might gave the quirk to Deku, it wasn't that Deku took part of the quirk and All Might lost it gradually. All Might lost the quirk, and the power he had was residual echoes of OFA.
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Dec 10, 2019 23:53
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I'm kinda wondering about that. "He only has the embers of one for all left" was a thing that was said repeatedly but like, it still seemed like basically all his difficulty came from his wounds rather than that. Months later he was still strong enough to (barely) rip all for one to shreds, if all might hadn't been so previously wounded previously I'm not sure I see much reason to believe that he wouldnt have remained in peak condition even after handing the quirk off to deku
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Dec 11, 2019 00:27
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ninjewtsu posted:I'm kinda wondering about that. "He only has the embers of one for all left" was a thing that was said repeatedly but like, it still seemed like basically all his difficulty came from his wounds rather than that. Months later he was still strong enough to (barely) rip all for one to shreds, if all might hadn't been so previously wounded previously I'm not sure I see much reason to believe that he wouldnt have remained in peak condition even after handing the quirk off to deku To put it another way, his body's problem was that he was trying to keep doing bench presses for six hours straight like he used to. OFA's problem was when All Might started using an actually difficult amount of weight. It's a question of endurance versus power. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Dec 11, 2019 00:33
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ninjewtsu posted:I'm kinda wondering about that. "He only has the embers of one for all left" was a thing that was said repeatedly but like, it still seemed like basically all his difficulty came from his wounds rather than that. Months later he was still strong enough to (barely) rip all for one to shreds, if all might hadn't been so previously wounded previously I'm not sure I see much reason to believe that he wouldnt have remained in peak condition even after handing the quirk off to deku
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Dec 11, 2019 00:40
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I'm guessing All Might lost the core One For All - the ability to pass on quirks - but still retained all of the stockpiled power. Perhaps without his injuries he'd be as strong as ever, but it's very clearly implied that if anyone else is going to inherit it that's up to Deku to make happen. Hence Sir Nighteye trying to convince him to pass it to Lemillion.
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Dec 11, 2019 00:55
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The way I always understood OFA is that it's a gigantic, ever-growing well of power you dip out of. All Might specifically refers to the holder as a vessel- so basically you're a vessel, you tap into OFA and fill up, and depending on how swole/good you are at controlling it you can handle different amounts of it. All Might still had whatever power he had taken from OFA when he passed it on, and that slowly dwindled until it ran out.
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Dec 11, 2019 01:12
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So Suneater's just a shapeshifter with a gimmick! A fancy Animorph. I don't really get the hype other characters have for him, seems like that's a relatively common quirk.
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Dec 11, 2019 20:45
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Doctor Reynolds posted:So Suneater's just a shapeshifter with a gimmick! A fancy Animorph. I don't really get the hype other characters have for him, seems like that's a relatively common quirk. Cause of how he can freely mix and choose characteristics. Normally with a shapeshifter you just turn into thing. He can turn his hands into thing the rest of his body into different thing, and freely mix and match creatures traits and even merge them.
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Dec 11, 2019 21:12
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The combinational part is really neat! With a few more years of training and practice, the dude could probably turn himself wholly into into a biotechnological mass of specialized organisms- kind of a meaty Amazo.
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Dec 11, 2019 21:26
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Doctor Reynolds posted:So Suneater's just a shapeshifter with a gimmick! A fancy Animorph. I don't really get the hype other characters have for him, seems like that's a relatively common quirk. His power is basically All for One but with food.
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Dec 11, 2019 22:04
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Does Suneater need to fully consume the food or is just licking it enough?
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Dec 11, 2019 22:11
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Dr Subterfuge posted:His power is basically All for One but with food. Doesn't even have to be food, as we saw in the episode he straight up ate rock. Heck if he wanted he could poison people. Could he grow gills? Maybe? There is probably a crazy amount of training to make sure you don't accidentally kill yourself with something like his power.
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Dec 11, 2019 22:26
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Mraagvpeine posted:Does Suneater need to fully consume the food or is just licking it enough? He's free to use it until he digests it, so presumably it needs to have reached his stomach or be swallowed at least. I wonder if he got his arm cut off, could he bite his cheek or swallow some of his own blood and 'manifest' himself to regrow the arm? Or maybe he can always become himself because he's always swallowing his own saliva? Hmm.
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Dec 11, 2019 23:05
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what happens when you eat rocks i'm like 90% certain your body can't digest that, does it just rip right through you until it comes out the other end? does your body start inducing vomiting later? what are the repercussions of the little trick he pulled
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Dec 11, 2019 23:31
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ninjewtsu posted:what happens when you eat rocks If you can't digest something it just moves its way through your digestive system until it comes out the other end. If it's too big it'll get stuck and then you have to see a surgeon to get it removed, but most of the things you can swallow won't get stuck. Edit: Here's a fun one, some varieties of turtle eat glass and it turns into spikes and sticks in their stomachs.
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Dec 11, 2019 23:53
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Quirk probably gives him super digestion or something w/e.
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Dec 11, 2019 23:54
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Eating that crystal is probably the Suneater equivalent to Deku deliberately busting his arm with a supercharged punch? It was a desperation move with consequences he'll regret later, but for now it was totally necessary to survive.
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Dec 12, 2019 00:10
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There's absolutely nothing saying he can't turn his insides into stuff he's eaten so maybe he just turned himself into something that can digest crystal. ...Whatever the hell that is.
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Dec 12, 2019 00:26
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Blaze Dragon posted:There's absolutely nothing saying he can't turn his insides into stuff he's eaten so maybe he just turned himself into something that can digest crystal. Dragon. Dragongirl gives him a scale or something. (alternatively he just asks Mirio for the assist in pulling it out)
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Dec 12, 2019 00:31
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imagine a world where mirio pursued a career as a surgeon instead
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Dec 12, 2019 02:03
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I don't think that would work for Mirio. Remember he can't overlap matter.
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Dec 12, 2019 03:52
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Also all the flashing he'd do, which seems like lawsuits waiting to happen.
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Dec 12, 2019 04:29
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Dr. Flash.
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Dec 12, 2019 04:59
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MonsterEnvy posted:I don't think that would work for Mirio. Remember he can't overlap matter. He also can't see, and he wouldn't be able to like... get any tools in. So I don't know how he'd be good at the surgery at all, in fact he'd be loving awful at it.
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Dec 12, 2019 05:07
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