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Kraftwerk posted:3. If the answers to the above are no and Corbyn resigns due to a potential loss - it was said that Rayner or Rebecca Long Bailey would succeed him in a leadership contest. What would these two ladies have that Corbyn doesn't? And how "left" are they compared to him? I am afraid Corbyn will feel he should be studiously neutral about the choice of his successor, but I really wish he would give someone a clear endorsement. It was his long history of activism and being Correct during Blairite rule that made the membership trust him enough to support him repeatedly despite all the propaganda. We do still need a leader we can trust not to be a windsock, and an endorsement would be helpful.
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So who's the next Tory leader going to be? Is this the fish man's time to shine? Could Patel take a run at it?
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^^^ I'm gonna say Javid I am so glad we're on the final stretch. This whole election period has been nerve wracking. It's my son's nursery Christmas party on Friday. It will be entertaining gauging the mood of the other parents to figure out if they're Tories or Labour. Maugrim fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Good luck UK. Good luck, Europe. Hope Labour wins. I was in Amsterdam during Thanksgiving and I even saw people on the street with signs for Labour.
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It's interesting that only the Express tomorrow has an explicitly anti-Labour front page, about the Ashworth recording. Most others have gone with the tightening of the polls, apart from the Mirror which has that damning interview with Jack Merritt's father and the Sun which just has a big pro-Boris splash. It's kinda weird, in 2017 we had 'Apologists for Terror' with 10+ pages of hate piled onto Corbyn and Abbott etc. the day before polls opened. Have they realised it doesn't work? More interested this time in turning out their vote? Oh dear me posted:I am afraid Corbyn will feel he should be studiously neutral about the choice of his successor, but I really wish he would give someone a clear endorsement. It was his long history of activism and being Correct during Blairite rule that made the membership trust him enough to support him repeatedly despite all the propaganda. We do still need a leader we can trust not to be a windsock, and an endorsement would be helpful. I can't imagine Big Jon not endorsing somebody. Especially if it means he gets to stay as shadow chancellor.
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Oh dear me posted:I am afraid Corbyn will feel he should be studiously neutral about the choice of his successor, but I really wish he would give someone a clear endorsement. It was his long history of activism and being Correct during Blairite rule that made the membership trust him enough to support him repeatedly despite all the propaganda. We do still need a leader we can trust not to be a windsock, and an endorsement would be helpful. Yeah this is what I'm feeling... It's scary to think that we'll all just "go back to normal" if Thursday turns into a rout. And even if it doesn't he's getting old. There needs to be an anointed successor. The idea that Blair's ghost could come back and posses the party would cripple me more than a loss this election. The existence of true mainstream socialist alternatives who have the chance to win power is about the only good thing to come out of this Trump-ridden neo-liberal hellworld that Thatcher and Reagan summoned upon our planet.
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jabby posted:
Yes it's this, telling people the polls are close pretty reliably increases turnout and that's going to make all the difference to the results for this one.
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Trin Tragula posted:Some Curated Seats To Watch For People Who Want To Figure Out Whether To Stay Up All Night I've said it before and I'll mention it again. Enfield North has a candidate who was parachuted in by the NEC/Unite after the local party had started their nomination process for candidate. The ground game this campaign has been really weak, probably because - on the back of a really strong local ground campaign - the Labour vote-share increased to a very healthy margin in 2017, while this time around, the NEC have taken a steaming dump on the local party. Basically, feel free to put Enfield North back in play, if you haven't already. /\ /\ /\ /\ Priti Patel would suffer from being: 1) a gods-damnable woman 2) an Indian-type person 3) even less personable than Boris Johnson or Michael Gove There is no way dementia-addled racists across the country are voting for anyone called Patel, regardless of how many disenfranchised groups she promises to exterminate.
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peanut- posted:Starmer has vanished off the face of the Earth in this election, which I assume is deliberate laying low to avoid alienating anyone prior to a leadership campaign. Several big names are remarkably quiet - Thornberry, Abbot, Starmer. I wonder if this is because they are looking to showcase 'new' talent? (Rayner, Long Bailey, Pidcock) Ed: Didn't someone itt say they'd been at a meeting of some sort with Starmer present and he was giving off good vibes? Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Isn't starmer a semi-reformed melt?
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He's a bit melty yes but willing to work with the leadership and extremely competent. I wouldn't want him as leader but I'm very happy with him in a shadow cabinet role.
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Lol even Toby young is calling them out https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/1204556501307838466?s=19
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I assume Thornberry and Abbot have been packed off into the same electoral liability containment zone as Jacob Rees-Mogg. Starmer's disappearance seems much more likely to be his own choice. He's in a weird position of being loyal enough to Corbyn that leftists don't hate him but also all the centrists loving love him.
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Extremely cool channel 4 asked him about labours anti-Semitism https://twitter.com/nytpolitics/status/1204533600537972736?s=19
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Is... is this the Independent's "endorsement"quote:How you vote is your choice, but we sympathise with those who will pick a party in an effort to deny Boris Johnson a majority https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/election-final-say-brexit-second-eu-referendum-nhs-a9240966.html
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peanut- posted:I assume Thornberry and Abbot have been packed off into the same electoral liability containment zone as Jacob Rees-Mogg. Starmer's disappearance seems much more likely to be his own choice. he also might be too Brexit related - leadership has very deliberately steered the conversation away largely. his presence could rerail it.
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Maugrim posted:^^^ I'm gonna say Javid it's loving exhausting, but at least you're not americans and don't have to do deal with an excruciating 2 year election cycle, because LEMME TELL YOU
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Oh dear me posted:I am afraid Corbyn will feel he should be studiously neutral about the choice of his successor, but I really wish he would give someone a clear endorsement. It was his long history of activism and being Correct during Blairite rule that made the membership trust him enough to support him repeatedly despite all the propaganda. We do still need a leader we can trust not to be a windsock, and an endorsement would be helpful. Don't worry about poo poo until you need to Just fight til you die
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Jose posted:Extremely cool channel 4 asked him about labours anti-Semitism does... does this mean that according to America, if you're not israeli and observant, you're not jewish? or if you're not israeli or observant?
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Coohoolin posted:does... does this mean that according to America, if you're not israeli and observant, you're not jewish? or if you're not israeli or observant? Charedim are anti-Semitic, it turns out.
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So if Johnson fails to secure enough MPs, does that mean Corbyn can form a minority government? I'm not super clear on the rules. Would the lib dems and Green party work with them in a coalition?
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Coohoolin posted:does... does this mean that according to America, if you're not israeli and observant, you're not jewish? or if you're not israeli or observant? there have been a couple of court cases about it, e.g. https://www.timesofisrael.com/supreme-court-rejects-israeli-nationality-status/ quote:AP — Israel’s population registry lists a slew of “nationalities” and ethnicities, among them Jew, Arab, Druse and more. But one word is conspicuously absent from the list: Israeli.
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TulliusCicero posted:So if Johnson fails to secure enough MPs, does that mean Corbyn can form a minority government? Largest party gets first shot at forming a minority gov. I think if they fail then the other parties get to have a go? Then if nobody can manage it, it's another election?
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Chuka Umana posted:It's just like Christmas except you don't know if you're getting a 8k tv or a kick in the nuts Not the most compelling example if you're posting in the thread Ms Adequate posts in 
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Cefte posted:this is a closer alignment to israel, where 'israeli' isn't an internally valid nationality, because that would blur the edge between 'jewish' and 'israeli' in a way that might validate the existence of palestinians lmao i don't know why i'm surprised but that is beyond the loving pale, a literal ethnostate you know how i sometimes go on sociology rants about nationhood characteristics? this is a country that has literally outlawed civic nationhood identifiers, to purposefully boost ethnic ones. it's blood, faith, and soil.
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WhatEvil posted:Largest party gets first shot at forming a minority gov. I think if they fail then the other parties get to have a go? Then if nobody can manage it, it's another election? Yeah if in the very likely event no one is willing to work with Joris to get it over the line, it's Labour's turn to form a govt. Hung parliament or better is Good For Corbyn. Coohoolin posted:you know how i sometimes go on sociology rants about nationhood characteristics? this is a country that has literally outlawed civic nationhood identifiers, to purposefully boost ethnic ones. it's blood, faith, and soil. I'm aware I've taken the piss out of you in the past so please take this in good spirit as it is meant: aren't you a Scots Nationalist?
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Bundy posted:Yeah if in the very likely event no one is willing to work with Joris to get it over the line, my god is that swinsons music i hear???
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Communist Thoughts posted:my god is that swinsons music i hear??? They won't have the numbers. e: like, polling etc but Labour gains on the remain side have been at the cost of Lib Dem support, only gains Lib Dems will get will be places like Esher where it's centre right Tories rather than full frothing fash racist. e: Oh and lol: https://twitter.com/centrist_phone/status/1204569918060027904?s=20 NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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STOP GETTING ME INTOXICATED ON HOPE
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Chuka Umana posted:STOP GETTING ME INTOXICATED ON HOPE
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I'm gonna have to dig out all my best buttmetal to keep myself going on thursday I think.
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any point in me voting tactically in edinburgh north? its close between SNP then Labour then Cons, i'm of two minds since i dont want the cons in but i figure if the cons split anyone its gonna be the SNP so labour might be a better bet
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HUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO HOPE Also I'm listening to the Jews podcast episode and it's very good, appreciating the contributors a lot and Nate's a bangin' guest. I've stanned the Praxcast from the start but it's really put some bangers out lately  e; Although shocking that you left out Phoenician as a Semitic language. Carthage will be avenged! Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:any point in me voting tactically in edinburgh north? its close between SNP then Labour then Cons, i'm of two minds since i dont want the cons in but i figure if the cons split anyone its gonna be the SNP so labour might be a better bet Vote Labour. 2019. GE2019.
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Can we change the title of this thread to just Vote Labour
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