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It sure has meaning when you're playing with another player and you're both setting up tracks on opposite sides of the base and then whoops they're going in opposite directions.
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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I just checked. Yep, looks like this is doable as long as you keep in mind that the signals go on the right of the track in the direction of travel of the train.
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Dec 11, 2019 01:53
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Anytime you have two tracks next to each other running in opposite directions, it's either a right-hand or a left-hand system. Keeping the same system throughout your entire base makes things easier to build because you don't have to think about which side is which direction in this particular area, you just build it exactly the same as every other bit of track. Calling it "meaningless" is on par with calling a bus "meaningless" because gosh, it's actually just a bunch of individual belts.
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You know, I'm so glad you brought this up. Regardless of whether your bus is a left hand bus or a right hand bus, you always want to go in the direction of the arrows on the belts. 
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Dec 11, 2019 02:24
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The correct manner of drive is interweaved
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Half-wit posted:You know, I'm so glad you brought this up.  Actually, since Inserters pull from the nearest side of the belt, this is relevant because 
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Half-wit posted:I just hate all the talk that references RHD and LHD and never clearly identifies that regardless of where you want to place the signals, the signal goes on the RIGHT HAND SIDE of the track in the direction of the train's travel. I think it's all gone over your head
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Don't build your trains like this. E: right hand drive and left hand drive are meaningless. Cars always go forwards. Dr. Stab fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Dec 11, 2019 08:52
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Build your trains however you want. Behold a technically correct intersection. 
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Dec 11, 2019 13:10
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Half-wit posted:Build your trains however you want. H-H-H-HERESY!!!! But seriously, now I'm wondering how the throughput of that intersection compares to a 'normal' one with the trains on opposite sides. I know it's lower, but how much lower?
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Dec 11, 2019 13:19
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The entire central area is a single block, so you can't even have two trains going through it in the same direction on parallel tracks without one of them stopping and waiting.
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Dec 11, 2019 13:22
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Throughput....it's...it's not good, friend. 
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You can increase throughput by minimizing conflict points. You can minimize conflict points by choosing to group all rails with the same direction of travel together. When you group rails with the same direction of travel together, you have to choose between left hand drive and right hand drive.
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Dec 11, 2019 13:56
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Bhodi posted:LTN Quick how-to. It's a pet hate of mine in software (particularly some open source projects) where you can't even tell what the project IS or DOES because the documentation assumes you already know about what you're getting. I honest to god thought at first that the 'rail layer' in Fully Autmated Rail Layer meant 'a stratum of automated logic relating to rails' rather than 'this places rails automatically' because everything i could find about it only tells you how to get started. Anyway rant over, i've swerved into trying some transport tycoon style games because factorio rails gave me a real infrastructure-building itch and it's kind of amazing how many recent games there are that try to pick up where transport tycoon left off. Transport Fever 2's supposed to be released today (there's an SA thread about 1) so that could be a pretty good time for me to jump in
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Transport fever and Factorio are the two games I keep bouncing between to get my train game fix.
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The devs make the best mods Seriously, this is insane Reuploaded since I can't figure out how to embed a streamable here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4ZXeyp9nSo quote:These guys mine for you, based from their mining depot.
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Oddly enough the idea isn't new at all. https://mods.factorio.com/mods/judos/robotMiningSite
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Is it worth trying to retrofit an existing base layout into something that can scale up to a tiled-type megabase or just start from scratch having the layout in mind? I'm at the point on my current play though where I'm doing the whole have factories outside of the main bus that send the mats via train to the bus but the train layout is getting very spaghetti. I should convert everything over to the LTN mod but that might make things worse in the short term until I can get it all set. Also what should be the next step in playing. Right now I'm playing essentially a vanilla run with some mods like Factorissimo but I'd like a bit more of a challenge without going totally crazy.
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Your existing factory works and will continue to work, don't touch it, just divert some of its resources into making more machines for the next bigger base. One or two assemblers making rails, assembers, mining drills, pipes, etc all going into chests that will eventually fill up. Then you'll have a stockpile of entities whenever you need them to expand.
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diremonk posted:Is it worth trying to retrofit an existing base layout into something that can scale up to a tiled-type megabase or just start from scratch having the layout in mind? Pick a spot to start your new grid and lay it out, using existing systems outside the grid to supply its initial growth. Don’t tear out a supply chain until it is replicated and running cheerily on the grid. You could also download LTN and use it only on the grid, using traditional train routes to deliver goods to a handoff area where they are routed into the appropriate depots. Once your handoff is complete, all the torn-out equipment can be offloaded for sorting as the final handoff, then you can bulldoze that functionality too.
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One thing you can do if you're on top of biters and willing to put in the time is make a ton of stuff to bootstrap a new base in a huge train and build a huge train line in any one single direction. It seems unnecessary to start over and grind through all of the research again, but expanding from your existing base into a true megabase is going to leave you eternally chasing resource patches and breaking down/setting up miners - especially because most of your inner ring has been depleted already. In my current playthrough we just got done with this stage and are setting up a new base/defense up top and it's great. Just inside our new "starter area" there's a few hundred million of each resource. Move with a full solar or nuclear setup and when you get to the new base until you start smelting/assembling in machines you don't make any pollution. Nukes and a great combat suit are necessary to fight the biters and build the initial train, but your main base pollution cloud shrinks if you shut it down so that helps too. We left Kovarex + Power + Defenses with some repair packs in the old base, and figured it'd eventually fall to the biters, but the pollution got mostly inside the fences so it may hold forever, or at least until one of us dies & respawns down there to do some maintenance  Even without LTN you can rig it up to send things back & forth with logistics chests too if you have proper radar coverage.
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Dr. Stab posted:You can increase throughput by minimizing conflict points. You can minimize conflict points by choosing to group all rails with the same direction of travel together. When you group rails with the same direction of travel together, you have to choose between left hand drive and right hand drive. Simple solution - never have any intersections.
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Dirk the Average posted:Simple solution - never have any intersections. So instead of intersections, you just put train stops instead with cargo transferral inserters/belts? Could be interesting.
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Just one continuous fractal curve for your rails. On the subject of moving bases, I always thought it would be interesting to have a mod/scenario where you had to keep moving, perhaps as some kind of ribbon world where chunks fall off one edge of the map periodically, requiring you to continuously have to move everything in the other direction.
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Roflex posted:Just one continuous fractal curve for your rails. Reminds me of Outpost 2, an ancient RTS where in addition to everything else try to kill you there's a grey-goo style microbe that eats metal that follows your colony through the campaign Woop, it caught up, time to move!
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Bhodi posted:LTN Quick how-to. I just set up a quick babbies first test track on my fledgling base, plopped down the LTN depot, a provider station at a mining site, and a requester by my base, set the stuff like you said... and it's loving magic. This changes everything... god drat.. Thanks again for your awesome post that got me to try this out again.
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I don't think I could even play without LTN, squeak through, and long reach any more.
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:I don't think I could even play without LTN, squeak through, and long reach any more. That reminds me I need to install long reach. My last game was Krastorio which had it built in, and I'm really missing it so far on this game.
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God drat, Uranium Ammo takes a lot of uranium. I guess i need a few more outposts.
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Roflex posted:On the subject of moving bases, I always thought it would be interesting to have a mod/scenario where you had to keep moving, perhaps as some kind of ribbon world where chunks fall off one edge of the map periodically, requiring you to continuously have to move everything in the other direction. Have you tried Warptorio?
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Phactorio Phriday Phacts is out. It's about getting hurt, dying, and Steam Reviews.
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But yeah, that Mining Drones mod is pretty rad.   ht tps://i.imgur.com/ezxdlQT.mp4 e:(No forums, I don't want to auto-embed a huge video.)
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SubNat posted:But yeah, that Mining Drones mod is pretty rad. You gotta make it so we can have a Hand of Nod
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kidkissinger posted:You gotta make it so we can have a Hand of Nod What would it make/build? But yeah, I found some other people who were also working towards a tiberium mod, so I just squatted in and started helping them. There's some interest into making it a fullon CnC thing, but baby steps, tiberium alone is pretty complex to mod in in a way that's fun. (And not just a cheap, cheat-like print-resources-for-free thing.)
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One of the developers is... developing the game live on twitch  https://www.twitch.tv/rseding91
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Foehammer posted:Have you tried Warptorio? Also, a mod like Warehousing is really helpful because on each planet you'll want to extract as much resources as fast as possible. Occasionally you land on planets where there are no resources or biters make it impossible to get to them, so on the planets where you can mine you want to build a big buffer and not be bottlenecked by your smelting capacity.
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SubNat posted:But yeah, that Mining Drones mod is pretty rad. Oh hells yes
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It honestly annoys me way more than it should that 2xN is the best nuclear layout, instead of getting to do cool square designs. I'm sure there's a mod for it.
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I started a Krastorio/LTN game. First time doing a non-vanilla game, so things are progressing normally until I get to the point where I need Steel Plates. Then poo poo started going sideways because I needed to start mining that sand patch I was ignoring to make quartz -> silicone. Should I set up a full smelter line and put that poo poo on a bus? About what time should I abandon the bus for cells?
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Canuckistan posted:I started a Krastorio/LTN game. First time doing a non-vanilla game, so things are progressing normally until I get to the point where I need Steel Plates. Then poo poo started going sideways because I needed to start mining that sand patch I was ignoring to make quartz -> silicone. I launched a rocket still mostly using a (rather wide) bus. The things I had being delivered by LTN, other than raw resources, were copper plates, iron plates, quartz, silicon and glass. Some of the advanced electronic stuff was delivered around the factory solely by logistic bots (e.g. menarite processors) and some of the electronic components that you need a million of (pcb, processors, ram) had the bus supplemented with logistic bots as well.
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